PostGame Thread Patriots Lose to The Cardinals 30-17 in Arizona

[PatsFan2]

HOF owners don’t make mistakes, they do HOF things.

What does Kraft need to do to make us all realize that?

IF Mayo is our HC next year I am getting a hobby on Sundays or follow some other Team. I am not going to watch failure fail. Drake Maye cannot overcome Mayo he's that bad. We'll be picking Top 5 again if Mayo is given another year prepare to see that below.

 

[PatsFan2]

Big time we did!! The on field products Terrible. Everything has regressed under Mayo. Rk will have so many options he needs to get something in place so that at 4 pm week 18 we can start moving on from this staff.

Bingo! that's the point Players have regressed under Mayo that's a sign. He's not HC material he can't outcoach Sean McDermott - Mike McDaniel or anybody the Jets get will eventually Hire. That alone should be cause for concern.

 

[sb1]

When even Reiss of all people posts something this scathing about the team like he did in point #1 that’s a good sign something is fundamentally broken here.

#FireMayo

 

[Ross12]

From Mike Reiss of all people today:

“The Patriots got what they deserved, it was an unacceptable performance for a team coming off a bye, and there should be genuine soul-searching at all levels of the organization for how a team with a Patriots logo on the helmet could allow that to happen.”

Reiss rarely ever criticizes the team very heavily and is pretty deferential to the Krafts, so this is eye opening.

Edit: removed the tweet link since @sb1 posted it before me by like 5 seconds lol

 

[PatsFan2]

From Mike Reiss of all people today:

“The Patriots got what they deserved, it was an unacceptable performance for a team coming off a bye, and there should be genuine soul-searching at all levels of the organization for how a team with a Patriots logo on the helmet could allow that to happen.”

Reiss rarely ever criticizes the team very heavily and is pretty deferential to the Krafts, so this is eye opening.

Edit: removed the tweet link since @sb1 posted it before me by like 5 seconds lol

To show you how dysfunctional they are: Players are getting hurt and concussions during the bye week you can't make this up.

 

[Ross12]

To show you how dysfunctional they are guys are: Players are getting hurt and concussions during the bye week you can't make this up.

Wonder if that has anything to do with the strength and conditioning coach. Who was that again?

 

[The Gr8est]

Wonder if that has anything to do with the strength and conditioning coach. Who was that again?

If Mayo ever threw him under the bus we would remember his name more readily.

 

[PatsFan2]

Wonder if that has anything to do with the strength and conditioning coach. Who was that again?

Deron Mayo that last name again.

 

[Thunderhead]

Does anyone think Mayo is doing anything remotely approaching "soul-searching" after that loss? Not sure he's capable of true introspection. He seems generally unaffected. Just a nice guy giving out platitudes and making corny jokes.

 

[PatsFan2]

If Mayo ever threw him under the bus we would remember his name more readily.

He seems to have thrown everybody else.

 

[PatsFan2]

Does anyone think Mayo is doing anything remotely approaching "soul-searching" after that loss? Not sure he's capable of true introspection. He seems generally unaffected. Just a nice guy giving out platitudes and making corny jokes.

Mayo's shadow is trying to find a way to ditch him poor shadow. Mayo is the Worse HC I have seen in Patriots history and I thought nobody could top clueless Rod Rust.

 

[PatsFan2]

Does anyone think Mayo is doing anything remotely approaching "soul-searching" after that loss? Not sure he's capable of true introspection. He seems generally unaffected. Just a nice guy giving out platitudes and making corny jokes.

Watch Mayo throw his shadow under the bus: gotta blame someone but...

 

[The Gr8est]

Does anyone think Mayo is doing anything remotely approaching "soul-searching" after that loss? Not sure he's capable of true introspection. He seems generally unaffected. Just a nice guy giving out platitudes and making corny jokes.

Soul searching?

He talks about improving next year, like he knows his job is not in jeopardy.

He acts entitled.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bingo! that's the point Players have regressed under Mayo that's a sign. He's not HC material he can't outcoach Sean McDermott - Mike McDaniel or anybody the Jets get will eventually Hire. That alone should be cause for concern.

My concern is the Jets entice Vrabel I've made up my mind that Vrabel is the coach I want and should have been hired. We have a great young QB and some pieces on Defense with Barmore, gonzo.

 

[PatsFan2]

My concern is the Jets entice Vrabel I've made up my mind that Vrabel is the coach I want and should have been hired. We have a great young QB and some pieces on Defense with Barmore, gonzo.

I like Mike Vrabel too he Won a NFL Playoffs game and have NFL Coaching experience. IF the Krafts let the Jets get him we'll be the doormats of the Division for years to come. Allen is going into his prime: Tua is undefeated against us as a Starter. Vrabel to the Jets???

 

[KCSVEN]

Quick ALL-22 review this week, not as much free time this week and next so will not start own thread as not as in depth.

Is it players or coaches? Both. Many plays in this game showed it is both.

