Challenge the Bills

[Real fan 02]

Even in Bronco losses Nix made plays that were sharp. He proved that he is the guy like Maye did.

Denver hung in the Bills playoff game 7 - 13 until late in the 3rd quarter. Nix had a bad game. It happens. Payton is a proven offensive mind and I like his chances with Nix.

The AFCS is a dumpster fire.

Houston needs to stay healthy and theyll be a force to deal with.

Agreed. I just don't see any teams from the playoffs thar are going to suprise. Chargers are a tease.. Herbert had plateau, he's been good not great, I believe like you mentioned Payton is a excellent offensive mind.. but how long before that runs thin? He's known to be a my way, or the highway type of coach.

That's what got him traded from NO essentially. Nix seems like he's done what he's being asked to do in Paytons offense. He will likely be a solid QB but not a top 10 QB IMO. Drake has the talent traits, and characteristics that can allow him to be become great. He was the most impressive out of all the rookies as he had absolutely dog **** to deal with from his coaching OL, to his weapons and still had 15 TDs and had a 9 yard average rushing for a QB.. if you think about that.

Your right health and availability is essential for teams to have opportunities to meet thier possible potentials. Everyone is saying we are rebuilding team and I think that pisses vrabel off. When we whip some asses then it will change.

 

[Real fan 02]

Most definitely it was pretty much a summary of the season.. things were much worse than we had initially realized as fans.

The Colt game sticks out as one that was simply handed away. Based on the draft, I'm now happy about losing that game, but I agree 100% with your point

 

[TommyD4207]

I like the Texans and the Broncos will be dangerous if Nix keeps playing well in Paytons offense.

I keep waiting for Jackson to suffer the big hit. He rushes too much for my liking.

Broncos will miss the playoffs this year. Sean Payton had Drew Brees for 14 years (Bo Nix is no Drew Brees), missed the playoffs 5 times, and got out of the divisional round all of one (1) time after winning the Super Bowl in 2009. Lost to the Bears his first year in the NFCCG, followed that up with a 7-9 year, and an 8-8 year. Went 7-9 four out of 5 years from 2012-2016.

Payton's a good coach, but his reputation and history is pretty spotty. Drew Brees was one of the best to ever lace-em-up, and Payton went 9-8 in the playoffs there. Lots of losing seasons. Broncos would be my first candidate to fall back to the pack this year, for sure. They beat 2 teams with a winning record last year, the 10-7 Bucs (in a game the Bucs were famously screwed on) and the last game of the year, when KC played the waterboy and a couple of dudes from the stands.

 

[TommyD4207]

Most definitely it was pretty much a summary of the season.. things were much worse than we had initially realized as fans.

I keep saying, in retrospect, they were lucky to win 4 games. That was a 1 win team that lucked their way into 4 wins.
That's why I'm not ZOMGPLAYOFFS until I see something substantive on the field.

 

[TheRainMaker]

It's actually quite hard to believe the Pats missing the playoffs again with the players and coaches added this offseason. The AFC is absolute trash. This isn't the late 90's or the early 2000's. Unless there are major injuries and draft/FA busts, we should expect at least 9 wins in 2025. Anything below that is straight up low expectations.

 

[Nunchucks]

This has probably already been said, but it depends on Maye. If he plays like we think he could, then it's possible the patriots compete with the Bills. If he plays inconsistently, fumbles the ball too many times and throws bad interceptions. They have no chance

 

[TheRainMaker]

This has probably already been said, but it depends on Maye. If he plays like we think he could, then it's possible the patriots compete with the Bills. If he plays inconsistently, fumbles the ball too many times and throws bad interceptions. They have no chance

Maye is the x factor. The Pats roster was already better pre draft than the Bills. If Maye has a big year, the Bills are going to sweat.

 

[JohnJH]

We are not the Bills match. Simply because they have Josh Allen and we don't. I like Maye, but Maye isn't Josh Allen. Maybe he will prove to be at that level in the future. For now that gap is too big and a really good QB is the great equalizer. I think we can compete with them, but they are still better.

