2025 LT

[Rdforty2]

I don't agree. You could also say that Campbell playing in the SEC has been mentioned repeatedly and rarely is it mentioned that Membou plays in the SEC. How many times has it been mentioned that Campbell has been starting in the SEC since freshman year? I am not defending Membou, and have repeatedly said that Campbell and Membou are the same age, have the same RAS, and both play in the SEC. I have no idea why you and others think you have to defend Campbell. Aren't we all looking for the best player for the Pats?

I want the BPA which almost all draft experts agree is Graham and Jeanty, not Campbell or Membou. Drafting for need leads to long term disappointment. Graham is the guy if Hunter and Carter are gone.

It's about painting an accurate picture.

Why do you get upset about someone pointing out that Campbell's RAS is better? It's a fact, but its one rarely stated.

I also don't think people generally just point out that Campbell played in the SEC and ignore it in Membou. People point out that he played left tackle in the SEC. It's usually a direct response to the he's only a guard crowd. Pointing out that he was a standout performer at left tackle in the SEC is an important distinction between him and Membou. The experience at LT is part of the equation and is something Membou cannot claim.

I've also said I'd trust the staff on the OL picks, even at various spots. I've said if they believe Trapilo is their guy, I believe it with all the ties they have to him. I've said if they think Membou is an easy flip, then take him. I'm a Campbell guy between the two - but I'm not going to dig my heels in and be upset if they take Membou instead. Vrabel and McDaniels know what they want, and Marrone knows what he's doing. I believe they'll get the OL right.

I'd also add that the experts have different priorities when ranking guys than teams do. They rank in a general sense. Teams draft specifically to their team. The Patriots aren't going to take Cam Ward at 4 if he falls. But he's #1 on the Titans board. They're going to stack their board with their priorities in mind. It's possible Campbell or Membou are #3 on the Patriots board behind Carter and Hunter.

 

[bakes781]

Jalen Travis sleeper

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It's about painting an accurate picture.

Why do you get upset about someone pointing out that Campbell's RAS is better?

I am not upset. You are projecting?

It's a fact, but its one rarely stated.

It is not a fact. The RAS is within the measurement instruments statistical error range - see Deflategate for an explanation.

I've also said I'd trust the staff on the OL picks, even at various spots. I've said if they believe Trapilo is their guy, I believe it with all the ties they have to him. I've said if they think Membou is an easy flip, then take him. I'm a Campbell guy between the two - but I'm not going to dig my heels in and be upset if they take Membou instead. Vrabel and McDaniels know what they want, and Marrone knows what he's doing. I believe they'll get the OL right.

I agree 100%.

I'd also add that the experts have different priorities when ranking guys than teams do. They rank in a general sense. Teams draft specifically to their team. The Patriots aren't going to take Cam Ward at 4 if he falls. But he's #1 on the Titans board. They're going to stack their board with their priorities in mind. It's possible Campbell or Membou are #3 on the Patriots board behind Carter and Hunter.

I would draft via BPA. If the Pats pick BPA, Campbell and Membou are not #3 - see almost every national draft ranking for an explanation. Shifting the draft board to prioritize "needs" is a mistake IMO - see picking Polk and Wallace last year.

Posters that disagree with you are not necessarily upset.

 

[Rdforty2]

I am not upset. You are projecting?

It is not a fact. The RAS is within the measurement instruments statistical error range - see Deflategate for an explanation.

I agree 100%.

I would draft via BPA. If the Pats pick BPA, Campbell and Membou are not #3 - see almost every national draft ranking for an explanation. Shifting the draft board to prioritize "needs" is a mistake IMO - see picking Polk and Wallace last year.

Posters that disagree with you are not necessarily upset.

Everyone's BPA is going to be different. Every team is going to be different. And there's a reason why the draft doesn't go exactly as the "experts" say. Experts don't stack their board scheme specific to one individual team.

