Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[turkeyneck]

I never thought Marvin was bad, just mediocre.

Jeff Fisher-ish

 

[captain stone]

Who is missing besides Bentley, and I guess Uche if you want to count him?

The Big Guy, for one...

 

[captain stone]

Everyone reporting he’s going to comeback but making sure to add the “if things don’t go off the rail” caveat is interesting.

Between that and the Tankathon, it’s as if they want their own fans to root against them.

I am...

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I am...

You're still rooting for the Patriots, but you have a wider, longer view. That's my perspective too. I've become convinced it will take 1-2 more seasons of disastrous drafting and coaching to rid us of Wolf and Mayo. AVP is the fall guy, and appropriately, the most competent coach on staff. The Patriots have had dysfunctional ownership in the past but it has never been this bad. After the past 6 years, I'd like to see new ownership. Sure, things could get worse, but new owners would have to work hard to achieve that.

 

[Tunescribe]

You're still rooting for the Patriots, but you have a wider, longer view. That's my perspective too. I've become convinced it will take 1-2 more seasons of disastrous drafting and coaching to rid us of Wolf and Mayo. AVP is the fall guy, and appropriately, the most competent coach on staff. The Patriots have had dysfunctional ownership in the past but it has never been this bad. After the past 6 years, I'd like to see new ownership. Sure, things could get worse, but new owners would have to work hard to achieve that.

New ownership is a pipe dream. A more realistic hope is that Bob will relinquish control of the franchise to Jonathan.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

New ownership is a pipe dream. A more realistic hope is that Bob will relinquish control of the franchise to Jonathan.

They are both equally unlikely to happen, and for the same reason: Bob Kraft's enormous, monumental, gargantuan ego.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

I keep checking this thread hoping he's gone..

 

[The Gr8est]

It all sounds OK, but why not make the switch now? There are lots of GM guys and Wolf completely failed last season. I don't want Wolf spending $140M. His contracts last year were awful. So we roll the cap dollars over to 2026? It never ends. Let's get a professional GM now.

Why do we want to keep a GM who has a bad track record, and hand him a top 3 pick in each round to see if he doesn’t blow the picks?

Why give him that valuable an asset to evaluate his performance on?

 

[lancerman]

They are both equally unlikely to happen, and for the same reason: Bob Kraft's enormous, monumental, gargantuan ego.

Or just because it's delusional and entitled to think he would or should. He bought it, the team is his. He's had it for 30 something years and the value has increased and they became one of the most historically successful franchises ever while he was owner.

When other fans complain and talk about spoiled and entitled Patriots fans not understanding reality in the NFL, it's **** like this where fans are mad about a bad stretch and demanding that an owner who saw the team go to 1/3rd of the Super Bowls under his tenure should sell the franchise immediately. It's so stupid. There's reasons to rag on Kraft, but this is such a ridiculous take.

 

[p8ryts]

They are both equally unlikely to happen, and for the same reason: Bob Kraft's enormous, monumental, gargantuan ego.

I'm not a Bob guy but do we know Jonathan will be any better.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Why do we want to keep a GM who has a bad track record, and hand him a top 3 pick in each round to see if he doesn’t blow the picks?

Why give him that valuable an asset to evaluate his performance on?

I was arguing to dump the GM. You might reread my post.

 

[fresnostatealum]

Curran and Breer have walked the hot seat talk all the way back. I think it’s over

 

[Love The Drake]

Curran and Breer have walked the hot seat talk all the way back. I think it’s over

Yeah,

I believe so, I’ll say this if Mayo develops into a good to very good HC have to give Kraft credit.

 

[TommyD4207]

Curran and Breer have walked the hot seat talk all the way back. I think it’s over

We'll see if that changes, when they lose by 3 scores in front of a half-empty home crowd.

 

[Vindicate]

For those who remember, how was fan reception of Belichick throughout and after his first season? What felt different between him and Mayo? Just wondering as someone who wasn't really engaged much then.

 

[Vindicate]

I'm not a Bob guy but do we know Jonathan will be any better.

I will say this: there won't be a single owner in the entire NFL that doesn't have an ego. These are billionaires. They're all a bit... Self involved? To put it lightly.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I'm not a Bob guy but do we know Jonathan will be any better.

I’m not aware of anything that distinguishes him from Bob other than name, age and a rumor that he did not want Mayo (which I do not believe).

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Or just because it's delusional and entitled to think he would or should. He bought it, the team is his. He's had it for 30 something years and the value has increased and they became one of the most historically successful franchises ever while he was owner.

When other fans complain and talk about spoiled and entitled Patriots fans not understanding reality in the NFL, it's **** like this where fans are mad about a bad stretch and demanding that an owner who saw the team go to 1/3rd of the Super Bowls under his tenure should sell the franchise immediately. It's so stupid. There's reasons to rag on Kraft, but this is such a ridiculous take.

How many years of poor ownership do we have to endure before fans are entitled to speak out? I see you feel entitled to tell everyone when we are allowed to speak up. Are you also going to dictate which aspects of his ownership can be questioned? You’re setting the bar, right?

Nah, you aren’t. Everyone is free to say whatever they want whenever they want. You aren’t shutting anyone down with your pathetic shame game. Your argument is so weak I almost skipped replying, but it’s Christmas so consider this my gift to you.

Bob Kraft lost all good will when he ran TB12 out of town and appointed an unqualified, stupid sycophant as HC of the Patriots. He should sell the team, because it’s clear he is putting his ego above the good of the team. Jared Mayo is not an NFL head coach. After he loses this job, he will never be HC of another NFL franchise, not even a DC. Bob Kraft installed this guy to take over for BB, to be better than BB. Bob is delusional, not I.

 

[XLIX]

For those who remember, how was fan reception of Belichick throughout and after his first season? What felt different between him and Mayo? Just wondering as someone who wasn't really engaged much then.

There were plenty of calls to fire Belichick the summer of ‘01.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

For those who remember, how was fan reception of Belichick throughout and after his first season? What felt different between him and Mayo? Just wondering as someone who wasn't really engaged much then.

Not as bad as this but close.