If we lost to the Bills and kept the Ist pick. Would Jerod still be HC?

[Froob]

No he was done either way. He didn't even play Maye. Unlucky for us Milton went HAM. I don't know how you could expect him to have done more than that. I believe numerous starters came out.

 

[lancerman]

No. There was no real chance with how fast he got fired that the outcome of the final game effected it and if it did, and it implies you fired a coach for winning, it would be very concerning. You didn't need that last game to make a decision.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think he was getting fired either way, at least I really hope so. As much as I wanted him gone, thatd be pretty ****ty if he got canned for not tanking a game.

I believe based on mayos post game body language and demeanor he was out likely before the game.. if schefter new about before the game Mayo likely knew...

 

[Real fan 02]

Mayo would Never be a FA lure. Better a year early than year too late.

I heard he didn't even talk ball when he brought in FAs... wtf...

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

He’s be gone and we’d be deciding on Abdul Carter or a draft pick haul

 

[VJCPatriot]

Perhaps we should think ourselves lucky we won.

No, I think Mayo was out the door regardless. He knew he was a goner and therefore the final act of defiance. He spit in the eye of Kraft and the fans by going hard to win a meaningless game and against the best interests of the team.

 

[TommyD4207]

I heard he didn't even talk ball when he brought in FAs... wtf...

He and Wolf and Robyn Glaser were in those meetings. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[Huckleberry1]

No. He was a dead man walking into that game. The Kraft’s already had their sights set on Vrabel.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Are you high? He was gone either way.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Perhaps we should think ourselves lucky we won.

As I've said before, the reason they were in position for the #1 pick in the first place is because of his incompetence over the previous 17 weeks. I can't imagine a scenario where a loss to BUF would've made Kraft decide, "You know what, I should give Mayo a second chance."

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No, I think Mayo was out the door regardless. He knew he was a goner and therefore the final act of defiance. He spit in the eye of Kraft and the fans by going hard to win a meaningless game and against the best interests of the team.

How do you sell that to the players, though? "We need you to play poorly so we can draft your replacements?"

 

[VJCPatriot]

How do you sell that to the players, though? "We need you to play poorly so we can draft your replacements?"

You don't need to sell it to the team. It's very easy to control the outcome of a game you need to lose when you are the head coach because of the power of substitutions.

It would be very easy for Mayo to see that Milton is having a great game and sub him out at half time.

Same with any other first teamers on offense and defense. Ok you had a great first half, your place is secure, now let's audition the 2nd and 3rd string guys.

In fact Buffalo subbed in their 3rd string Quarterback which showed they were a lot more savvy about tanking the Patriots draft pick than Mayo himself. What a buffoon!

 

[Triumph]

As I've said before, the reason they were in position for the #1 pick in the first place is because of his incompetence over the previous 17 weeks. I can't imagine a scenario where a loss to BUF would've made Kraft decide, "You know what, I should give Mayo a second chance."

Thunder Kraft hoarded the Pats cap money adding little in FA - Osborne, Hooper and Gibson.
He let Wolfe and Groh handle the 2024 draft netting 1 player so far. The Raiders picked 13th and landed 3 starters - TE, LT, G.

Talk about a pathetic Free Agency and Draft. Stan and Ollie were allowed to keep their jobs and are currently preparing for the 2025 FA and draft. The Pats went into 2024 lacking OL and WR and the exact same applies heading into 2025.

Thunder sent Glaser over to cut NEP cost behind Mayos back.
It was agreed by all that Brisset would be the starter while Maye learned.
After Brisset lost 4 games in succession (1 - 4) it was ok for Maye to come in.
Thunder hired Mayo well aware that he had little coaching experience and then acted surprised when Mayo lost games.

People here wonder why Mayo lost so many games. Its too bad Mayo could not lay all the evidence out how Thunder screwed him and used him.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Moving on, JFK was shot from his right front,not the rear.

