Campbell Or Simmons/Conerly Plus A Couple Picks

[Steve102]

Seems hard to believe anyone would give up a 2 to get to #4 in this draft. I think the odds are high we stick and pick since there is no value in #4 this year in terms of a trade down unless we take 50 cents on the dollar.

I think the best you could hope for is a 2nd in 2026 or a 3rd in 2025 and not even sure you'd get that unless someone loves Jeanty and wants to jump in front of Raiders. Denver at 20 probably the first team.

I don't see anyone trading up for Sanders at 4 but hope I'm wrong,

I just wish that there was a Joe Alt/Joe Thomas/Jonathan Ogden Caliber LT in this draft class. Because if that were the case, you absolutely take a LT of that caliber at #4 Overall EVEN IF Carter or Hunter are still there. That's not to say that a LT from this draft class won't prove to be within the next 3 to 5 years one of those young stud LT's that we'd want to get in FA, but that teams rarely ever let hit FA. It's just that coming into this draft, none of the LT's are rated as highly as the 3 that I mentioned.

They still have to be prepared to pick someone at #4.

 

[KCSVEN]

I just wish that there was a Joe Alt/Joe Thomas/Jonathan Ogden Caliber LT in this draft class. Because if that were the case, you absolutely take a LT of that caliber at #4 Overall EVEN IF Carter or Hunter are still there. That's not to say that a LT from this draft class won't prove to be within the next 3 to 5 years one of those young stud LT's that we'd want to get in FA, but that teams rarely ever let hit FA. It's just that coming into this draft, none of the LT's are rated as highly as the 3 that I mentioned.

Evan Neal was at that level and not worked out, so you never know.
Outside of wingspan and arm length Campbell checks all the boxes to be a solid LT and while it would have been great to have a Joe Alt this year sitting there this year they don't need that type of LT with Maye/Josh working together.

PFF rating: Overall Lowe was 54 and Jacobs a distant 58 out of 58. Only Tyler Guyton was close.

Moses was 43, not great but way better than Jacobs and better than Cam Robinson rated.

If Campbell can be below average but functioning like Moses, they'd still have a big improvement at both spots. You then hope he improves each year.

Obviously at the 4 pick you want more and if Campbell is the pick I'd expect more but should be improved at both tackle spot in 2025 if he is the pick.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

You don't give up 4 sacks over 3 years in the hardest division in College Football, and be a fkn bum.
That doesn't make sense, especially when you START as a true freshman.
Godzilla will win most of the battles, as he always has.

There are tons of players who are AMAZING in college and suck in the pros. People can keep clinging to the fact that he played well in the "hardest division" with the SEC, but guys from that conference bust all the time. And even if it is the best level of competition, it's still not even close to the pros. The overwhelming majority of his snaps are still vs. guys who won't even make rosters in the NFL. And of those who will, he's facing them extremely early in their physical development and, in most cases, in the development of their technique. In the pros, he'll be facing guys who are more physically developed and have better technique. In college, even most of the best are either small with weight to gain for the pros or still learning technique. He'll go from being the best lineman on the team so coordinators trying to scheme their best rushers off of him to either someone NFL coordinators scheme their guys onto, or at the least just don't avoid him anymore.

Posters here have broken down the tape on Campbell and the concern is that, presumably because of his lack of length, he has to be aggressive reaching out to the rusher off the edge which leaves him susceptible to inside moves. Obviously he was still good in college, so it's not like he didn't overcome it. But again, competition in the pros will be way better. You just have to worry about that step up in competition crossing a threshold where his lack of length becomes a more determinantal issue.

It's harder to fundamental or technique your way around a physical deficiency in the NFL than it is in college/ Every year there are TONS of prospects who are great players in college and then they get to the pros and it's just too much to overcome and they fall off a cliff.

 

[signbabybrady]

What I really can’t understand is that the report that MacMillan doesn’t care about football and watching film has been out for at least a week, and to date neither he or his agent has made any attempt to address it, which makes me think that he hasn’t changed, otherwise you would expect them to come out and say that was when he was just starting out, and that he’s been doing everything he can to become great since then.

I don't think you comment on things like that as you will only fuel it trending. But you definitely need a good answer for it when you meet with interested teams. Or even if you don't meet your agent can provide the answer to any other team.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

How about trading back a bit (6, 7, or 8) then Jeanty, OT(Ersery), TE (Taylor), WR (Bech), OT Trapillo...
That would drastically improve our lackluster Offense..

