Vrable's draft record

[Real fan 02]

Bad drafting is undefeated in firing coaches and GM's. Vrabel's front office from 2020-2023 had brutal drafts. Jon Robinson started out hot, then traded AJ Brown for whatever reason. Ownership was clearly okay with it or else they would've blocked it. But of course, there needs to be a scapegoat when it backfires and let Robinson go after his 3rd straight bad draft from 2020-2022. Keeping Brown would've helped disguise those poor drafts.

In the early 2010s.. we were hitting on draft picks.. McCourty, spikes, Hightower, solder, white, Jones, Malcom brown was even serviceable for a few seasons.. as you perfectly stated even the legendary bill him couldn't outlast bad drafting.

 

[TheRainMaker]

In the early 2010s.. we were hitting on draft picks.. McCourty, spikes, Hightower, solder, white, Jones, Malcom brown was even serviceable for a few seasons.. as you perfectly stated even the legendary bill him couldn't outlast bad drafting.

Nobody survives it. Previous players you drafted help it get swept under the rug, but it always shows up at some point - especially when key players leave.

The most recent team that was on the verge of multiple Super Bowls was the Seahawks. They just couldn't build around Wilson in that short window they had. No defense can sustain the success they had. Once they lost Lynch, it was over.

But the 2000's Rams are also the last best example. Their core was the best in the league, but their GM completely ruined their team. The 2001 Super Bowl shouldn't have been the last meeting between them and the Pats. Drafting Trung Candidate was the beginning of the end for the Rams potential dominance in the NFC. The personnel moves continued to get worse after that.

 

[Real fan 02]

Nobody survives it. Previous players you drafted help it get swept under the rug, but it always shows up at some point - especially when key players leave.

The most recent team that was on the verge of multiple Super Bowls was the Seahawks. They just couldn't build around Wilson in that short window they had. No defense can sustain the success they had. Once they lost Lynch, it was over.

But the 2000's Rams are also the last best example. Their core was the best in the league, but their GM completely ruined their team. The 2001 Super Bowl shouldn't have been the last meeting between them and the Pats. Drafting Trung Candidate was the beginning of the end for the Rams potential dominance in the NFC. The personnel moves continued to get worse after that.

Yes. On the Hawks per say.. the defense started to get injured especially to guys like chancellor and Thomas.. Lynch being a first round pick of Buffalo.. i saw none of what he eventually became when he was traded to the hawks.. guy just went to another level...without them that legion of boom wasn't the same. But your right. Once the drafting starts to fade in any organization it falls back on the GM.

Specifically us.. we been like a hamster spinning in the wheel since goat left.. saw some false hope in 2021 making a play off Berth.. we have Jennings, Dugger, rham, Barmore, owmenu, Drake, gonzo, Schooler home grown drafted players since 2020 that I'd say are part of the present/future. Am I missing anyone?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Except in small windows just about everyone's drafting sucks. People's ideas of how good teams should be drafting don't match actual success rates.

I think it's partly unrealistic expectations. If you go back and look, almost every team screws up at least one of its first three picks, every single year. Ironically, the few counterexamples I can think of to this include the 2017(!) Saints, who picked Marshon Lattimore, Ryan Ramczyk, and Marcus Williams, and the 2000(!) JEST, who took Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, and Chad Pennington.

 

[Lansdowne]

Kolton Miller is 29 and would be a stop gap..

29 isn't old for a LT, many of the best ones play to age 35 or more. Trent Williams is one of the elite LT in the NFL and is entering his age 37 season. Miller isn't elite but he's a top 10-15 guy at the position. I think he'd be more than just a stop gap. I suggested free agent DJ Humphries earlier, he's more of a stopgap because we have to see if he can return to his pre-2023 ACL injury form. Trade for Miller and extend him and LT is sorted for at least Maye's rookie contract.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Lynch being a first round pick of Buffalo.. i saw none of what he eventually became when he was traded to the hawks.. guy just went to another level...

Me neither. He was pretty irrelevant in Buffalo, but I agree he flipped a switch when he got traded to the Seahawks. I do remember him wanting out of Buffalo the day they drafted him, so maybe he was dogging it.

Specifically us.. we been like a hamster spinning in the wheel since goat left.. saw some false hope in 2021 making a play off Berth.. we have Jennings, Dugger, rham, Barmore, owmenu, Drake, gonzo, Schooler home grown drafted players since 2020 that I'd say are part of the present/future. Am I missing anyone?

I'd put possibly Douglas in there as he was their leading WR last year and Marcus Jones as a key returner. Hopefully Polk can do the unthinkable and flip a 180 and Baker gets people out of their wheelchairs.

