Malcolm Butler sort of talks about his SB benching

[Wozzy]

Bill's classy and seems like he'll be taking it to grave. Malcolm hasn't said anything either so it would seem like he's content to not let it out which should tell you something.

Malcolm was crying on the sideline… he knew he fcked up. A tough guy doesn’t cry because someone hurt his feelings, he cries because he let his teammates down.

The fact he was complimentary of Bill after the initial anger faded says everything.

 

[fnordcircle]

A tough guy doesn’t cry because someone hurt his feelings,

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[Hyped]

At this point, the horse is now glue....

 

[SlowGettingUp]

I can’t find this quote anywhere. And if this was true I can’t see him not being made a game time inactive. He also was out there on special teams. I also don't think guys like Amendola would have been as bitter toward BB for this move as he is if that were true.

James Harrison says he doesn't know, and believes it was performance-related.

This post from Reddit 4 years ago seems plausible to me:

 

[sb1]

James Harrison says he doesn't know, and believes it was performance-related.

This post from Reddit 4 years ago seems plausible to me:

Oh yeah I believe it was disciplinary. Although the "personal" comment from Kraft makes me think it was done out of spite as well. I don't buy the "mental breakdown" excuse otherwise he would have been a gameday inactive and not dressed at all.

The problem is there's no guarantee you'll ever get back to the Super Bowl. They did but that wasn't a guarantee at the time. That's not the game to be sending a message like that to your team. Better to just play him, win and then tell him to clean out his locker when he's back.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Why is it when dude comes out and says something, people then go ahead and say “Oh well I don’t believe that! It had to be X!”…I get that people want to know what happened but then when he does say something, it’s not good enough? Or the right answer? Cmon…whatever answer/reason/cop out they say will never satisfy some….

 

[signbabybrady]

Oh yeah I believe it was disciplinary. Although the "personal" comment from Kraft makes me think it was done out of spite as well. I don't buy the "mental breakdown" excuse otherwise he would have been a gameday inactive and not dressed at all.

The problem is there's no guarantee you'll ever get back to the Super Bowl. They did but that wasn't a guarantee at the time. That's not the game to be sending a message like that to your team. Better to just play him, win and then tell him to clean out his locker when he's back.

I think you're to focused on the word "personal" and using some of the wild theories that have been suggested to make it like Kraft is some how adding credence to them. I think all Kraft meant by personal was that Bill and Malcolm kept it between themselves.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why is it when dude comes out and says something, people then go ahead and say “Oh well I don’t believe that! It had to be X!”…I get that people want to know what happened but then when he does say something, it’s not good enough? Or the right answer? Cmon…whatever answer/reason/cop out they say will never satisfy some….

Yep. We shouldn't spin ourselves up over it but we do.

Everyone's own belief isn't going to change unless Malcolm AND BB comment and are aligned on what happened and why.

That'll be the closest thing to facts and closure we get on this issue.

 

[bresna]

Again doesn't answer my question why Bob would make up that it was something personal with Bill that kept Butler on the bench.

Also the record shows Brady won a Super Bowl without Bill and your hoodied hero has a .426 w-l record post Brady. That's absolutely pathetic.

Read it and weep.

Brady's TB Super Bowl has an *. Teams were playing week after week without the starters due to Covid quarantines. I think the Broncos had to play a game without an actual QB on the roster. Why people act like Brady's TB Super Bowl was somehow his greatest performance is a mystery to me.

Cam Newton could have won in TB that year... oh wait, he got Covid and had to sit too.

 

[Dragda]

He wore a West Point hoodie to practice

 

[Ring 6]

James Harrison says he doesn't know, and believes it was performance-related.

This post from Reddit 4 years ago seems plausible to me:

That is exactly what I have always thought happened, with one addition.