Assuming Hunter & Carter are gone, I don't think we'll find a trading partner unless we go all the way to 10 or lower. Picks 5-9 have no reason to trade up. Starting at 10 you might have someone who wants to move up for a Membou or Jeanty or Warren, and the most we'd get is their 2nd rounder. Chicago has two 2nd's so I suppose that's a possibility. It all depends on whether we're comfortable with passing on both Campbell and Membou cause they could both be gone by then.

 

[mgteich]

TET is not a solution to any problem the Patriots have. Let me guess. You've gone to Capt Stone's supplier of cheap wacky wee

Seems hard to believe anyone would give up a 2 to get to #4 in this draft. I think the odds are high we stick and pick since there is no value in #4 this year in terms of a trade down unless we take 50 cents on the dollar.

I think the best you could hope for is a 2nd in 2026 or a 3rd in 2025 and not even sure you'd get that unless someone loves Jeanty and wants to jump in front of Raiders. Denver at 20 probably the first team.

I don't see anyone trading up for Sanders at 4 but hope I'm wrong,

To be clear, you don't think anyone would give a 2nd to move up from 10 to 4. How about a 3rd?
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If we have the same evaluation as others that 4 and 10 are close to equal, then even a 3rd is OK, with us drafting Simmons or Conerly at 10.
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I understand those who like Campbell much more than those two. In that case, we would simply draft Campbell at 4.

 

[JohnJH]

They still have to be prepared to pick someone at #4.

Indeed they do. And most likely will.

 

[Steve102]

Indeed they do. And most likely will.

My guess is the rest of the NFL is going to see the same thing we all see and, basically, point and laugh at paying a premium to move to #4. They'll have to drop way back to get any value.

Meh. What the hell do I know? I thought Milton and a 7th would get a 4th and a 6th.

 

[DarrylS]

Assuming Hunter & Carter are gone, I don't think we'll find a trading partner unless we go all the way to 10 or lower. Picks 5-9 have no reason to trade up. Starting at 10 you might have someone who wants to move up for a Membou or Jeanty or Warren, and the most we'd get is their 2nd rounder. Chicago has two 2nd's so I suppose that's a possibility. It all depends on whether we're comfortable with passing on both Campbell and Membou cause they could both be gone by then.

I am not a huge fan of Hunter ... and suspect that Carter will be gone by then. We have so many holes and knowing that Vrabel liked an offense that features a highly touted back, Henry, Jeanty might be his preference..
I would like to pick up another 2nd round pick to help fill in the Pats many gaps..

 

[JohnJH]

My guess is the rest of the NFL is going to see the same thing we all see and, basically, point and laugh at paying a premium to move to #4. They'll have to drop way back to get any value.

Meh. What the hell do I know? I thought Milton and a 7th would get a 4th and a 6th.

You're not the only one that thought that Steve. It's actually not a small club!

 

[WhatJustHappened]

There are tons of players who are AMAZING in college and suck in the pros. People can keep clinging to the fact that he played well in the "hardest division" with the SEC, but guys from that conference bust all the time. And even if it is the best level of competition, it's still not even close to the pros. The overwhelming majority of his snaps are still vs. guys who won't even make rosters in the NFL. And of those who will, he's facing them extremely early in their physical development and, in most cases, in the development of their technique. In the pros, he'll be facing guys who are more physically developed and have better technique. In college, even most of the best are either small with weight to gain for the pros or still learning technique. He'll go from being the best lineman on the team so coordinators trying to scheme their best rushers off of him to either someone NFL coordinators scheme their guys onto, or at the least just don't avoid him anymore.

Posters here have broken down the tape on Campbell and the concern is that, presumably because of his lack of length, he has to be aggressive reaching out to the rusher off the edge which leaves him susceptible to inside moves. Obviously he was still good in college, so it's not like he didn't overcome it. But again, competition in the pros will be way better. You just have to worry about that step up in competition crossing a threshold where his lack of length becomes a more determinantal issue.

It's harder to fundamental or technique your way around a physical deficiency in the NFL than it is in college/ Every year there are TONS of prospects who are great players in college and then they get to the pros and it's just too much to overcome and they fall off a cliff.

Ok.
IMHO, Every one of the considered Top 10 have something...
Campbell's arms are an inch shorter than ideal, Carter has a foot injury, that who knows if it'll be problematic, Hunter played against a bunch of soon to be waiters, Graham is too light, Membou might not be able to make the "Ez" :roll eyes: move to LT, Simmons probably won't be ready until 1/2-3/4 through the season.

