Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Foxypats]

It takes more than one year for a GM to put his stamp on the team. This team is still mostly Belichick's.

Maybe it takes more than a year however he should have done more that just the 'Maye' pick. He did nothing else. Even if we could not attract FA's, his draft should have been much better. Everyone says the roster was terrible and the cupboard was bare. His draft should have knocked it out of the park. There is not one draft person except for Maye that I am excited about. A couple of them might make a second year leap but I am not holding my breath. If we have another draft and free agency like this last one then the results are going to be the same as this year . I have seen zero improvement from last year, in fact the team is overall worse than last year !!!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I firmly believe there will be a coaching adjustment on the defense. The defense is in Mayo's wheel house, the continued continuity was there with the coaches Brian, pelligrino, covington. Bringing in a Steve wilks would be great for Mayo and the defense.

It appears that Mayo might be low IQ. Wilks can't fix low IQ.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Maybe it takes more than a year however he should have done more that just the 'Maye' pick. He did nothing else. Even if we could not attract FA's, his draft should have been much better. Everyone says the roster was terrible and the cupboard was bare. His draft should have knocked it out of the park. There is not one draft person except for Maye that I am excited about. A couple of them might make a second year leap but I am not holding my breath. If we have another draft and free agency like this last one then the results are going to be the same as this year . I have seen zero improvement from last year, in fact the team is overall worse than last year !!!

Wolf signed Hooper in FA who I like more than Gesicki . Wolf also drafted Pettus who looks OK.

If those are a GM's wins, how bad is the GM?

 

[Foxypats]

Wolf signed Hooper in FA who I like more than Gesicki . Wolf also drafted Pettus who looks OK.

If those are a GM's wins, how bad is the GM?

You're right, I forgot about Hooper. I was thinking actually more about the O-line and Dline. The biggest disappointments this year and no true #1 WR.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You're right, I forgot about Hooper. I was thinking actually more about the O-line and Dline. The biggest disappointments this year and no true #1 WR.

I was being polite. Wolf's performance in 2024 is abysmal. Early in the season, Wolf said at a press conference that he liked our OL. Being so dumb to publicly admit to having no football evaluation skill disqualifies him to be a GM. Everything else, lousy FA, one of the worse drafts ever, etc., is icing on the cake.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Huh? So? What does that have to do with margin of victory?

Because of the rule changes, it has been way easier for most offenses to score points. It took around 10 years after the rules went into effect for the league to get to where it is now. Because of this, defenses are less sophisticated and they all look the same.

So comparing the two era’s doesn’t tell the full story.

No team has any identity which makes it so boring to watch.

 

[Real fan 02]

It appears that Mayo might be low IQ. Wilks can't fix low IQ.

I don't know that he's low IQ. He was on bills staff if so then that speaks to more to bill than anything. But I'm really disappointed in the defense I wasn't expecting much from the offense outside of Drake playing.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't know that he's low IQ. He was on bills staff if so then that speaks to more to bill than anything. But I'm really disappointed in the defense I wasn't expecting much from the offense outside of Drake playing.

Mayo threw a challenge to flag to change a catch so the other team could accept a penalty against us. And lost the challenge. And defended the blunder later on. You have to be pretty dumb to throw the challenge flag in that situation, and even dumber to try to defend the action after reflection.

 

[Real fan 02]

Mayo threw a challenge to flag to change a catch so the other team could accept a penalty against us. And lost the challenge. And defended the blunder later on. You have to be pretty dumb to throw the challenge flag in that situation, and even dumber to try to defend the action after reflection.

Yeah.. well he wanted to be a HC so this is what he asked for!

 

[archstanton543]

Maybe it takes more than a year however he should have done more that just the 'Maye' pick. He did nothing else.

We used to say players taken outside the first round take a year or two to develop. Now we expect them to be amazing right away. What changed?

 

[Real fan 02]

We used to say players taken outside the first round take a year or two to develop. Now we expect them to be amazing right away. What changed?

People tend to forget Allen didn't take off until Diggs came along. Get Drake that "guy" Drake will take off to the next level next season.

 

[archstanton543]

You're right, I forgot about Hooper. I was thinking actually more about the O-line and Dline. The biggest disappointments this year and no true #1 WR.

Gibson was a good signing as well, when they remember to use him. But the RB's have been asked to stay in and block on passing downs which takes them out of the passing game on 3rd down.

 

[Real fan 02]

Gibson was a good signing as well, when they remember to use him. But the RB's have been asked to stay in and block on passing downs which takes them out of the passing game on 3rd down.

I've sad the same things gibby is an all purpose back he's underutilized in the offense.. he's a perfect back to have but they rather use hasty

 

[gobesmug]

One factor at GM you have to give credit for is cap space. Pats have just under 38 million in cap space with a projected 132.5 mil next season.