If the Patriots pick Membou or Campbell at 4, I believe it's because they think it's BPA. They've stacked their board. We're not going to know what it is. But so early in the draft, I dont believe they're going to take their #12 prospect, ignoring their board. Maybe at 69 they'll take their 75th player over their 65th because they took the same position as 65 earlier. But at 4, they're taking the player they think is the best available.

 

[bakes781]

Everyone's BPA is going to be different. Every team is going to be different. And there's a reason why the draft doesn't go exactly as the "experts" say. Experts don't stack their board scheme specific to one individual team.

If the Patriots pick Membou or Campbell at 4, I believe it's because they think it's BPA. They've stacked their board. We're not going to know what it is. But so early in the draft, I dont believe they're going to take their #12 prospect, ignoring their board. Maybe at 69 they'll take their 75th player over their 65th because they took the same position as 65 earlier. But at 4, they're taking the player they think is the best available.

As long as we don't have a Cole Strange moment lol

 

[Rdforty2]

As long as we don't have a Cole Strange moment lol

Bill lived in a world of his own lol. Still think he's got it as a coach. But his track record with the draft was so bad.

The Wallace pick just hurts every time his name comes up. Maybe he becomes a decent RT. Thats possible. But reaching for need and then trying to convince everyone he could be an LT was bad. I trust this staff with OL picks much more.

 

[bakes781]

Bill lived in a world of his own lol. Still think he's got it as a coach. But his track record with the draft was so bad.

The Wallace pick just hurts every time his name comes up. Maybe he becomes a decent RT. Thats possible. But reaching for need and then trying to convince everyone he could be an LT was bad. I trust this staff with OL picks much more.

Wallace was post Bill but yeah they missed out on the run last year and got caught scrambling. That's why I'm calling Wolfs bluff that they don't draft for need at 4.

 

[State]

Donovan Jackson. Our LT at pick 38?

 

[manxman2601]

Donovan Jackson. Our LT at pick 38?

He doesn't seem to be talked about as a LT by the draft punditry. He'd be a really good combination with Membou though. I don't think he works quite as well with Campbell because if Campbell does have to switch to LG, Jackson would be blocking him although a move to RG for one of them would work in that scenario.

 

[Rdforty2]

He doesn't seem to be talked about as a LT by the draft punditry. He'd be a really good combination with Membou though. I don't think he works quite as well with Campbell because if Campbell does have to switch to LG, Jackson would be blocking him although a move to RG for one of them would work in that scenario.

I was surprised Brugler has him ranked as a tackle, and Banks as a guard.

I dont see it. In a pinch like Thuney had to maybe, but not as the plan. Especially on this team. We have to hit on the LT pick. If they do pick Jackson to be LT, I'll have my doubts but in Vrabel/McDaniels/Marrone we trust.

I'd say I'd disagree on picking him with Membou as better than with Campbell. I understsnd the concern about Campbell possibly moving inside. But, what if Membou can't play LT? LG is where he heads for this team, as well. Moses has RT taken, so Membou would have to play LG to get on the field, just like Campbell. I think the same concern applies to both.

Really hope this staff is dead on correct with their OL selection this year. Quite possibly the one pick that impacts the season as much as anything else. WR could be passable without a selection or a hit. LT is not.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[PatsFan2]

Not gonna lie I like him more than Campbell also thinks he makes the switch. Bruce Armstrong Pt.II I wonder if that's one of the reasons why we're doing so much work on him. Membou's movement skills are Elite!!

 

[PatsFan2]

Going be interesting to see if they bring in Two Tackles from the Draft. Gotta think after Drafting one early we might select a Ersery - Trapilo or Travis later. I think they're going after guys who they feel can swing at Tackle.

 

[manxman2601]

Going be interesting to see if they bring in Two Tackles from the Draft. Gotta think after Drafting one early we might select a Ersery - Trapilo or Travis later. I think they're going after guys who they feel can swing at Tackle.

I think you're right. If I was GM, I like the idea of drafting Trapilo or Charles Grant in the 3rd - if they make it that far.

