PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots request to interview Ben Johnson

[upstater1]

Obviously you make a point. I was trying to short circuit Ring's Pacman level thought process to end that conversation.

The Red Sox were in the playoffs a lot for decades. Before they won was their culture a winning one?

If you are a legitimate NFL coach, you win with Josh Allen. Period. McDermott is a legitimate NFL coach for sure, but 15 guys could easily have accomplished what he has with the team he's had, and most would have gone further.




Team with mediocre coaches and great talent always suck you in.

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The Bills are not really talented. They do what the Patriots used to do, and that's build depth across the organization. Who are the Bills All-Pros?

They don't have stars. They have a solid team.

 

[Family]

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The Bills are not really talented. They do what the Patriots used to do, and that's build depth across the organization. Who are the Bills All-Pros?

They don't have stars. They have a solid team.

That's all you should need in this league to do better with Josh Allen.

 

[ahmed]

If brunell comes with johnson, do not want johnson.
Brunell is a dbag

This is the way.

 

[raduray]

If it's BJ, won't the coaching rebuild have to start until Detroit is out of the playoffs and he's hired, and doesn't that mean that some position coaches who might be candidates for the staff have taken other jobs instead of waiting for what is not a sure thing?

 

[mgteich]

If Johnson doesn’t blow them away on Friday., Vrabel will be the new HC of the Patriots by Monday.

I like Vrabel, I am just worried about his OC choice. Honestly i don’t want McDaniels. I think his offense is antiquated. It’s gonna be under center, 2 backs, FB. Turn your back to the defense and make a read. Maye has barely run under center in his life. I just don’t think those new QB are able to run those kind of offense.

And if he brings Tommy Rees who maybe his an up & coming modern innovator, you are pairing an inexperienced OC again with a 2nd year QB. I am worried about that.

If you bring Johnson, I know Maye will be in good hands.

Johnson isn't going to blow anyone away. Besides, he's head to CHI.

We have to have some leverage in dealing with Vrabel, as does Vrabel. Glenn would be an OK Plan B. Flores would be also.

I would expect that Vrabel will interview and stay in town. If the interview goes well, it will all be over by Monday, as you say. If not, I expect that Glenn will be the next man up.

 

[Ross12]

How do you keep Johnson's potential staff hanging until then? Other opportunities come and go. Is there backchannel communications going on in situations like that? And to test your hypothesis, must Johnson wait until after the SB to get announced for the job?

Yeah that’s the big issue.

 

[Ring 6]

That's all you should need in this league to do better with Josh Allen.

McDermott has lost to burrow, Mahomes, Mahomes, Mahomes on the playoffs.
Since you think a team is nothing but the QB and all the 52 players and coaches are irrelevant, he has only lost to more talented teams.
Please reconcile this.

 

[Ring 6]

Johnson isn't going to blow anyone away. Besides, he's head to CHI.

We have to have some leverage in dealing with Vrabel, as does Vrabel. Glenn would be an OK Plan B. Flores would be also.

I would expect that Vrabel will interview and stay in town. If the interview goes well, it will all be over by Monday, as you say. If not, I expect that Glenn will be the next man up.

How do you know Johnson who is widely considered the currently most innovative and best OC in the NFL won’t ace the interview? Have you interviewed him before? Please explain.

Why in the world would he pick Chicago over New England?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Yeah that’s the big issue.

If he wants to be a HC next year, I'm sure he's already got guys that will go with him, don't think he has to start from scratch to get a staff together.

 

[patman12]

Johnson isn't going to blow anyone away. Besides, he's head to CHI.

Until the McCaskey family sells the franchise, CHI is where coaches go to die.

 

[Ross12]

If he wants to be a HC next year, I'm sure he's already got guys that will go with him, don't think he has to start from scratch to get a staff together.

It’s not about who he wants to take, it’s about if those guys will all still be available 4 to 6 weeks from now when he can actually be hired and all the other teams have already been filling their vacancies

 

[203Pat]

Obviously you make a point. I was trying to short circuit Ring's Pacman level thought process to end that conversation.

The Red Sox were in the playoffs a lot for decades. Before they won was their culture a winning one?

If you are a legitimate NFL coach, you win with Josh Allen. Period. McDermott is a legitimate NFL coach for sure, but 15 guys could easily have accomplished what he has with the team he's had, and most would have gone further.




Team with mediocre coaches and great talent always suck you in.

Oh well when you put it that way I agree for the most part. I give McDermott a little credit for helping develop Josh Allen as we have seen how quickly organizations pull the plug on QBs but I would think Daboll is a bigger part in Allen's development. I do agree on the part about multiple coaches being able to win double digit games each year if they had Josh Allen along with some of the solid rosters the Bills have had.

 

[Family]

McDermott has lost to burrow, Mahomes, Mahomes, Mahomes on the playoffs.
Since you think a team is nothing but the QB and all the 52 players and coaches are irrelevant, he has only lost to more talented teams.
Please reconcile this.

I thought you were done posting about this. Somewhere previously in this conversation you used the words that I was making excuses for Daboll, and now after bowing out, excuses are all you are left with.

Two years ago McDermott couldn't capitalize on the "Hamlin event." History has shown over and over that when teams have a major event to play for, it provides incentive to carry them over the top. McDermott still led the Bills to loss when he had Josh Allen and the intangibles overwhelmingly in his favor. And we all know how McDermott handed the Chiefs a championship gift from probably the worst coaching decision in playoff history.