Wolf didn't overspend for declining vets like the Jets did. This year's FA was terrible with hardly any young talent at positions of need available.

Wolf might not have built the roster in 1 year as a superbowl contender but with the cap space available he has left plenty of room to make a splash in what is hopefully a much more talented FA.

Does that mean I think Wolf is a great GM? No, but you have to give credit where credit is due. Maybe we get Ben Johnson next year at HC and the pairing with Wolf turns into something great.

 

[The Gr8est]

One factor at GM you have to give credit for is cap space. Pats have just under 38 million in cap space with a projected 132.5 mil next season.

Wolf didn't overspend for declining vets like the Jets did. This year's FA was terrible with hardly any young talent at positions of need available.

Wolf might not have built the roster in 1 year as a superbowl contender but with the cap space available he has left plenty of room to make a splash in what is hopefully a much more talented FA.

Does that mean I think Wolf is a great GM? No, but you have to give credit where credit is due. Maybe we get Ben Johnson next year at HC and the pairing with Wolf turns into something great.

Or maybe Ben Johnson has his own GM in mind if he moves to run another team.

 

[turkeyneck]

I firmly believe there will be a coaching adjustment on the defense. The defense is in Mayo's wheel house, the continued continuity was there with the coaches Brian, pelligrino, covington. Bringing in a Steve wilks would be great for Mayo and the defense.

Isn't he the guy who took over for Jerry Springer? Perfect choice...

 

[festy1986]

Wolfe already bombed pick 34. I don't trust this man.

 

[gobesmug]

Or maybe Ben Johnson has his own GM in mind if he moves to run another team.

Maybe, but if he doesn't he might appreciate going into a situation where he will have a ton of cap space to fill out the roster.

Plus a GM who is willing to be forward thinking instead of making panicked moves for over the hill and over priced FAs.

 

[Vindicate]

Because of the rule changes, it has been way easier for most offenses to score points. It took around 10 years after the rules went into effect for the league to get to where it is now. Because of this, defenses are less sophisticated and they all look the same.

So comparing the two era’s doesn’t tell the full story.

No team has any identity which makes it so boring to watch.

Interesting, I have come to believe that the rule changes have simplified offenses and made them worse in the long run (2024 is the 4th year of a decrease in PPG, and it's quite the tumble. 2024 league avg PPG=22.6, 2001=20.2) while defenses have become very, very technical. I mean, they had to exchange brutishness (physicality) for cerebral play. Good CB's today's are unreal. Gilmore is a perfect example. LB's are more often in coverage.

Now, if you really wanna get in the weeds, you can take a look at outliers that throw off that average between the years, and see if there's a trend developing there. Are we more often seeing a league with two, maybe three teams that can actually score at a high rate, and the rest suck? While earlier years it was a lot more consistent from top to bottom?

I think there you could find a really interesting truth that would unveil league parity trends, overall product decline, and more.

Regardless, kinda hilarious to see the NFL's pivot to ratings actually make a mediocre product trending towards lower scoring lmao.

 

[lancerman]

Maybe it takes more than a year however he should have done more that just the 'Maye' pick. He did nothing else. Even if we could not attract FA's, his draft should have been much better. Everyone says the roster was terrible and the cupboard was bare. His draft should have knocked it out of the park. There is not one draft person except for Maye that I am excited about. A couple of them might make a second year leap but I am not holding my breath. If we have another draft and free agency like this last one then the results are going to be the same as this year . I have seen zero improvement from last year, in fact the team is overall worse than last year !!!

It's weird because he's made mistakes but it's also tough to pin everything on him.

-He did in fact hit on the position he most needed to hit on. There was enough debate that we should trade down or get a top end lineman or generational WR. Maye was probably the safer move, but it wasn't the lay up people said.

-free agency was thrown through a loop when the cap went up as much as it did. There were a lot of talented players expected to be on the market and be within range of the Patriots that ended up staying with their teams. Yes there were some areas we could have maybe made a play for guys who could have been marginal improvements. But let's be real, a lot of fans here saw our cap space and were convinced we were going to make a big haul and that died the minute the cap increased.

-At that point, yeah there was a sensible argument to be made that just pushing it to next year because the situation wasn't as good was a more prudent move than giving out longer contracts when we were still rebuilding.

-On the downside, the Polk pick is a ****ing disaster and wasted a very high pick while going against the grain of what the consensus move was.

-Major positions of need were not really addressed at all when they probably should have overextended a bit. Tbf, it seems like we did on WR and players just didn't want to come here or had a preferred location elsewhere.


On both Wolf and Mayo, I'm kind of in the camp of "they inherited a bad situation, this clearly isn't a roster any of them feels is fully made or ready to make a run" they probably should get another year to show they are heading in the right direction before we go full Jets and restart from scratch.