Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Ross12]

Gosh I'm going to get flamed, but am I the only one who actually wants to see him for another year? Hate carousels. I've prob said it before but seeing what's going on in Detroit (3-13-1, fired OC, then started 1-6 finishing 9-8), I'd like to see I'm amenable to seeing another year.

I would understand if Mayo had shown even 30% of the capability of Campbell in his first year.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Yes you might be the only one.

The comparisons end with the final record.

Detroit won 3 of their last 6 games, and ended the season on a high note. Campbell took control of the offense, and turned things around, establishing a proactive culture, something Mayo is either incapable of with the defense, or doesn't realize this is what a leader does.

They did win 3 of their last 6 games (giving up 51 pts in one of those) but then proceeded to go 1-6 to start the next season (including the 29-0 shutout against Zappe). I'm shocked he wasn't fired then. I guess I'm just open to a longer leash - allow Mayo to see if he can grow from this.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Alex Van Pelt says Drake Maye will start in Week 18, intends for him to play whole game

On Thursday, New England Patriots offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt told the media before practice that rookie quarterback Drake Maye will start in Week 18, and that he intends for him to play whole game.

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Kiss the 1 goodbye

Parting gift FU

Come on, Maye will probably play one or 2 series at most

 

[Jim Beankie]

I would understand if Mayo had shown even 30% of the capability of Campbell in his first year.

How did Campbell show capability in his 1st year though (as in what does this mean)? By leadership, I can totally agree, but any other measures? I haven't kept track, but about halfway through the season, I found that the Lions' offense that 1st year was just as bad as the Pats by a few metrics (and defense at a quick glance was by far worse). I do want to compare the 2nd half of the season after next game.

 

[Ross12]

How did Campbell show capability in his 1st year though (as in what does this mean)? By leadership, I can totally agree, but any other measures? I haven't kept track, but about halfway through the season, I found that the Lions' offense that 1st year was just as bad as the Pats by a few metrics (and defense at a quick glance was by far worse). I do want to compare the 2nd half of the season after next game.

leadership, a win streak to end the season, creating a tough and hard nosed culture, guys buying in, taking over play calling when things were’t working, not just wandering the sidelines looking like a lost homeless man all game… lots of things

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Gosh I'm going to get flamed, but am I the only one who actually wants to see him for another year? Hate carousels. I've prob said it before but seeing what's going on in Detroit (3-13-1, fired OC, then started 1-6 finishing 9-8), I'd like to see I'm amenable to seeing another year.

I'm kind of with you on the "amendable" part. I don't think Mayo was put in good position. I don't think he got a fair shot at doing well this year. So on the surface I'd feel negatively about firing someone without giving them a real shot. Whether it was an intentional multi-year plan thing or just straight incompetence by the front office, this roster was such a joke that I don't think it would be fair for anyone to have success with.

BUT in every single way he had a chance to show me any signs that if given a fair chance he would have success, I couldn't see it. Like I just can't pretend that I saw ANY indication that he's a good coach who will do well if the front office figures out this roster and gives Mayo a fair shot. It doesn't look like he's "lost the locker room" or anything absurd, but doesn't look like he's got guys running through brick walls for him either. I get that pretty much every position group sucks so scheming anything up is hard, but it doesn't look like they're particularly innovative. There have been game management gaffes. I think the media and fans have been pretty over the top over analyzing press conferences and trying to have "gotcha" moments where someone says something they can twist... but by a certain point this year Mayo should have realized that and stopped giving them things they could do that with. It's all just been very, very bad.

I guess in the spirit of fairness I can see giving him a year with some semblance of an actual roster to work with if they can put it together. But it's not like he had some great resume coming in and where he had the chance to show signs this past year he didn't. I'd just move on and hire someone who has shown signs of being worthy of the opportunity.

 

[Ross12]

Personally speaking I think there could be considerations where they bring in Vrabel but keep AVP under him, for Maye's benefit, and keep Wolf in place. Vrabel brings in his own DC/defensive staff and also replaces some people on the offensive staff like WR coach, etc. Probably keep Springer too. They give AVP and Wolf one more year and if it's still bad then Vrabel goes and finds a GM he wants to work with, and also replaces AVP. It'll be less hard to find one under Vrabel and it'll be less impactful on Maye to switch offenses in his 3rd year.

With Vrabel at the helm, they will be able to sign some free agent talent that they couldn't under Mayo and also attract better coaching talent. With that better coaching, there's reason to believe that perhaps some of these much maligned draft picks turn it around and become productive next year, along with next year's crop.

This way it is not TOO much change all at once still, especially on your young QB/offense, but you have much better leadership and in-game decision making, as well as culture.

Stewing on this more, I actually kind of want this to happen… In some ways I feel as if AVP might actually have the ability to be good but is held back by 1) bad personnel, 2) being a little green at his job still, and 3) being totally devoid of guidance from his boss (Mayo) so he has to do too much on game day.

