Draft day 2: reset

[One-If-By-Sea]

A nice commentary on a 3 month long debate. To be fair to me though, I've always felt that, of all the picks, 38 was the best opportunity to go BPA, which is precisely why I wanted to go LT at 4.

Fair to you?? What? What? Noone is fair to anyone on the PatsFans, but we have to be fair to Manxman?? LOL

Did you ever watch Monty Python? Fair to Manxman - here comes the King! Fair to Manxman - here comes the King!

 

[Ring 6]

If Howard's there in the 4th gotta take him.

No. We don’t need to waste a 4th round pick on a 3rd qb.
You can throw a blanket over every qb from round 2 to round 7 and all have an equal, minute, chance at success. Grab one in the 7th or UDFA.
Use the 4th on someone who can get on the field.

 

[gobesmug]

With the exception of gronk, none of those recievers were elite. None were in the class of moss, chase, rice l fitzgerald etc. plus if you have a great line it gives the qb more time to find his wrs.

And none of their olinemen were in the class of Joe Thomas, John Hannah or Jonathan Ogden with their superbowl wins. The closest we had during Brady's career was Logan Mankins, and won zero superbowls during that time.

Julian Edelman is second only to Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the playoffs so I think it's disrespectful to not consider him elite in the playoffs.

Corey Dillon was a top 3 RB that season, so yes he was elite.

Last year we didn't have anyone that remotely was as good as Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, Danny Amendola, or Julian Edelman.

Wanting to have both a good offensive line and good WRs should be a no brainer. To only want a good oline with trash at the WR spot is pointless. You need time to throw it and you need guys that can get open and catch.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have Scourton on my list as well, I think he was misused at A&M last season, and if they have him drop some weight and go back to a pure edge role he will be first round value for them.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I disagree. Either way would be a train wreck. Also super unrealistic as it's not an out of shape fan we are talking about but an elite athlete whose skills are slightly worse.

But that would actually make for possible entertainment value for the other football league. Make it to where you must play one out of shape fan at one starting position for 1 series.

Would be interesting to see but I think somewhere on offense would be easier to overcome then someone on defense. You need all 11 defenders to stop an offense.

Think about it this way. If we were WR3 with Moss and Welker, I think Brady would be able to get away with it. If we were anywhere on the line, with the same setup, then it'd be a train wreck, as we'd be a turnstile, and Brady would have less than 1.5s time to throw.

 

[manxman2601]

Fair to you?? What? What? Noone is fair to anyone on the PatsFans, but we have to be fair to Manxman?? LOL

Did you ever watch Monty Python? Fair to Manxman - here comes the King! Fair to Manxman - here comes the King!

of course you have to be fair to me Sillius Soddus!

 

[manxman2601]

I have Scourton on my list as well, I think he was misused at A&M last season, and if they have him drop some weight and go back to a pure edge role he will be first round value for them.

He’s already dropped that weight and now matches what he was at Purdue where he was much more productive.

 

[Jim Beankie]

that was my initial reaction to Nick. But when you have 4 ****ing 35 sped, you have the ability to make up a LOT of ground. Devon McCourty had to learn how to play the position on the run and Nick will too. That's where the "development" and Patience" part comes in. He might not be the ideal FS THIS season, but long term, he is everything we would hope for at a position of need.

FYI, Devin McCourty is one of the fastest Patriots in history. Prob can count on 1 hand Pats who've gone over 22mph as a ball carrier in pads in a game. Heck maybe 1 finger. The 4.48 40 didn't tell the whole story.

 

[manxman2601]

NM

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

No. We don’t need to waste a 4th round pick on a 3rd qb.
You can throw a blanket over every qb from round 2 to round 7 and all have an equal, minute, chance at success. Grab one in the 7th or UDFA.
Use the 4th on someone who can get on the field.

Grab my binky Kurtis Rourke in the 7th. 6'4", most accurate passer in the NCAA or nearly so, seemed immobile because he played the whole year on a torn ACL, then played with a splint on the thumb on his throwing hand after the nail was ripped off. Not a cannon arm, but a worker. Tough. Clutch. Leader. Makes few mistakes. Knows his limitations and plays to his strengths.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[gobesmug]

Think about it this way. If we were WR3 with Moss and Welker, I think Brady would be able to get away with it. If we were anywhere on the line, with the same setup, then it'd be a train wreck, as we'd be a turnstile, and Brady would have less than 1.5s time to throw.

Better question, would you rather have the oline from 2007 with Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Dan Coppen, Stephen Neal and Nick Kazcur to pair with last years WR Corp? Or have the 2007 WRs of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stalworth and Jabar Gaffney but with last years oline?

Makes you realize how great that 2007 team was. Damn injuries and the helmet catch for ruining the great season ever

 

[Jim Beankie]

And none of their olinemen were in the class of Joe Thomas, John Hannah or Jonathan Ogden with their superbowl wins. The closest we had during Brady's career was Logan Mankins, and won zero superbowls during that time.