Jeanty and Warren are not even in my sites at our top pick.

Thanks

 

[BobDigital]

Something occurs to me. Is there an OT in this draft who is all of the above: Healthy and ready to start at this level on week 1, will play OT all year and not be a better fit at guard potentially, and have a high enough level of ability to pull it off?

I just don't think so. Campbell probably projects better as a guard, as does Banks and Membou. Zabel is listed as a potential OT but really should be a Center or Guard. Simmons is perhaps the best in the class but may not be able to start the season, though at least he fits the OT prototype well. Those are most of the top prospects.. some of which are better on the right side as opposed to the left as well.

Simmons may be the best option to draft but you need to hope he will be and stay healthy. This isn't a class which i think you want to try to get a guy to play week 1 for you at LT. If that is their plan, i think they should seriously consider otherwise. Particularly if they want to use pick 4 for any of these guys. that to me be a massive reach based on need when far better prospects are on the board. And when it comes to getting a starter at a key spot you need, do you want to wait till pick 38?

All this makes me wonder why they haven't picked up a FA yet to have some breathing room

 

[mgteich]

So,

All this makes me wonder why they haven't picked up a FA yet to have some breathing room

Thy want to see who they draft at OL before they try to decide who fits best as a one-year filler.

 

[KCSVEN]

To be clear, you don't think anyone would give a 2nd to move up from 10 to 4. How about a 3rd?
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If we have the same evaluation as others that 4 and 10 are close to equal, then even a 3rd is OK, with us drafting Simmons or Conerly at 10.
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I understand those who like Campbell much more than those two. In that case, we would simply draft Campbell at 4.

I think yes someone would give up a 3 but 10 and 40 equate on draft charts to get to #4.
To take such low value would be hard to say yes to.
Tough spot, teams don't feel there is a blue-chip guy to trade up for so probably won't give fair value.

I don't agree that you get the same type of prospect at 10 you get at 4. There are no blue chips from 4-10 but I think there is still a ranking within those prospects but without knowing the Pats draft board hard to say how they see it.

We shall see in a couple weeks as they would likely want to trade down and if they don't you know they weren't offered much.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think yes someone would give up a 3 but 10 and 40 equate on draft charts to get to #4.
To take such low value would be hard to say yes to.
Tough spot, teams don't feel there is a blue-chip guy to trade up for so probably won't give fair value.

I don't agree that you get the same type of prospect at 10 you get at 4. There are no blue chips from 4-10 but I think there is still a ranking within those prospects but without knowing the Pats draft board hard to say how they see it.

We shall see in a couple weeks as they would likely want to trade down and if they don't you know they weren't offered much.

I wouldn’t take a 3rd. In that case stay put and take your guy.

 

[lancerman]

I think yes someone would give up a 3 but 10 and 40 equate on draft charts to get to #4.
To take such low value would be hard to say yes to.
Tough spot, teams don't feel there is a blue-chip guy to trade up for so probably won't give fair value.

I don't agree that you get the same type of prospect at 10 you get at 4. There are no blue chips from 4-10 but I think there is still a ranking within those prospects but without knowing the Pats draft board hard to say how they see it.

We shall see in a couple weeks as they would likely want to trade down and if they don't you know they weren't offered much.

You also are giving up your choice for it. At 10 you do risk a scenario where Graham, Campbell, Tet, Warren, Jeanty, Simmons are all gone and you have to settle for someone that is widely viewed as lesser and is a 3 worth that?

At 4 you could at least always have the BPA option and grab Graham and potentially beef up a defense we already added to. If you really want a high prospect lineman you can pick between Campbell or Simmons. You can get the consensus best TE or WR in the draft. Not a fan at all of Jeanty but he's at least an option for you.

Idk if a 3 is really worth not having that flexibility just because we are bummed the two megastars are gone.

 

[BobDigital]

So,

Thy want to see who they draft at OL before they try to decide who fits best as a one-year filler.

While this is fair, in the mean time the amount of decent starting capable OTs is shrinking. Beacham was recently signed and he was one of the few quality LTs left on the market. there are now arguably 1 or 2 more starter level guys left. What if they are gone come draft night and the board doesn't fall our way and we need to either massively overspend draft capable to reach or pick a guy who may end up as a guard anyway while Maye gets concussed again cause his blind side is protected by a JAG.