Positives:
-Layden Robinson played his best game. I thought he was pretty bad every other game so not as great as it sounds but this is the first game he played I thought he might actually end up an NFL starter. He had the holding call, kind of a weird hold IMO but was called and can see why ref did but kind of questionable. He totally whiffed in the red zone on 3rd and 1, totally whiffed a 2nd level block early in the game. However, was one of the few guys getting actual push on the line (Onwenu the other) and his pass blocking was solid. Arizona is not great on the line but major step forward IMO.
-Gonzalez and Maye continue to show they are stars.
-Marcus Jones is a player, is sad to see he has more YAC ability than any receiver on the team. You can see what a Travis Hunter at WR could do.
-Dell Pettus got beat a couple times but they had him on McBride 1 on 1 quite a bit and he should have had help. The few times McBride was covered by Dugger or Peppers they couldn't stay within 5 yards.
-I thought Barmore had his best game, not back to last year but a step forward.

-They have some players that can help moving forward.

-Lowe had his worst game in a long time, Ben Brown was terrible also. Onwenu was good, Jacobs was solid and Robinson was Ok but for him that's actually a big step up.
-In terms of coaching, if you are going to see what the younger players can do, why don't you play them?
-Alex Austin 25 snaps but J Jones gets 42? Austin was OK in this game, got beat a few times but wasn't thrown to, still shows some closing speed but, again, seems to need it too often as he has trouble sticking with receivers. Would like to see him get more snaps and see what happens.
-Pettus gets 18 snaps yet Dugger and Peppers are 70 and 69. Peppers took bad angles all game long. Dugger looked the best he has but still lacks coverage skills and took a bad angle on the big Dortch play.

Reviewing some of the important/interesting plays in the game
-The play call that caused the Kraft's to look miffed: Lowe missed his bock right away, at the same time Henry AND Robinson both whiffed on their second level blocks. 3 missed blocks on the play. So not sure the play call was the issue, that 1 was on the players.
-The big play to Dortch was a sample of bad players and bad coaching. They had M. Jones and Pettus covering 2 guys. It was a WR screen and because it was thrown behind the line the TE was legally allowed to block Jones as ball was in the air. Pettus probably should have seen that and switched, but the coaching on that was poor as they were in man and neither CB looked to switch. Peppers then took a bad angle and Dugger then missed an open field tackle. It was a good play call but poorly defended which was the fault of the defensive coaching and the players.
-Final TD run at the goal line for the Cards the alignment made it easy, Card had basically 4 blockers on 2 guys in the hole they ran thru. Terrible defensive alignment, that was on the coaches.
-On the Pats 3rd and 1 Robinson blew a block and then on the 4th and 1 Lowe missed a block causing Sow at FB to have to block his guy, leaving the LB unblocked to fill the hole.

Here are some off-season moves:
1-Sign Cam Robinson, he's not great but he's solid and a step up and probably the best that will actually be available.
2-Sign Higgins, if he gets to free agency he's easily the #1 target, overpay f you must
3-If you do those 2 things then draft Hunter. He's by far the best prospect so just do it.
4-If you do all the above I'd then go after Chase Young, yeah he's been disappointing, but he is probably the best edge rusher FA, Reddick might be a sneaky other option.

Alternative:
The other option is to trade down, if you can find someone to give you enough capital that you can trade back up to the end of the first, take Carter and trade back up for someone like Emeka Egbuka
Carter is the best edge rush prospect in the draft but not sure he's a 3 down player but in a weak draft he'd be the best option. I'm 100% in on Hunter but I'm not going to ignore all trade possibilities or ignore the fact he might not be there when they pick.

 

[Real fan 02]

I like Mike Vrabel too he Won a NFL Playoffs game and have NFL Coaching experience. IF the Krafts let the Jets get him we'll be the doormats of the Division for years to come. Allen is going into his prime: Tua is undefeated against us as a Starter. Vrabel to the Jets???

I hope is doesn't happen. I really like Vrabel. He should have been hired last season. I just really hope RK &JK realize that they made a mistake with Mayo. Even at 3-11 there supposed to be growth improvement.. Drake is a born leader he was going to play well in any organization. We need the right HC for Maye's sake.

 

[PatsFan2]

@KCSVEN we might have to get Two Offensive Tackles in FA. That's the way I see it right now V Lowe belongs on a PS. I been advocating your Offseason moves. IF Cam Robinson and Tee Higgins are not ours come FA: we'll be up ****s creek without a paddle.

 

[PatsFan2]

I hope is doesn't happen. I really like Vrabel. He should have been hired last season. I just really hope RK &JK realize that they made a mistake with Mayo. Even at 3-11 there supposed to be growth improvement.. Drake is a born leader he was going to play well in any organization. We need the right HC for Maye's sake.

That's what we've been saying after he was put in.

 

[The Gr8est]

I hope is doesn't happen. I really like Vrabel. He should have been hired last season. I just really hope RK &JK realize that they made a mistake with Mayo. Even at 3-11 there supposed to be growth improvement.. Drake is a born leader he was going to play well in any organization. We need the right HC for Maye's sake.

The biggest risk is failing Drake to the point that he wants out.

That is on the Krafts to ensure he gets the support and that does not happen.

Bob’s ego will just have to man up and take it.