Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[captain stone]

That's a clear as crystal sign of a locker room Not being held accountable for its actions.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's a clear as crystal sign of a locker room Not being held accountable for its actions.

I have no problem with not getting too high after wins or too low after losses but smiling and a "light mood" after getting pummeled doesn't sit well with me at all.

That's not the culture Mayo should be encouraging.

 

[Nunchucks]

The problem is that the players are not focused. It's Mayo"s job to help focus the team. He is failing at that.

The defense is also a bit of a mess. But, it goes back to focus and attention to detail. They need to do better

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What does this even mean? Stay away from established coaches? We tried that with Mayo and it's a complete failure. The Titans tried this, the Browns, Bears, Jets, Colts, Panthers all hired 'up and coming' coaches and they've all failed or are failing. The Colts, Panthers and Titans hired up and coming offensive coaches, they all look like failures.

Ben Johnson may be good and his offense certainly looks great, but he's not coming with Dan Campbell. We've seen brilliant OCs go on to become HCs and they fail because they're not leaders.

Give me a proven leader of football teams and let that guy hire his staff. Harbaugh is doing this now with the Chargers who finally corrected their mistake of going after the 'up and coming guy' and hired a legit HC who knows what he's doing. They had a QB and now they finally have their HC.

There is no magic approach. What does not work is a half in and half out approach. We need to hire a new HC and let him build the staff. We need to hire someone who can build a staff unlike Mayo who had no connections and had to hire guys off the street.

What does "proven leader of football teams" even mean? If he is a proven successful leader, with a few exceptions, he would not be looking for a job. J Harbaugh we agree on. But he is now taken because we tried the RK half in and half out approach. Who is your proven leader?

Maye is very dynamic and smart. We need a top offensive mind like Ben Johnson in charge. I prefer to switch from a defensive minded HC to an offensive minded HC.

We also have to work out a new GM. Again be clear in the relationship between the GM and coach, with no ambiguity like the owner having constant oversight.

 

[captain stone]

I will say Polk looks like a bust and was noted as a bad pick by many at the time so that's on Wolf and those guys.
The other guys drafted generally equate to 1-2 rotational players in an average draft. The hit rate is small in the 3rd round and on but, yeah when building a team you need to hit on 4 guys in a draft that can start at least at some point.
Wallace and Robinson still maybe, Dell Pettus is better than any safety currently playing so the draft/UDFA being good comes down to whether Robinson and Wallace, and potentially Baker, grow into players. Jury out...

Currently playing on the Patriots, I hope you mean.

 

[archstanton543]

The problem is that the players are not focused. It's Mayo"s job to help focus the team. He is failing at that.

The defense is also a bit of a mess. But, it goes back to focus and attention to detail. They need to do better

Can the coaches do better? I don't think they can. Unfortunately, I think they're trying their hardest but they're just not good at their jobs.

 

[TheRainMaker]

What other NFL head coach in the modern era was hired who didn't first have a successful coordinator gig?

They are very rare, but here's who I can think of:

Jim Tomsula. Mike Singletary before him.
Mike McDaniel was a run game coordinator, but not an OC.
Dan Campbell.
Antonio Pierce and Jerod Mayo are the latest.

 

[Tunescribe]

I have no problem with not getting too high after wins or too low after losses but smiling and a "light mood" after getting pummeled doesn't sit well with me at all.

That's not the culture Mayo should be encouraging.

About as bad as encouraging it is ALLOWING it. I'm beginning to wonder how much losing really bothers Mayo, he's just too matter-of-fact about getting pantsed and spanked. I almost wish he'd throw a tantrum vs. this Mr. Cool taking things in stride routine he's perfected.

 

[archstanton543]

They are very rare, but here's who I can think of:

Jim Tomsula. Mike Singletary before him.
Mike McDaniel was a run game coordinator, but not an OC.
Dan Campbell.
Antonio Pierce and Jerod Mayo are the latest.

McDaniel was the OC for the 9ers.

 

[rogerthat]

I will say Polk looks like a bust and was noted as a bad pick by many at the time so that's on Wolf and those guys.
The other guys drafted generally equate to 1-2 rotational players in an average draft. The hit rate is small in the 3rd round and on but, yeah when building a team you need to hit on 4 guys in a draft that can start at least at some point.
Wallace and Robinson still maybe, Dell Pettus is better than any safety currently playing so the draft/UDFA being good comes down to whether Robinson and Wallace, and potentially Baker, grow into players. Jury out.

Free Agency they get a bit of a pass as nobody good would come here, next off-season is make or break. Will it matter if Mayo is still the coach?

I wonder how much of the other guys, outside Polk, not contributing is a factor of the coaching staff being poor.

I think you are 100% right, BB going correct call, hiring Mayo, bad call. They can correct it, now the HC position has some appeal due to Maye. Maybe Kraft turns over the team to Jonathan and steps aside and Jonathan can make that decision as I don't think Kraft will do it after 1 year, unfortunately.

It's become a trendy argument that the jury is still out on our rookies other than Maye. On the Toucher and Hardy show this morning, one of the hosts (I can't remember which one) tried to make the comparison of our rookies to Julian Edelman as a rookie. Problem is, Edelman showed a lot of promise as a rookie. People were raving about him in camp, and he generally made the most of the opportunities that he was given when he was in there. Compare that to our rookies who have flashed by getting run over in pass protection, or committing stupid penalties, or repeatedly dropping the football, or saying stupid things to the media.
I'd argue that the chances of 3-4 of them becoming really good (which is really what we need) are pretty much 0. In fact, I'd be shocked if even 1 of them ever became as good as Edelman.