Julian Edelman is second only to Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the playoffs so I think it's disrespectful to not consider him elite in the playoffs.

Corey Dillon was a top 3 RB that season, so yes he was elite.

Last year we didn't have anyone that remotely was as good as Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, Danny Amendola, or Julian Edelman.

Wanting to have both a good offensive line and good WRs should be a no brainer. To only want a good oline with trash at the WR spot is pointless. You need time to throw it and you need guys that can get open and catch.

Demario Douglas played well last year - dude had 4th best separation out of all WRs (4yds with 76% catch%). I don't think any of the 5 you mentioned had 4yds of separation in any season... heck only Amedola had a season with the Pats with better Catch%, and that was with only 29 targets.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Better question, would you rather have the oline from 2007 with Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Dan Coppen, Stephen Neal and Nick Kazcur to pair with last years WR Corp? Or have the 2007 WRs of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stalworth and Jabar Gaffney but with last years oline?

Makes you realize how great that 2007 team was. Damn injuries and the helmet catch for ruining the great season ever

Which QB (and how many years of experience)?

Great question, though.

 

[Brotherblues]

And none of their olinemen were in the class of Joe Thomas, John Hannah or Jonathan Ogden with their superbowl wins. The closest we had during Brady's career was Logan Mankins, and won zero superbowls during that time.

Julian Edelman is second only to Jerry Rice in yards and receptions in the playoffs so I think it's disrespectful to not consider him elite in the playoffs.

Corey Dillon was a top 3 RB that season, so yes he was elite.

Last year we didn't have anyone that remotely was as good as Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, Danny Amendola, or Julian Edelman.

Wanting to have both a good offensive line and good WRs should be a no brainer. To only want a good oline with trash at the WR spot is pointless. You need time to throw it and you need guys that can get open and catch.

Yeah I don't understand why wanting to upgrade the WR room gets you called names.

There are almost 100 starting WRs in the NFL. You could argue nobody on the Pats roster was one of the top 100 WRs in the entire league last year. Think about that. It's insanity. Nobody is saying we need to have prime Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss. We have a critical deficiency that needs serious action. Yet too often calls for addressing it are met with namecalling and derisive comments like "shiny hood ornament." Makes no sense.

 

[Grogan14]

Grab my binky Kurtis Rourke in the 7th. 6'4", most accurate passer in the NCAA or nearly so, seemed immobile because he played the whole year on a torn ACL, then played with a splint on the thumb on his throwing hand after the nail was ripped off. Not a cannon arm, but a worker. Tough. Clutch. Leader. Makes few mistakes. Knows his limitations and plays to his strengths.

Sounds like a taller Bailey Zappe

 

[Mcp1982]

Grab my binky Kurtis Rourke in the 7th. 6'4", most accurate passer in the NCAA or nearly so, seemed immobile because he played the whole year on a torn ACL, then played with a splint on the thumb on his throwing hand after the nail was ripped off. Not a cannon arm, but a worker. Tough. Clutch. Leader. Makes few mistakes. Knows his limitations and plays to his strengths.

As an IU grad im on board with this. Made to be a quality backup QB in NFL

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’m honestly good dumping Peppers AND Dugger if the cap situation would allow it. Pep was a moron and I won’t forget it, Dugger has just plain sucked out loud. Awful contract.

I'm not giving up on Dugger yet. He was borderline ProBowl 2021-2023. Last year he had a high ankle sprain and the medical staff screwed up on his diagnosis. Pep is a horrible DC.

With that said he'll be 30 at the start of next season. If he gets hurt again or performs poorly he'll need to be moved.

Peppers is meh.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Williams and Barmore have a lot of money invested into the position. Both making over $20M per year. The Pats need to use their resources on positions of need. Using a 2nd round pick on a DT wouldn't be wise.

Sure it would if the DT is on a rookie deal.

 

[Real fan 02]

Far from a fierce unit, IMO. Their run defense on the interior DL is bad. Their coverage at LB is terrible. They look to be worst in the league or close to it in those areas. Their EDGE play looks to be very weak too because Landry doesn't win 1-on-1 reps anymore and any wins White gives you off the edge he gives back by being allergic to setting the edge and keeping QBs in the pocket. Chaisson has good rush skills, but he's a situational player and already being so weak vs the run at DT will make it tough to play him on the edge on running downs for that rush.

The interior pass rush definitely projects to be a strength and force the ball out quickly, but that generally leads to QBs having to throw it quick - short and over the middle where they'll be throwing against our LB and S coverage which is all terrible. It's not a very complimentary unit right now.

Your argument is Williams, Barmore, white and Tonga won't be problematic for OLs??? Spillane is one the best instinctively good LBs in the game.. and middle of the field is where they are going to have no choice but to throw.. that's what you want.. Dugger and peppers are excellent 8-10 yards around the LOS.. the roster right now if they had to play a game today is leaps and bounds better on defense. They have the chance when this roster is complete to be a very fierce front 7. Every teams front 7 ain't gonna have 7 all pros.