On the subject of winning after a major event, the Red Sox are a team that broke their losing tradition with a championship. What about Buffalo's losing tradition of losing championships before McDermott? Other than not being able to even make the Super Bowl has McDermott broken that losing culture or added to it? I guarantee you were saying the Red Sox had a losing tradition even with their success of making playoffs during those decades.

You were right. I am done posting about this because it's hard to discuss anything with someone who only uses binary thinking.

 

[PatsFan2]

I thought you were done posting about this. Somewhere previously in this conversation you used the words that I was making excuses for Daboll, and now after bowing out, excuses are all you are left with.

Two years ago McDermott couldn't capitalize on the "Hamlin event." History has shown over and over that when teams have a major event to play for, it provides incentive to carry them over the top. McDermott still led the Bills to loss when he had Josh Allen and the intangibles overwhelmingly in his favor. And we all know how McDermott handed the Chiefs a championship gift from probably the worst coaching decision in playoff history.

On the subject of winning after a major event, the Red Sox are a team that broke their losing tradition with a championship. What about Buffalo's losing tradition of losing championships before McDermott? Other than not being able to even make the Super Bowl has McDermott broken that losing culture or added to it? I guarantee you were saying the Red Sox had a losing tradition even with their success of making playoffs during those decades.

You were right. I am done posting about this because it's hard to discuss anything with someone who only uses binary thinking.

A.J. has a point they lost to Great QB's Mahomes and Burrow no shame there. I think they have as good a chance as any in the AFC this year. I think KC have some warts than can be exploited in 25.

 

[Family]

A.J. has a point they lost to Great QB's Mahomes and Burrow no shame there. I think they have as good a chance as any in the AFC this year. I think KC have some warts than can be exploited in 25.

In the AFC you almost have to lose to a great QB.

This year when they lose to exponentially better coached Baltimore at home, you can add two time MVP Lamar Jackson to the list.

 

[PatsFan2]

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The Bills are not really talented. They do what the Patriots used to do, and that's build depth across the organization. Who are the Bills All-Pros?

They don't have stars. They have a solid team.

Yep that's why I like em Kincaid - Shakir and Cooper not to mention Coleman and Samuel. They have a similar Offense the Patriots had with Brady no super stars but nice complimentary players. Patriots fans have to be blind or jealous if they can't see that.

 

[PatsFan2]

In the AFC you almost have to lose to a great QB.

This year when they lose to exponentially better coached Baltimore at home, you can add two time MVP Lamar Jackson to the list.

Ravens better hope Zay Flowers can come back in the next Round. They should beat the Steelers but they ain't beating Buffalo or KC without him that's for sure.

 

[Family]

Ravens better hope Zay Flowers can come back in the next Round. They should beat the Steelers but they ain't beating Buffalo or KC without him that's for sure.

Buffalo gave up 40 points in back to back weeks in December. Then they eked out a win at home against the Patriots.

Buffalo will be no issue for Baltimore even without Flowers.

 

[Ring 6]

I thought you were done posting about this. Somewhere previously in this conversation you used the words that I was making excuses for Daboll, and now after bowing out, excuses are all you are left with.

Two years ago McDermott couldn't capitalize on the "Hamlin event." History has shown over and over that when teams have a major event to play for, it provides incentive to carry them over the top. McDermott still led the Bills to loss when he had Josh Allen and the intangibles overwhelmingly in his favor. And we all know how McDermott handed the Chiefs a championship gift from probably the worst coaching decision in playoff history.

On the subject of winning after a major event, the Red Sox are a team that broke their losing tradition with a championship. What about Buffalo's losing tradition of losing championships before McDermott? Other than not being able to even make the Super Bowl has McDermott broken that losing culture or added to it? I guarantee you were saying the Red Sox had a losing tradition even with their success of making playoffs during those decades.

You were right. I am done posting about this because it's hard to discuss anything with someone who only uses binary thinking.

I am using your scale. You said he should have won solely because of who his qb is. I said on your scale he shouldn’t have because he lost to better QBs. There are zero excuses on what I said.
McDermott track record speaks for itself (as does Dabolls). He has done a good job.

You introduced a reason he didn’t and I am pointing out that according to your own criteria he can’t be criticized.

You think losing a player should guarantee he wins a SB? Where has history shown over and over again that something like that guarantees a championship? Do you have examples? All the I ex I can think of shazier, stingley, the Detroit guy that almost died, Dennis Byrd didn’t lead to championships. I think you are grasping at straws.

I gave no clue what the Red Sox have to do with this.

McDermott took over a team that had made the playoffs ZERO TIMES IN SEVENTEEN YEARS and hadn’t won their division in 21.
He took them to the playoffs his first season, and 7 of the 8 he has been there. He has won the division 5 years running.

Looks like an incredible turnaround to me.

Your argument is that he stinks because in 7 years he hasn’t yet been the best of all 32 teams. You do realize that by saying this you are essentially saying almost every current HC sucks because there are less than I can count on one hand who won a sb in their first 7 years.

But Brian Daboll is a stud

 

[PatsFan2]

Buffalo gave up 40 points in back to back weeks in December. Then they eked out a win at home against the Patriots.

Buffalo will be no issue for Baltimore even without Flowers.

We'll see Fam: I am taking this Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson 24/7.