 

[PatsFan2]

We know how private workouts can swing the pendulum in a players favor. Coaches can get blown away and go against conventional wisdom: taking a guy much earlier than anticipated. IF Membou is our LT for the next Ten Years the pick is fine with me.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think you're right. If I was GM, I like the idea of drafting Trapilo or Charles Grant in the 3rd - if they make it that far.

Vrabel knows something about O-Linemen: didn't the Titans Draft both Skoronski and Duncan a year before his departure??

 

[Brotherblues]

I’m all in on a OT double dip draft.

If I'm calling the shots, this is the draft primer I'm going with.

OT DOUBLE DIPPING PLAN:

Scenario 1: Membou/Campbell (4) AND ONE of Ersery (38), or Trapilo/Grant/Belton (69).

Scenario 2: Ersery (38) AND ONE of Trapilo/Grant/Belton (69).

Scenario 3: TWO of Trapilo/Grant/Belton (69 and 77).

If you are in danger of walking out with only one player from this group, consider trading up.

Scenario 4: Bonus triple dip. If you just couldn’t get more than one of the above (or even if you did), look for one of these: Logan (106), Hinson/Pierce (R5).

Note1: I would love a trade up from 38 or a trade down from 4 to include Banks, Simmons, and Conerly, but here I'm focusing on scenarios we can reliably achieve without big splashy trades.

Note2: Scenario 3 is awesome to play with as you get whoever the hell you truly like at 4 and 38. It’d be risky to try it in a real life / no do-overs scenario though. I can pull it off nearly 100% of the time using a draft simulator but that’s obviously a very loose indicator.

 

[AQPE]

I’m all in on a OT double dip draft.

If I'm calling the shots, this is the draft primer I'm going with.

OT DOUBLE DIPPING PLAN:

Scenario 1: Membou/Campbell (4) AND ONE of Ersery (38), or Trapilo/Grant/Belton (69).

Scenario 2: Ersery (38) AND ONE of Trapilo/Grant/Belton (69).

Scenario 3: TWO of Trapilo/Grant/Belton (69 and 77).

If you are in danger of walking out with only one player from this group, consider trading up.

Scenario 4: Bonus triple dip. If you just couldn’t get more than one of the above (or even if you did), look for one of these: Logan (106), Hinson/Pierce (R5).

Note1: I would love a trade up from 38 or a trade down from 4 to include Banks, Simmons, and Conerly, but here I'm focusing on scenarios we can reliably achieve without big splashy trades.

Note2: Scenario 3 is awesome to play with as you get whoever the hell you truly like at 4 and 38. It’d be risky to try it in a real life / no do-overs scenario though. I can pull it off nearly 100% of the time using a draft simulator but that’s obviously a very loose indicator.

There were 9 offensive linemen taken in the first round last year. Two were projected to move inside (Morgan and Barton), another (Fautanu) is likely to wind up as a guard but played tackle at Washington.

Another 6 were taken in the second round, four of whom are being used as tackles, two as centers.

Do not be surprised if Ersery goes in the first round, after Campbell, Membou, Banks, Simmons, and Conerly. I don’t think Ersery will be there at #38. I also expect Trapilo, Belton, and Grant to be gone by the time #69 comes up.

You can also expect Zabel, Booker, and Jackson to be gone, Zabel in the first I think and Jackson early second. Booker is almost certainly only considered a OG but the other two are projected as IOLs but may be viewed as stopgaps at OT in their rookie seasons. I know his value tanked after the Senior Bowl but I won’t be surprised to see Milum go in the second round. He is at the level I expect to be a possible Pats selection in the third round, with Pierce, Brown, Travis and probably others I’m not thinking of.

Such is the way the OT position has become in the NFL now, a complete fiasco. The Pats need to be aggressive or they’ll be looking at prospect #10 at #69.

 

[zimmy]

In a draft that is supposedly weak at OT, I’m not very keen to double dip into it. Doesn’t seem a sound plan to me.

 

[AQPE]

In a draft that is supposedly weak at OT, I’m not very keen to double dip into it. Doesn’t seem a sound plan to me.

Anyone they draft needs to be better than Lowe, Wallace, or Jacobs. That’s not a high bar right there.