I think the game plan called for the infamous 4 safety base. We had used it against the Chiefs and similar teams. It was innovative but never too successful. The idea to be stronger vs the run than nickel base, and 2 TE sets.
So it’s pretty easy to see that Butler for reasons mentioned fell behind Rowe on the depth chart. That meant CB3 was going to have a very small role. I think bademosi played about a dozen snaps. So cb3 is essentially you aren’t playing today, and that let to the blowup.

I mean people can really think if they want that for no particular reason the greatest HC of all time, just decided in a Sb to not play his best players.
But a more logical scenario is he was, as he admitted, not mentally into the game plan and preparation, so he was demoted behind Rowe (not a big jump based upon how they had been playing) and freaked out. To think a 65 year old HC with over 40 years experienced would simply not realize a player could help is more likely than a kid messing up preparation then flipping out when told would take a lot of imagination or bias.

 

[sb1]

That is exactly what I have always thought happened, with one addition.

I think the game plan called for the infamous 4 safety base. We had used it against the Chiefs and similar teams. It was innovative but never too successful. The idea to be stronger vs the run than nickel base, and 2 TE sets.
So it’s pretty easy to see that Butler for reasons mentioned fell behind Rowe on the depth chart. That meant CB3 was going to have a very small role. I think bademosi played about a dozen snaps. So cb3 is essentially you aren’t playing today, and that let to the blowup.

I mean people can really think if they want that for no particular reason the greatest HC of all time, just decided in a Sb to not play his best players.
But a more logical scenario is he was, as he admitted, not mentally into the game plan and preparation, so he was demoted behind Rowe (not a big jump based upon how they had been playing) and freaked out. To think a 65 year old HC with over 40 years experienced would simply not realize a player could help is more likely than a kid messing up preparation then flipping out when told would take a lot of imagination or bias.

"Not football related"

 

[SlowGettingUp]

"Not football related"

Of course the initial dispute over a reduced role could have been football related, but then perhaps Butler did something unforgivable - like the rumor that's been floating around that he put his hands on Steve Belichick.

 

[signbabybrady]

"Not football related"

I stand corrected those quotes are worse than I remembered. Seems as though Butler went further over the line than I thought.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I’ll say this…

If Butler put hands on a coach, any coach, the decision was warranted.

It wouldn’t matter to me if it had been Patricia, or anyone else.

Can’t do that.

That said…the story is much better if it’s “Malcolm got mad at Bill and banged Linda Holiday”.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Brady's TB Super Bowl has an *. Teams were playing week after week without the starters due to Covid quarantines. I think the Broncos had to play a game without an actual QB on the roster. Why people act like Brady's TB Super Bowl was somehow his greatest performance is a mystery to me.

Cam Newton could have won in TB that year... oh wait, he got Covid and had to sit too.

They did. And the reason why the NFL refused to accommodate them when they did accommodate other teams is that the Donkey QBs made, quite fittingly, a dumbass decision.

The Broncos played without a QB because of the worst Covid plan ever

The infamous “no QB game” happened for the stupidest reason.

www.sbnation.com

 

[Wozzy]

Someone point to a time after 2016 when Butler was good?

You can’t, he fell off the cliff after 2016.

Laughable…

 

[Water Boy]

I think Bill let Jordon help with the defensive game plan. Oh wait, my bad. She was still in diapers at that point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think Bill let Jordon help with the defensive game plan. Oh wait, my bad. She was still in diapers at that point.

Reality is she was watching Hannah Montana by then and stopped playing with Barbies.

 

[lancerman]

I’ll say this…

If Butler put hands on a coach, any coach, the decision was warranted.

It wouldn’t matter to me if it had been Patricia, or anyone else.

Can’t do that.

That said…the story is much better if it’s “Malcolm got mad at Bill and banged Linda Holiday”.

The problem is that the coach in question confronted Butler over a personal matter and that in itself was highly unprofessional and would make said coach look bad for escalating an off field issue into an on field problem with a player.

It's one of those things where everyone comes out looking bad and damaged after it so nobody has an incentive to put the other on blast. It's been 8 years at this point so it's spilled milk now.