Even some of the previous year's draftees that are widely considered busts, like Easley for instance, showed more at the beginning. It's a quaint pipe dream that these guys are going to turn into a great draft class, let's be honest.

 

[TheRainMaker]

McDaniel was the OC for the 9ers.

By title. He only designed the run game.

Kyle calls plays.

 

[archstanton543]

By title. He only designed the run game.

Kyle calls plays.

The guy has OC title
Is not OC.

Have another cup of coffee, my friend.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The guy has OC title
Is not OC.

Have another cup of coffee, my friend.

Jerod Mayo was offered the title of "DC" last season, but declined. He also didn't call the plays. And we all know who was designing the defense.

 

[turkeyneck]

Can anyone hack the big screen at Gillette to run an in-game poll re if Mayo should be fired?

Whatever happened to those MIT guys who hacked the Harvard/Yale football game?

 

[lancerman]

What does this even mean? Stay away from established coaches? We tried that with Mayo and it's a complete failure. The Titans tried this, the Browns, Bears, Jets, Colts, Panthers all hired 'up and coming' coaches and they've all failed or are failing. The Colts, Panthers and Titans hired up and coming offensive coaches, they all look like failures.

Ben Johnson may be good and his offense certainly looks great, but he's not coming with Dan Campbell. We've seen brilliant OCs go on to become HCs and they fail because they're not leaders.

Give me a proven leader of football teams and let that guy hire his staff. Harbaugh is doing this now with the Chargers who finally corrected their mistake of going after the 'up and coming guy' and hired a legit HC who knows what he's doing. They had a QB and now they finally have their HC.

It means Bill’s coaching tree is dogshit and Bill’s philosophy was passed by the league in favor of offensive coaches a long time before he was fired. The league is different now.

Retreads rarely work work out. Bill and Andy Reid are exceptions and the QB was a huge part of changing their results.

You need a Shanahan, McVay, McDaniel type that can create an offense that can break the league

 

[RobertWeathers]

About as bad as encouraging it is ALLOWING it. I'm beginning to wonder how much losing really bothers Mayo, he's just too matter-of-fact about getting pantsed and spanked. I almost wish he'd throw a tantrum vs. this Mr. Cool taking things in stride routine he's perfected.

Yea not sure.

My belief is he cares deeply about winning and losing but almost as important to him is he wants an environment that is not the awkward, uncomfortableness that was BB but a more collaborative, open, culture where players can be themselves.

Sorry but if this report is true, I don't agree with losing be treated casually.

 

[KCSVEN]

It's become a trendy argument that the jury is still out on our rookies other than Maye. On the Toucher and Hardy show this morning, one of the hosts (I can't remember which one) tried to make the comparison of our rookies to Julian Edelman as a rookie. Problem is, Edelman showed a lot of promise as a rookie. People were raving about him in camp, and he generally made the most of the opportunities that he was given when he was in there. Compare that to our rookies who have flashed by getting run over in pass protection, or committing stupid penalties, or repeatedly dropping the football, or saying stupid things to the media.
I'd argue that the chances of 3-4 of them becoming really good (which is really what we need) are pretty much 0. In fact, I'd be shocked if even 1 of them ever became as good as Edelman.

Even some of the previous year's draftees that are widely considered busts, like Easley for instance, showed more at the beginning. It's a quaint pipe dream that these guys are going to turn into a great draft class, let's be honest.

Except, IMO, Robinson and Wallace have both shown ability or talent to play in this league and Baker has shown some physical talent but needs lots of mental work. But, yeah, the odds of all 3 overcoming slow starts is not great, but not out of the question until we see them in year 2.

 

[captain stone]

Except, IMO, Robinson and Wallace have both shown ability or talent to play in this league and Baker has shown some physical talent but needs lots of mental work. But, yeah, the odds of all 3 overcoming slow starts is not great, but not out of the question until we see them in year 2.

Not One of those three stiffs should've been drafted where they were drafted; so they'll always fall short of expectations.

Meet the New boss; same as the Old boss.

 

[condon84]

There is no magic approach. What does not work is a half in and half out approach. We need to hire a new HC and let him build the staff. We need to hire someone who can build a staff unlike Mayo who had no connections and had to hire guys off the street.

What does "proven leader of football teams" even mean? If he is a proven successful leader, with a few exceptions, he would not be looking for a job. J Harbaugh we agree on. But he is now taken because we tried the RK half in and half out approach. Who is your proven leader?

Maye is very dynamic and smart. We need a top offensive mind like Ben Johnson in charge. I prefer to switch from a defensive minded HC to an offensive minded HC.

We also have to work out a new GM. Again be clear in the relationship between the GM and coach, with no ambiguity like the owner having constant oversight.

I would take Vrabel. He did good work in Tennessee, was lauded for building a good culture, won coach of the year and took his team to the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was there. Mike would build a good football program here. He would have a much better QB than he had in Tennessee.

I would not be mad at a Ben Johnson hire but that comes with more risk imo.

 

[Love The Drake]

I would take Vrabel. He did good work in Tennessee, was lauded for building a good culture, won coach of the year and took his team to the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was there. Mike would build a good football program here. He would have a much better QB than he had in Tennessee.

I would not be mad at a Ben Johnson hire but that comes with more risk imo.

Ben Johnson, Kellen Moore, Josh McDaniels.
Need a offensive coach.