That being said, as was pointed out by other posters, all they've done with their Allen window is find ways to lay down for Mahomes and the Chiefs. I think either they need new management, a new coach or to really do something different with their roster make up. Maybe all three... Cause what they are doing hasn't been working. And Allen deserves his share of the blame.

I'm going to call my shot now and state the The Bills window has closed. If Maye stays healthy, continues to progress, and the team puts the talent required around him and in the other two phases of the game, the Patriots will be on an upward trajectory. The Bills had the last 5 years to get to and win a SB. They've yet to do so.

 

[Triumph]

Broncos will miss the playoffs this year. Sean Payton had Drew Brees for 14 years (Bo Nix is no Drew Brees), missed the playoffs 5 times, and got out of the divisional round all of one (1) time after winning the Super Bowl in 2009. Lost to the Bears his first year in the NFCCG, followed that up with a 7-9 year, and an 8-8 year. Went 7-9 four out of 5 years from 2012-2016.

Payton's a good coach, but his reputation and history is pretty spotty. Drew Brees was one of the best to ever lace-em-up, and Payton went 9-8 in the playoffs there. Lots of losing seasons. Broncos would be my first candidate to fall back to the pack this year, for sure. They beat 2 teams with a winning record last year, the 10-7 Bucs (in a game the Bucs were famously screwed on) and the last game of the year, when KC played the waterboy and a couple of dudes from the stands.

A successful program takes a lot more than just coaching. The Saints went through cap hell due to mismanagement.

Payton is a hell of an offensive HC. His offenses by season.

06 - 5th
07 - 12th
08 - 1st
09 - 1st
10 - 11th
11 - 2nd
12 - Suspended for the head hunting thing IIRC.
13 -10th
14 - 9th
15 - 8th
16 - 2nd
17 - 4th
18 - 3rd
19 - 3rd
20 - 5th
21 - 19th Jameis Crablegs Winston

If youd like to talk getting in the shorts. Recall the Rams vs the Saints in the 2018 postseason when the Saints got screwed by the Refs in the NFCC. That was BS. The Saints would have faced the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Bo Nix is not Brees, but the game has changed. Mobile QBs are en vogue in todays NFL.

 

[BobDigital]

While it is unlikely we challenge the Bills it isn't outside the realm of possibility.

This patriots team has a huge range of potential. There is an actual possibility they compete for a super bowl birth, which sounds a little silly as so much needs to go right, but that is their ceiling.

This D if they come together and stay healthy can be top 5 in the league. Their secondary has a chance to be really scary. If Digger returns to form and Davis can be the #2 CB we hope we hope he can this D becomes hard to pass on. A healthy Barmore along with Milton could cause absolute havoc with the other players we have on the line. There is quality depth here we can just rotate and keep fresh. Our LBs will make things very hard too. The Spillaine signing is not being talked about enough. Gibbons/Ellis along side him will make our LB group very good. There is simply no weak lace to attack this D.

It may not be strong in every spot but it is weak ko where. If it did have a weakness maybe it be edge, but even there they aren't bad.

I could see this D sporting 4-5 pro bowlers and maybe 2 all pros. They probably won't but they could come close. That's an elite D.

On offense there are issues still on the OL but they could be above average by years end. Maybe even slightly above.

Their RBs spot is much more dynamic. If Diggs comes back as 90% of his prime he is a legit threat. Williams could into a very solid #2. Hunter Henry being your 3rd best pass catching option is actually pretty good if that is where he falls. They may not have absolutely top tier weapons but that cast could be upper end by a reasonable margin of things go right.

Then it all comes down to Maye. If he comes on like we hope watch out. The ceiling is very unlikely to be reached but realistically it's as high as any AFC team.

