2025 NFL Draft Order Tracker (Tracking the Patriots Draft Position)

[Ring 6]

You have all the answers. We all noticed it.

So tell me kind sir, how do we know that a team with the same record as another, who lost to a 4 and 13 team, wouldn't also lose to the a team who is 3 and and 14, like the team with the same record as them did?

With such a condescending, stupid and simplisric response, I expect a real answer that is so convincing that I would have no choice but to immediately capitulate and apologize.

Do not disappoint.

When you break a tie between 2 teams in any way you never “know who win win other games against other teams”. You select a criteria. The selected criteria is that if you had the same record the team that accconplished it against the lesser schedule did worse. To think for that to be an acceptable tie breaker you would have to prove they would have won more or less games against someone else’s schedule is batshit crazy.

 

[festy1986]

When you break a tie between 2 teams in any way you never “know who win win other games against other teams”. You select a criteria. The selected criteria is that if you had the same record the team that accconplished it against the lesser schedule did worse. To think for that to be an acceptable tie breaker you would have to prove they would have won more or less games against someone else’s schedule is batshit crazy.

That's not what I said. Work on your comprehension.

 

[Ian]

Does the strength of schedule number count all 17 opponents on the schedule or only the ones that have already been played?

It counts all of the opponents, and obviously whatever games those teams have already played.

 

[dliverey44]

Does the strength of schedule number count all 17 opponents on the schedule or only the ones that have already been played?

Tankathon using all 17 opponents.

 

[Ian]

Tankathon using all 17 opponents.

He’s talking about the one that I set up here after @Ross12 and I figured out how they did it, which like theirs uses the same formulas, including that opp win pct:

2025 NFL Draft Order

2025 NFL Draft Order Tracker if the Season Ended Today.

www.patsfans.com

I have it set up here, but highlighting where New England picks, and it updates after I update each of the games here.

 

[Ring 6]

It counts all of the opponents, and obviously whatever games those teams have already played.

Thanks. I was covered if only counted games already played since our last 4 would impact it negatively if they were in the Calc.

 

[Ian]

Thanks. I was covered if only counted games already played since our last 4 would impact it negatively if they were in the Calc.

You might not be then. Every opponent on the schedule for every club is in the calculation, along with every game each of those teams have played.

 

[Ring 6]

That's not what I said. Work on your comprehension.

Sure it is you said strength of schedule isn’t a good criteria because “how do we know the teams playing the harder teams wouldn't also lose to the easy teams?

 

[Ring 6]

You might not be then. Every opponent on the schedule for every club is in the calculation, along with every game each of those teams have played.

“Covered” was a typo for “concerned” and you addressed that concern. Thanks.

 

[Ian]

“Covered” was a typo for “concerned” and you addressed that concern. Thanks.

Just keep in mind that how every opponent New England has on its schedule this season finishes will still impact its strength of schedule, it's not limited to who is left. Same as the other teams they're in contention with for a top pick.

 

[festy1986]

Sure it is you said strength of schedule isn’t a good criteria because “how do we know the teams playing the harder teams wouldn't also lose to the easy teams?

This is word salad. I said why is playing the easier teams the tiebreak.

Clearly you can't comprehend why the team that had it worse is the team that had the same record but had harder competition.

Why do you reward the ****ty team for having the same record and a easier time doing it.

You and the NFL have it backwards.

 

[Ian]

This is word salad. I said why is playing the easier teams the tiebreak.

Clearly you can't comprehend why the team that had it worse is the team that had the same record but had harder competition.

Why do you reward the ****ty team for having the same record and a easier time doing it.

You and the NFL have it backwards.

They view it as "if you can't even beat easy teams, you must be pretty awful and need the best talent available since you can't even beat bad teams." So it makes sense from that standpoint, I guess. Although I hear you on the NFL ... they definitely don't make a lot of sense on quite a few things.

 

[festy1986]

They view it as "if you can't even beat easy teams, you must be pretty awful and need the best talent available since you can't even beat bad teams." So it makes sense from that standpoint, I guess. Although I hear you on the NFL ... they definitely don't make a lot of sense on quite a few things.

Right but how do we determine that the team that lost to the harder teams, also wouldn't lose to the easy teams? Like if Team A and B switched schedules, who knows if they both still finish with the same record.

So we give the tiebreak to the team who's opponents had a combined total of less wins than the next team.

That doesn't really make sense to me because it could be literally 1 game, with thousands of variables. None of it is "equal" so I don't find that tiebreaker to be particularly interesting.

 

[Ian]

Right but how do we determine that the team that lost to the harder teams, also wouldn't lose to the easy teams? Like if Team A and B switched schedules, who knows if they both still finish with the same record.

So we give the tiebreak to the team who's opponents had a combined total of less wins than the next team.

That doesn't really make sense to me because it could be literally 1 game, with thousands of variables. None of it is "equal" so I don't find that tiebreaker to be particularly interesting.

I don’t disagree. It just then comes down to trying to figure out a more “fair” way to do it, vs just sticking to this current formula. Having put this together, this is honestly the first time I’ve really ever looked at “strength of schedule” and as you said, it’s sort of out of each team’s control so I totally hear what you’re saying. I just don’t know what the alternative would be.

 

[Ring 6]

This is word salad. I said why is playing the easier teams the tiebreak.

Clearly you can't comprehend why the team that had it worse is the team that had the same record but had harder competition.

Why do you reward the ****ty team for having the same record and a easier time doing it.

You and the NFL have it backwards.

Draft slots reward the worst teams for being bad. That’s his it has always been in every sport.
Every in the world realizes that a team that is 3-14 against a schedule with a winning % of .400 did worse than a team that was 3-14 against a schedule with a winning % of .600. That’s why they pick earlier. Duh.

 

[festy1986]

Draft slots reward the worst teams for being bad. That’s his it has always been in every sport.
Every in the world realizes that a team that is 3-14 against a schedule with a winning % of .400 did worse than a team that was 3-14 against a schedule with a winning % of .600. That’s why they pick earlier. Duh.

It's way over your head.

The fact that both teams don't even play the same schedule is more than enough to call ******** on how the tiebreaker is decided.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The fact that both teams don't even play the same schedule is more than enough to call ******** on how the tiebreaker is decided.

I agree.

How would you determine the tie breaker? There are always going to a number of teams tied with the same bad record so finding a multiple team tie breaker is not easy.

 

[festy1986]

I agree.

How would you determine the tie breaker? There are always going to a number of teams tied with the same bad record so finding a multiple team tie breaker is not easy.

I'm not sure but I know I don't like the idea of using strength of schedule when both teams with the worst record could be playing upwards of 12 or 13 different teams. That's wild.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm not sure but I know I don't like the idea of using strength of schedule when both teams with the worst record could be playing upwards of 12 or 13 different teams. That's wild.

Statistically when you have a bunch of random items the results tend to average out. 17 teams is a bunch of items.

I think any way of doing it is going to have holes (be a bit wild).

 

[borg]

I'm satisfied with the current slotting procedure, and let's not forget the draft order for non-playoff teams with tied records is cycled in subsequent rounds of the draft to mitigate the advantage for teams that benefit most under this strength of schedule application.

Once the order for the first round is determined as described above, the selection order remains the same for subsequent rounds with the exception of teams with identical records within their tier. These tied teams "cycle" picks in each subsequent round. For example, in the 2014 draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers all finished 4–12, and selected in that order in the first round (based on the tiebreakers described above). In the second round, Jacksonville cycled to the back of the line with the order becoming Cleveland, Oakland, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and Jacksonville. That cycling continued in each round.

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