If he had a guy like Vrabel steering the ship for him and making the high level decisions, so all he had to do himself was call plays, and he also had a better roster, I actually am sort of optimistic that he would do a good job.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ten of the Chiefs' wins have been by a touchdown or less. Five have been by a field goal or less. I figure that if Mayo were their coach, all five of the three point or less victories would have been losses along with a couple of the 5-to-7-point wins. So, my estimate is that the Chiefs, with Mayo as their head coach, would be eight and eight and fighting with the Broncos, Dolphins and Bengals for the last playoff spot.

I don't think you are wrong.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Gosh I'm going to get flamed, but am I the only one who actually wants to see him for another year? Hate carousels. I've prob said it before but seeing what's going on in Detroit (3-13-1, fired OC, then started 1-6 finishing 9-8), I'd like to see I'm amenable to seeing another year.

You’re far more optimistic than me, I’m not seeing anything that tells me he’ll be competent, let alone good, in the near future.

 

[The Gr8est]

I'm kind of with you on the "amendable" part. I don't think Mayo was put in good position. I don't think he got a fair shot at doing well this year. So on the surface I'd feel negatively about firing someone without giving them a real shot. Whether it was an intentional multi-year plan thing or just straight incompetence by the front office, this roster was such a joke that I don't think it would be fair for anyone to have success with.

BUT in every single way he had a chance to show me any signs that if given a fair chance he would have success, I couldn't see it. Like I just can't pretend that I saw ANY indication that he's a good coach who will do well if the front office figures out this roster and gives Mayo a fair shot. It doesn't look like he's "lost the locker room" or anything absurd, but doesn't look like he's got guys running through brick walls for him either. I get that pretty much every position group sucks so scheming anything up is hard, but it doesn't look like they're particularly innovative. There have been game management gaffes. I think the media and fans have been pretty over the top over analyzing press conferences and trying to have "gotcha" moments where someone says something they can twist... but by a certain point this year Mayo should have realized that and stopped giving them things they could do that with. It's all just been very, very bad.

I guess in the spirit of fairness I can see giving him a year with some semblance of an actual roster to work with if they can put it together. But it's not like he had some great resume coming in and where he had the chance to show signs this past year he didn't. I'd just move on and hire someone who has shown signs of being worthy of the opportunity.

You don’t think Mayo was put in a good position?

He wasn’t forced into this position.

He got himself put in this position by schmoozing the owner.

He WANTED the position, but in the end it is Mayo himself who is “wanting.”

We Pats fans deserve better, and so do the players.

Mayo selfishly wasted a year of our sports lives.

 

[Jim Beankie]

leadership, a win streak to end the season, creating a tough and hard nosed culture, guys buying in, taking over play calling when things were’t working, not just wandering the sidelines looking like a lost homeless man all game… lots of things

Fyi, there was no win streak at all his 1st year. Otherwise, I can see the rest. I remember watching the Senior Bowl game when he was one of the head coaches in 2022 (after that crappy 1st season), and thought he sounded inspiring during the practice and game interviews. I guess I wasn't surprised when the Lions turned it around, as he made me want to get in there and play.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I'm kind of with you on the "amendable" part. I don't think Mayo was put in good position. I don't think he got a fair shot at doing well this year. So on the surface I'd feel negatively about firing someone without giving them a real shot. Whether it was an intentional multi-year plan thing or just straight incompetence by the front office, this roster was such a joke that I don't think it would be fair for anyone to have success with.

BUT in every single way he had a chance to show me any signs that if given a fair chance he would have success, I couldn't see it. Like I just can't pretend that I saw ANY indication that he's a good coach who will do well if the front office figures out this roster and gives Mayo a fair shot. It doesn't look like he's "lost the locker room" or anything absurd, but doesn't look like he's got guys running through brick walls for him either. I get that pretty much every position group sucks so scheming anything up is hard, but it doesn't look like they're particularly innovative. There have been game management gaffes. I think the media and fans have been pretty over the top over analyzing press conferences and trying to have "gotcha" moments where someone says something they can twist... but by a certain point this year Mayo should have realized that and stopped giving them things they could do that with. It's all just been very, very bad.

I guess in the spirit of fairness I can see giving him a year with some semblance of an actual roster to work with if they can put it together. But it's not like he had some great resume coming in and where he had the chance to show signs this past year he didn't. I'd just move on and hire someone who has shown signs of being worthy of the opportunity.

Thanks for your excellent take.

 

[Family]

They did win 3 of their last 6 games (giving up 51 pts in one of those) but then proceeded to go 1-6 to start the next season (including the 29-0 shutout against Zappe). I'm shocked he wasn't fired then. I guess I'm just open to a longer leash - allow Mayo to see if he can grow from this.

