Brady/Maye

[ctpatsfan77]

We will never know what Mayo could have done since Kraft didn't give him a chance.

If Kraft spent in FA for players that were sure bets to be good and the 2024 draft netted more than just a 3rd pick QB, then you can begin building the case to fire Mayo.

All the Pats 2024 personnel problems are still here.

Kraft realized that he didn't set Mayo up in a great position to succeed this year, and apologized to Mayo for doing so at the press conference.

That said, even accounting for the fact that he was dealt a terrible hand, Mayo still could've done enough to give Kraft confidence that he could turn things around. But he didn't. My gut tells me that the "Gibson is starting" fubar was the final straw. Whatever happened there, it was his fault, and just glibly saying "Coaches' decision" after the fact showed he wasn't taking responsibility for it.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

No and I am really shocked that I am the only one calling out Kraft and his dirty BS and I'm not a SJW.

You're far from the only one calling him out.

 

[Ring 6]

No and I am really shocked that I am the only one calling out Kraft and his dirty BS and I'm not a SJW.

Mayo was not qualified to be hired and turned out worse than even his biggest skeptics feared. Coaching is coaching whether the players are good or bad. He wasn’t fired because of his win/loss record he was fired because of his capability as a coach.

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft realized that he didn't set Mayo up in a great position to succeed this year, and apologized to Mayo for doing so at the press conference.

That said, even accounting for the fact that he was dealt a terrible hand, Mayo still could've done enough to give Kraft confidence that he could turn things around. But he didn't. My gut tells me that the "Gibson is starting" fubar was the final straw. Whatever happened there, it was his fault, and just glibly saying "Coaches' decision" after the fact showed he wasn't taking responsibility for it.

I think the final straw was just walking through the locker room, being in the building, going to practice and seeing what the culture had become.
All of the events that people point to were really just windows to how the team was being run.
It wasn’t that Mayo said the wrong things it’s that saying the wrong things was a result of him just not really knowing how to do the job.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If Kraft spent in FA for players that were sure bets to be good and the 2024 draft netted more than just a 3rd pick QB, then you can begin building the case to fire Mayo.

(A) Those "sure bets" didn't want to come to Foxboro and play for an almost entirely first-time coaching staff who couldn't say who their starting QB would be.

(B) As I have pointed out numerous times, it's reasonable to criticize Kraft for being reluctant to issue large contracts, but he isn't pocketing money earmarked for player salaries. The CBA allows teams to keep up to 10% over each cash floor period, but he has always rolled over unused funds to the next year.

 

[Triumph]

Mayo was qualified to be hired and turned out worse than even his biggest skeptics feared. Coaching is coaching whether the players are good or bad. He wasn’t fired because of his win/loss record he was fired because of his capability as a coach.

Mayo was not qualified to be hired as a HC.

He had no body of work to distinguish himself from any other positional coach. Kraft claiming that teams were calling him with inquires to interview Mayo for HC are total BS. They may have called, but what if they wanted Mayo for their DC which is a normal way of ascension?

So, Kraft hires Mayo knowing that he has no experience at this level and then fires Mayo 10 months later because he exhibited no signs of performing as a HC.

 

[Triumph]

(A) Those "sure bets" didn't want to come to Foxboro and play for an almost entirely first-time coaching staff who couldn't say who their starting QB would be.

Ridley did not want to be here.

Who else? Kraft was not aggressive in bringing in new FA to fix holes. He was content going cheap.

(B) As I have pointed out numerous times, it's reasonable to criticize Kraft for being reluctant to issue large contracts, but he isn't pocketing money earmarked for player salaries. The CBA allows teams to keep up to 10% over each cash floor period, but he has always rolled over unused funds to the next year.

I never claimed the money went to Kraft.

The money not spent in 2024 did nothing to fix the Patriots problems with Mayo as HC. Kraft did not field the best team possible for Mayo to succeed. Krafts people traded off Mconkey who might have made the difference in a couple of three games.

 

[Triumph]

You're far from the only one calling him out.

I see people blaming Mayo for 2024 Patriots.

 

[Ring 6]

Mayo was not qualified to be hired as a HC.

He had no body of work to distinguish himself from any other positional coach. Kraft claiming that teams were calling him with inquires to interview Mayo for HC are total BS. They may have called, but what if they wanted Mayo for their DC which is a normal way of ascension?

So, Kraft hires Mayo knowing that he has no experience at this level and then fires Mayo 10 months later because he exhibited no signs of performing as a HC.

Yes I meant to say NOT qualified.

 

[Ring 6]

(A) Those "sure bets" didn't want to come to Foxboro and play for an almost entirely first-time coaching staff who couldn't say who their starting QB would be.

(B) As I have pointed out numerous times, it's reasonable to criticize Kraft for being reluctant to issue large contracts, but he isn't pocketing money earmarked for player salaries. The CBA allows teams to keep up to 10% over each cash floor period, but he has always rolled over unused funds to the next year.

A) there were dozens of free agents available

B) you are not correct here
They must spend CASH equal to 89% of the CAP
Cap and cash are very different.
Kraft has spent the least cash on player payroll of any team since he has owned the Patriots. Of course he pockets the difference.