 

[Thelonious]

It was clear to me that Mayo was in over his head from pretty early on. Robert's judgment is pretty questionable these days, but I don't see how he, and certainly Robert, could have missed the signs. Surely they have been through failed executive hires before in their other businesses. I suspect they saw what most of us saw pretty early on: Mayo couldn't hack it. Not smart enough, not tough enough. I doubt another team will give him a shot as HC, and I wonder just how much he actually contributed to the comparative success of the defenses he co-ran with Belichick's obviously competent kid. Mayo is an empty track suit.

 

[Wozzy]

He was getting slaughtered and outright mocked in the press and places like here… rightfully. He was fired regardless.

 

[lancerman]

You don't need to sell it to the team. It's very easy to control the outcome of a game you need to lose when you are the head coach because of the power of substitutions.

It would be very easy for Mayo to see that Milton is having a great game and sub him out at half time.

Same with any other first teamers on offense and defense. Ok you had a great first half, your place is secure, now let's audition the 2nd and 3rd string guys.

In fact Buffalo subbed in their 3rd string Quarterback which showed they were a lot more savvy about tanking the Patriots draft pick than Mayo himself. What a buffoon!

The Bills didn't try at all that game, even if we did that, good chance we still win. Milton had a great game because of who he was against. Brissett and Maye would have looked amazing that day as well.

 

[Wozzy]

Thunder Kraft hoarded the Pats cap money adding little in FA - Osborne, Hooper and Gibson.
He let Wolfe and Groh handle the 2024 draft netting 1 player so far. The Raiders picked 13th and landed 3 starters - TE, LT, G.

Talk about a pathetic Free Agency and Draft. Stan and Ollie were allowed to keep their jobs and are currently preparing for the 2025 FA and draft. The Pats went into 2024 lacking OL and WR and the exact same applies heading into 2025.

Thunder sent Glaser over to cut NEP cost behind Mayos back.
It was agreed by all that Brisset would be the starter while Maye learned.
After Brisset lost 4 games in succession (1 - 4) it was ok for Maye to come in.
Thunder hired Mayo well aware that he had little coaching experience and then acted surprised when Mayo lost games.

People here wonder why Mayo lost so many games. Its too bad Mayo could not lay all the evidence out how Thunder screwed him and used him.

Mayo was creeping up the backstairs and lobbying for the job, he’s not the innocent babe in the woods he is pretending to be now or people are portraying him as

Mayo also got screwed by Elliot Wolf, it’s also completely correct that both people can suck at their jobs.

Mayo wasn’t a good head coach, Wolf wasn’t a good GM = disaster.

 

[Bill Lee]

You don't need to sell it to the team. It's very easy to control the outcome of a game you need to lose when you are the head coach because of the power of substitutions.

It would be very easy for Mayo to see that Milton is having a great game and sub him out at half time.

Same with any other first teamers on offense and defense. Ok you had a great first half, your place is secure, now let's audition the 2nd and 3rd string guys.

In fact Buffalo subbed in their 3rd string Quarterback which showed they were a lot more savvy about tanking the Patriots draft pick than Mayo himself. What a buffoon!

The best way to control the outcome of the game was for Kraft to fire him a few days before the game and get someone else to take the HC duties for one game.

That way you don't get what we got, Mayo coaching knowing the best thing for his future was to go out strong.

Also you get chaos in the ranks, pretty much ensuring a poor performance in the last game.

Many people here are writing that it was well understood that Mayo was a goner at the end of the season.

If that's the case and you know going into that last game you can have the #1 overall if you lose, the move is to fire Mayo before the game.

That and picking a clearly inferior leader for that last game is how you secure the tremendous value that #1 overall brings to your team.

It's a signal to roll over that both teams clearly understand.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Thunder hired Mayo well aware that he had little coaching experience and then acted surprised when Mayo lost games.

Kraft admitted that he had put Mayo in a terrible position because of Mayo being a "pne-team guy."

Nevertheless, Mayo himself showed that he wasn't taking the job seriously enough to warrant being brought back.

Moreover, this has nothing to do with the question I asked: if Mayo had had a healthier roster (e.g., Andrews, Barmore, and Bentley never go on IR), could he have done better enough to keep his job?