 

[Real fan 02]

29 isn't old for a LT, many of the best ones play to age 35 or more. Trent Williams is one of the elite LT in the NFL and is entering his age 37 season. Miller isn't elite but he's a top 10-15 guy at the position. I think he'd be more than just a stop gap. I suggested free agent DJ Humphries earlier, he's more of a stopgap because we have to see if he can return to his pre-2023 ACL injury form. Trade for Miller and extend him and LT is sorted for at least Maye's rookie contract.

Reasonable.. so where do we go with the 4th overall pick if we traded for Miller? Because by the end of next season we have to do Drake and gonzo.

 

[Real fan 02]

Me neither. He was pretty irrelevant in Buffalo, but I agree he flipped a switch when he got traded to the Seahawks. I do remember him wanting out of Buffalo the day they drafted him, so maybe he was dogging it.

I'd put possibly Douglas in there as he was their leading WR last year and Marcus Jones as a key returner. Hopefully Polk can do the unthinkable and flip a 180 and Baker gets people out of their wheelchairs.

Ah.. rain I can always depend on yoi for the intell.. yes mighty mouse jones.. and pop how could I forget... does Boutte get any love? Lol

 

[TheRainMaker]

Ah.. rain I can always depend on yoi for the intell.. yes mighty mouse jones.. and pop how could I forget... does Boutte get any love? Lol

Yes for Boutte.

 

[Lansdowne]

Reasonable.. so where do we go with the 4th overall pick if we traded for Miller? Because by the end of next season we have to do Drake and gonzo.

Lots of options and I'm not sure what the best one would be. But I think trading for Miller means not needing to draft Campbell at #4. He's either a LT or a LG and I think it'd be a mistake to take a LG at that spot. I think assuming Hunter and Carter are gone, the smartest move after trading for Miller would be to trade down a few spots for additional draft picks and then take the best of who's left. If no trade partner, I'd prefer a touchdown scorer (Warren or Jeanty), but locking down RT long-term with Membou would be nice too. I'm confident whoever the Pats get with their pick will be a great player for us but it's very debatable who that player should be.

 

[BTTA]

Except in small windows just about everyone's drafting sucks. People's ideas of how good teams should be drafting don't match actual success rates.

Everybody knows that "the draft is a crap shoot" except when they are disappointed about their team's draft outcome, in which case the team is incompetent.

 

[BTTA]

I think I am going to start bleeding out my eyes and ears if I consume any more pre-draft info. I am doing it to myself.

Have you been through every page of this yet? 2025 NFL Mock Draft Database | The Home for NFL Mock Drafts

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Well it is re-assuring that you guys set the record straight on Vrable's drafting record for the Titans. It certainly seems like Jon Robinson (ex Patriots exec, ahem) was to blame.

So we are good hands if Vrable can fight off Bob Kraft and Wolf and whomever else screwed up last year. And Vrable brought over his own guy, Cowden, which is probably means that Wolf is a Dead Man Walking.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

What the Patriots might want to do is put everyone involved in last year's draft on probation, but ask them to fill out a mock before the draft and record their preferred picks in each round as the draft unfolds. Then at the end of the season, review those mocks and picks and rate each of these guys on their choices. Then it is time to make some heads roll (or in the case of Josh, lock him out of the draft room). The Cowboys used to do this and it worked out well.

 

[Jackson 2]

What the Patriots might want to do is put everyone involved in last year's draft on probation, but ask them to fill out a mock before the draft and record their preferred picks in each round as the draft unfolds. Then at the end of the season, review those mocks and picks and rate each of these guys on their choices. Then it is time to make some heads roll (or in the case of Josh, lock him out of the draft room). The Cowboys used to do this and it worked out well.

Yeah, the Cowboys have had all sorts of strategies that have "worked out well." Great idea to copy them...WTF???

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

In the early 2010s.. we were hitting on draft picks.. McCourty, spikes, Hightower, solder, white, Jones, Malcom brown was even serviceable for a few seasons.. as you perfectly stated even the legendary bill him couldn't outlast bad drafting.

Maybe it had something to do with Nick Caserio leaving in 2020 and the Pats hiring Wolf? Maybe? Or it could be a coincidence?

Talking about coincidences it is amazing how your posts and ..... seem like you are the same poster. Just saying twin.

 

[Real fan 02]

Maybe it had something to do with Nick Caserio leaving in 2020 and the Pats hiring Wolf? Maybe? Or it could be a coincidence?

Talking about coincidences it is amazing how your posts and ..... seem like you are the same poster. Just saying twin.

I think your right one... Curran mentioned the stark differences with Bills staff and how small it was and how much bigger vrables is.. Josh is largely responsible for reffering nick to the organization many don't know this fact.

My twin concurrs.. so can patsfans.com founder Ian... Lol