Vrabel's Staff Discussion Thread (Discuss related news here)

[mgteich]

Wes Welker should definitely take the job. Is it possible to look bad compared to the WR coaches we hired the last few years? Wes will look like genius.

How about a WR coach who simply a good WR coach, insted of one who is better than the very low bar of patriot WR coaching and development?

I expect that Vrabel has someone (or two or three) in mind.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Grier's biggest failing was that he coddled his picks and spent a lot of time managing up which undermined Carrol. I hope that RKK recognizes his role in putting Carrol in the position to fail when establishing the team structure for the team under Vrabel.

He mentioned years ago he messed up doing that, so I doubt he makes that mistake again.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Assholes get things done, I want an ******* as our coach.

 

[Ring 6]

Please list the number of successful QBs who have to learn a new offense after their rookie year.

It's dumb

I’m sure there are many. All of them had to learn a new offense their first year.

Are you honestly telling me the best thing for maye is to keep being coached by a terrible coach because more bad coaching is better than good coaching?

 

[Ring 6]

Maye has already learned multiple offenses in his career between college and the NFL. I don’t think having to learn Josh’s scheme is going to break him. He’s extremely smart.

Of course.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you implying i'm advocating for AVPs return?

To enlighten you, keeping the same offensive scheme, doesn't mean you keep the same OC.

I've advocating a better OC that is expert-level in WC

Who?
And every WCO isn’t the same

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on categorization.

He learned this whole Van Punt offense in a camp. Why couldn’t he learn the few differences in someone else’s system in a camp?

 

[Wozzy]

I can't believe there's a possibility of Josh McDaniels coming back... if so it would be hilarious.

Jonathan was pressuring BB to switch to a West Coast offense as far back as 2022, they even gave it a shot because coach Jon wanted to get modern. Now we're going back to the Ernhardt-Perkins offense after one season of West Coast... laugh riot.

 

[Ring 6]

Whoever the defensive coordinator is, I want a defense that attacks the offense, not a reactionary defense. One that can scheme pressure. Get after the QB. And obviously have to improve the run defense.

It’s hard to attack an offense, scheme pressure and improve the run defense.
Every thing you do to take something away weakens you somewhere else
Great defenses aren’t great because they figured out a scheme that stops everything they are great because the have the players to be put in a position of weakness and succeed.
The Patriot D in the 2014-2018 era had Hightower, run stuffing DTs and edge players who could okay the run, so they could play base nickel and be one of the best run Ds in the league despite over playing the pass at the expense of the run, for example.
Defenses like Rex Ryan that “attack” also get burned deep a lot. A blitz is a huge advantage to the offense if they pick it up b

If the offense becomes one of the better offenses in the league a more conservative defense is fine. Aggression and creativity on 3rd down, no big plays on first and second.
If the offense stinks you have to be super aggressive on D because you have to get big plays and turnovers to flip the script and beat a better team.

I think the most important thing Vrabel brings defensively is the ability to find the right players and put them in the right roles so you have the capability to try to take something away.

 

[FCB02062]

McDaniels got $85m from Oakland. He never has to work again in his life. Those aren't the guys you want.

 

[slash83]

McDaniels got $85m from Oakland. He never has to work again in his life. Those aren't the guys you want.

What’s a ridiculous take. So by your logic, no trading for any star players, no signing big time players who are on a second contract because they’re rich and don’t ever have to work again?

 

[hornetfb85]

McDaniels got $85m from Oakland. He never has to work again in his life. Those aren't the guys you want.

Some people really love coaching football. A coaches bank account should not be a detractor.

 

[NormZauchin]

Wes Welker should definitely take the WR coaching job. Is it possible to look bad compared to the WR coaches we hired the last few years? Wes will look like genius.

As a player, Wes came to the Pats from Miami. Maybe he follows the same path as a coach.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

I love it....but no chance.

Mike Ditka and Buddy Ryan.....Vrables and Rex.

Call it the Eric Claption/Steve Winwood NFL version.

i didn't know they had a conflict. here's hoping josh mcd finds his way home.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Hard to believe they fizzled out
Clapton, Winwood and Ginger Baker
Clapton and Baker from Cream
Winwood and bass guitarist (can’t remember his name) from Traffic
Like an all-star game. Nobody takes it seriously. Nobody wanted to stay in their lane

i just know winwood, dave mason and jim capaldi from traffic. dave mason does a great all along the watchtower. loved winwood in the spencer davis group. he was like 14 years old. he was around 16 when he did gimme some lovin' and i'm a man. he did not sound like a 16 yr old white kid.

 

[TomPatriot]

Could be. I make a lot of mistakes these days because I type way faster than I have keyboard talent.

I’m the king of typos so . . . don’t touch my crown!

 

[TomPatriot]

Breer acts like the Pats were the first team ever to exploit that rule. Teams have been doing it for years. The Krafts were brilliant in getting the best coach available.

Plus, you comply with rules, not the goal of rules. If the rule doesn’t accomplish the purpose, then change the rule.

 

[ALP]

McDaniels got $85m from Oakland. He never has to work again in his life. Those aren't the guys you want.

Are you kidding?!?

If one of your colleagues won the lottery, but still came to work because he wanted to, even though he didn't need to whatsoever, you'd think he would not be good at his job?

This motivation is completely pure, those are EXACTLY the people I want working, not the ones who do it because they need the money

 

[Dec54]

His scheme requires talent. Once it dries up, it’s over.

I’d love this.

I thought the idea was to look to the future now and not the past. Rex Ryan, really?

 

[Dec54]

It’s not that different. The concepts are very similar. Maye can easily adapt.

At this short time in his tenure with the Pats and his in built intelligence I think he could adapt to pretty much any scheme.

 

[Wilfork#75]

My initial reaction was I want nothing to do with Josh McDaniels. I wanted a fresh start and a clean break from the dynasty. The more I think about it though, the more I think he is the right guy.

The thing that swayed me was listening to Patriots Unfiltered the other day when they mentioned Josh has spent that past year visiting different college campuses studying college offenses. He has made a real effort to try and modernize his scheme and stay up to date with the latest trends. I believe he spent time at Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC and possibly more.

There is no doubt Josh is an excellent OC that can implement and teach a system, run an offense and call plays. If he can modernize his scheme and add some new concepts to his vast knowledge and experience, he could be the perfect guy for Drake Maye.