 

[Triumph]

I'm going to call my shot now and state the The Bills window has closed. If Maye stays healthy, continues to progress, and the team puts the talent required around him and in the other two phases of the game, the Patriots will be on an upward trajectory. The Bills had the last 5 years to get to and win a SB. They've yet to do so.

Its kind of sad.

Even if the Bills beat the Chiefs in last seasons AFCC the Eagles would have crushed them in the SB. Time is running out. Maybe it takes a losing season for a better draft slot in a loaded draft to get the Bills a Lombardi.

 

[Real fan 02]

A successful program takes a lot more than just coaching. The Saints went through cap hell due to mismanagement.

Payton is a hell of an offensive HC. His offenses by season.

06 - 5th
07 - 12th
08 - 1st
09 - 1st
10 - 11th
11 - 2nd
12 - Suspended for the head hunting thing IIRC.
13 -10th
14 - 9th
15 - 8th
16 - 2nd
17 - 4th
18 - 3rd
19 - 3rd
20 - 5th
21 - 19th Jameis Crablegs Winston

If youd like to talk getting in the shorts. Recall the Rams vs the Saints in the 2018 postseason when the Saints got screwed by the Refs in the NFCC. That was BS. The Saints would have faced the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Bo Nix is not Brees, but the game has changed. Mobile QBs are en vogue in todays NFL.

You make good points. But Payton comes with a expiration date on him.. he's been known to have the my way or the highway type mentality and that got him shipped out of NO.. IMO he underchieved with brees they should have had alot more than 1 SB.. he had some historical offensive years..

Nix is s solid QB but there is nothing special about his game. As I've said last seasons post season contenders not named KC, Baltimore or Bills aren't sneaking up on anyone.

 

[Ring 6]

You make good points. But Payton comes with a expiration date on him.. he's been known to have the my way or the highway type mentality and that got him shipped out of NO.. IMO he underchieved with brees they should have had alot more than 1 SB.. he had some historical offensive years..

Nix is s solid QB but there is nothing special about his game. As I've said last seasons post season contenders not named KC, Baltimore or Bills aren't sneaking up on anyone.

He was in NO for 16 years. He chose to leave, he wasn’t “shipped out”.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

"Once they step in between those white lines, there's nothing I can do for them" - Jerod Mayo

Hot take here maybe but I see that quote being Mayo incapable of separating himself as a player from himself as a coach. I think his intent there was humility and speaking from a players' perspective of owning up to things even if they're not your fault and instead he shifted the blame to the players. Just speaks to his complete inexperience not just in Xs and Os but in public speaking too

 

[Real fan 02]

He was in NO for 16 years. He chose to leave, he wasn’t “shipped out”.

He was traded becuase he wanted a new coaching opportunity and the Saints wanted to go in a different direction as well. He initially stepped down citing family and health reasons. So in theory he was traded.. what does that mean... or shipped out can't be said for coaches? Doc rivers was shipped out too... from the C's..

 

[JohnJH]

Its kind of sad.

Even if the Bills beat the Chiefs in last seasons AFCC the Eagles would have crushed them in the SB. Time is running out. Maybe it takes a losing season for a better draft slot in a loaded draft to get the Bills a Lombardi.

Perhaps it might. Perhaps they're done regardless. We'll find out eventually.

 

[Triumph]

You make good points. But Payton comes with a expiration date on him.. he's been known to have the my way or the highway type mentality and that got him shipped out of NO.. IMO he underchieved with brees they should have had alot more than 1 SB..

Then you have Tomlin who won 1 Super Bowl with Ben, but he is considered a great HC.

 

[Real fan 02]

Then you have Tomlin who won 1 Super Bowl with Ben, but he is considered a great HC.

He's never had a losing season... 2 superbowls with ben.

 

[Triumph]

He's never had a losing season... 2 superbowls with ben.

Only 1 SB win

 

[Real fan 02]

Only 1 SB win

Your right I was thinking about 06.. he took over in 06.. after Bill Cowher retired.