 

[TomPatriot]

I see people blaming Mayo for 2024 Patriots.

He’s one of a long list of “villains.”

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

they lived in two different worlds...

Brady had Belichick, a stout line, a good defense, Charlie Weis and a full year of practice before the whole "Mo Lewis Affair" thrust him into the spotlight...

Maye had "Scowling" Jerod, was set with a porous line, a bad defense, Van Pelt, and a couple months of practice before the whole "Mayo Is Suddenly Afraid of Losing His Job Because We Suck & Brissett Sucks Even More Affair" thrust him into the spotlight

Tbh Brissett was right for taking his grievances public. Mayo was that bad

 

[ctpatsfan77]

A) there were dozens of free agents available

B) you are not correct here
They must spend CASH equal to 89% of the CAP
Cap and cash are very different.
Kraft has spent the least cash on player payroll of any team since he has owned the Patriots. Of course he pockets the difference.

Every dollar that Kraft is allowed to spend on salary ultimately comes from revenue streams specified in the CBA, and is earmarked for that purpose.

Literally the only way for Kraft to pocket some of that money is to have leftover money that he doesn't spend and fail to roll it over. He does roll over 100% of the excess every year. (And, BTW, I have read the damn CBA, so I can tell you it's now 90% minimum cash spending, not 89%.)

So please enlighten me: give me an actual estimate of the amount you think he's pocketed this year or last year. Show your work.

 

[Triumph]

He’s one of a long list of “villains.”

How he a villian when Mayo was trying to learn to be a better HC. That takes more than 10 months.

The Pats problems are not over. Kraft is still in charge. The losing began when Kraft began to take more control.

 

[Triumph]

Robyn Glaser gone too.

What a joke. Wolf and Groh still here because they are controlled by Bob Kraft.

Just like I told ya.

 

[TomPatriot]

How he a villian when Mayo was trying to learn to be a better HC. That takes more than 10 months.

The Pats problems are not over. Kraft is still in charge. The losing began when Kraft began to take more control.

Mayo was a bad hire. Not ready, not qualified. He never had an Associate HC or Coordinator position.

He was basically a position coach who was elevated way too early.

What did he do right? What did he excel at? Nothing, really.

He may eventually become a good HC. Who wants to take that chance? Who wants to wait when the evidence doesn’t reflect an ability to coach? Who wants to watch another year of bad coaching. Not me.

 

[patfanken]

Mayo was a bad hire. Not ready, not qualified. He never had an Associate HC or Coordinator position.

He was basically a position coach who was elevated way too early.

What did he do right? What did he excel at? Nothing, really.

He may eventually become a good HC. Who wants to take that chance? Who wants to wait when the evidence doesn’t reflect an ability to coach? Who wants to watch another year of bad coaching. Not me.

 

[patfanken]

Mayo was a bad hire. Not ready, not qualified. He never had an Associate HC or Coordinator position.

He was basically a position coach who was elevated way too early.

What did he do right? What did he excel at? Nothing, really.

He may eventually become a good HC. Who wants to take that chance? Who wants to wait when the evidence doesn’t reflect an ability to coach? Who wants to watch another year of bad coaching. Not me.

I .somewhat disagree. Mayo excelled as a leader of men. Think about it. For the most part (and all teams have a couple of clunkers every season) the team played VERY hard all season, and under some very adverse situations that have been well documented and we all know too well.

BTW getting players to play hard for you even through all the adversity of a long season is a bedrock must have to be a successful HC.

When you think about it, Mayo didn't really stand a chance. Inexperienced staff, most of whom hadn't worked together before, A bad roster he had little responsibility for assembling. A media that pounced on every perceived error or flaw they could find both real and imagined. Kraft did him NO favors by hiring him last Winter and he acknowledged this regretfully when he fired him.

 

[PatsFan2]

I .somewhat disagree. Mayo excelled as a leader of men. Think about it. For the most part (and all teams have a couple of clunkers every season) the team played VERY hard all season, and under some very adverse situations that have been well documented and we all know too well.

BTW getting players to play hard for you even through all the adversity of a long season is a bedrock must have to be a successful HC.

When you think about it, Mayo didn't really stand a chance. Inexperienced staff, most of whom hadn't worked together before, A bad roster he had little responsibility for assembling. A media that pounced on every perceived error or flaw they could find both real and imagined. Kraft did him NO favors by hiring him last Winter and he acknowledged this regretfully when he fired him.

More like boot licker of men.

 

[Triumph]

Mayo was a bad hire. Not ready, not qualified. He never had an Associate HC or Coordinator position.

Perhaps Kraft is a bad owner.

After all, Kraft let Brady leave and claim that BB told him that Brady was cooked. He just sat on his booster seat and witnessed Brady win 12 games.

He was basically a position coach who was elevated way too early.

Your man Kraft claims other teams were calling him with HC vacancies forcing him to act.

What did he do right? What did he excel at? Nothing, really.

Cant judge progress from the 2024 season to the 2025 season anymore.

He may eventually become a good HC. Who wants to take that chance? Who wants to wait when the evidence doesn’t reflect an ability to coach? Who wants to watch another year of bad coaching. Not me.

Give Mayo the players to be good.