I don't care about wins or losses. If that's your focus, then OK, you are good with wasting the franchises time.

Mayo has not established an identity or culture. He should be taking over the defense , which is supposed to be his area, instead of standing by and letting this happen. Mayo walks back comments, nearly every week, and seems to blame everyone, but himself. Not the traits of a leader. Mayo has little feel for the game in real time. He initially makes the wrong decision on whether to accept a close decision penalty, and there is little in game adjustments. Last week players quit. Nearly everything has regressed from the season's beginning.

Some golfers are improving, but it doesn't show up in the score, and some golfers flat out suck. Unfortunately, it's obvious we are stuck with the one who sucks.

 

[Jim Beankie]

You’re far more optimistic than me, I’m not seeing anything that tells me he’ll be competent, let alone good, in the near future.

I think I just realized that it's because of his history with the Patriots as a player that makes me feel like I wanna give him more of the benefit of the doubt. If it were someone not affiliated with the Pats or even New England, then all the red flags would be more glaring to me. There should be a better term than love goggles - parent who ignores their kids' faults?

 

[Hammer of Thor]

You don’t think Mayo was put in a good position?

He wasn’t forced into this position.

He got himself put in this position by schmoozing the owner.

He WANTED the position, but in the end it is Mayo himself who is “wanting.”

We Pats fans deserve better, and so do the players.

Mayo selfishly wasted a year of our sports lives.

This is still ultimately on Kraft. Never in my life have I seen a succession plan exist at the c-suite level where the succession plan was honored when the top guy was fired. In other words, the successor is supposed to be tied into the original leader, and learn from him and continue on even if things are given his own flair once he takes over. If the leader gets fired, by default it means the successor gets fired too — or at least has to interview thoroughly to try to dissociate himself from the predecessor and say why his new vision is better. Breer was absolutely right with his take on that in the 98.5 video that was posted.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I think I just realized that it's because of his history with the Patriots as a player that makes me feel like I wanna give him more of the benefit of the doubt. If it were someone not affiliated with the Pats or even New England, then all the red flags would be more glaring to me. There should be a better term than love goggles - parent who ignores their kids' faults?

I hear you. I loved Mayo as a player and thought the criticisms against him were unfounded. So I want to see the guy succeed.

I had assumed because of the green dot and folks calling him Belichick Jr, that it really was the case. Instead it seems like he’s a good do-bee in terms of knowing what the defense was supposed to do, but wasn’t a big picture guy that knew why to do it. Frankly it reminds me a bit of Mike Singletary the Bears linebacker versus Mike Singletary the 49ers head coach. And it stinks for me because he was one of my favorite players.

 

[Love The Drake]

If Vrabs comes McDaniels is most likely with him.
So the question I would have would be would Josh and Mike allow Alex to stay on as QB coach?
I think that’s best case scenario for Mayes development.
I’m having a hard time deciding is Vrab and Josh a better solution than Ben Johnson would be?

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is the Pats making sure they are not accused of tanking which could merit a fine.
He will start and be pulled after one quarter with a mysterious injury (wink wink)

Maye’s injury status gives them cover for any tanking accusations. He’s already had two head injuries this season, and protecting him from a 3rd one is a completely valid reason to sit him.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I don't care about wins or losses. If that's your focus, then OK, you are good with wasting the franchises time.

Mayo has not established an identity or culture. He should be taking over the defense , which is supposed to be his area, instead of standing by and letting this happen. Mayo walks back comments, nearly every week, and seems to blame everyone, but himself. Not the traits of a leader. Mayo has little feel for the game in real time. He initially makes the wrong decision on whether to accept a close decision penalty, and there is little in game adjustments. Last week players quit. Nearly everything has regressed from the season's beginning.

Some golfers are improving, but it doesn't show up in the score, and some golfers flat out suck. Unfortunately, it's obvious we are stuck with the one who sucks.

I don't disagree with most of what you said, but I do have to wonder what happens behind closed doors and how much stock (if any) to put into what someone like Wise has said very recently. I didn't really see mass quitting last week. I did see mass suckage, especially after they lost their best player (Gonzo) while only losing 7-0 at the time.

He noted that Mayo’s leadership was one of the best he’s been around, which is saying a lot from a team captain and Super Bowl champion.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I hear you. I loved Mayo as a player and thought the criticisms against him were unfounded. So I want to see the guy succeed.

I had assumed because of the green dot and folks calling him Belichick Jr, that it really was the case. Instead it seems like he’s a good do-bee in terms of knowing what the defense was supposed to do, but wasn’t a big picture guy that knew why to do it. Frankly it reminds me a bit of Mike Singletary the Bears linebacker versus Mike Singletary the 49ers head coach. And it stinks for me because he was one of my favorite players.

That's a great example.