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PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL Postgame Thread: Patriots fall 28-22 to the Rams

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Well, from the "glass-half-full" diary...
We have essentially the same record as the Cowboys. But who would you rather be right now?

Pats are losing some close games, but we're climbing out of the basement with a lot to be hopeful about.
The Cowboys are watching their 8-year window get slammed shut.
 
A "cut" with the intention of putting him on the PS isn't the same as a cut like they just did with Thornton.
By cut that's what I meant , I don't see a place for him on 53 next year unless we have an injury. They need to pay their b$-$- off to get a spot. Tyquan leeway will not be present for both as they don't have the x factor that tyquan had. Their skill sets mirror Bourne and Boutte to a great degree.
 
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I'm having a hard time following how that changes anything. The team still had a chance to win the last 4 games. They are definitely trending up. Better coaching and Oline play and this team will be in a better spot.
 
Yeah that's on polk.. I can't put that on coaching.. players have to be accountable as well.
You know that, I know that, even Mayo knows that Polk's mistake had a huge impact. The problem is that finger pointing is bad form. The coach to put all of the blame on him in the press is not the way to help develop a struggling rookie or gain the trust of the rest of the locker room. There are much better ways to make the point.
 
We have a capable young QB for the first time in years. We should have expected that the personnel on offense and defense (post injuries to the back end) were going to be an issue. I'm a bit disappointed that coaching hasn't been able to compensate for some of these losses, but I can't be too upset with what we're seeing in total right now. It was never gonna be great.
 
You know that, I know that, even Mayo knows that Polk's mistake had a huge impact. The problem is that finger pointing is bad form. The coach to put all of the blame on him in the press is not the way to help develop a struggling rookie or gain the trust of the rest of the locker room. There are much better ways to make the point.
Yes true. I chalk it up to every coach has methods and messaging in thier own ways they reach the players. I get it it's not always popular the way mayo makes comments and things but that is him and his personality and his coaching style. There is always diff snd more effective ways to do things. Let's not forget he's a rookie HC himself
 
Yes true. I chalk it up to every coach has methods and messaging in thier own ways they reach the players. I get it it's not always popular the way mayo makes comments and things but that is him and his personality and his coaching style. There is always diff snd more effective ways to do things. Let's not forget he's a rookie HC himself
Fair point. My real issue with the statement is that Mayo does not seem to be learning from his mistakes with the press. I can't see how repeatedly creating needless controversy is a sustainable methodology for building team culture.
 
Fair point. My real issue with the statement is that Mayo does not seem to be learning from his mistakes with the press. I can't see how repeatedly creating needless controversy is a sustainable methodology for building team culture.
I get your points. I often wonder myself at times what exactly is he saying or trying to say. I feel like he's try to balance being himself and transparent with being the HC and everything he says and does is under a microscope.
 
You had a good day weather wise
Hope your bro and yourself had a good day

It was a fantastic day, thanks! Section 109 row 33, wore only my tee-shirt until the 4th quarter when the sun fell behind the upper deck across from us... Our rookie QB finished the game on his feet, we improved our draft position, and more people saw even more evidence that the two children upstairs, the defensive Coordinator, and the two bozos "coaching" our WRs should ALL be Fired... for starters.
 
You know that, I know that, even Mayo knows that Polk's mistake had a huge impact. The problem is that finger pointing is bad form. The coach to put all of the blame on him in the press is not the way to help develop a struggling rookie or gain the trust of the rest of the locker room. There are much better ways to make the point.

I generally agree, though perhaps Mayo has already tried telling him these things in private; so when the carrot doesn't work...
 
I were the Krafts, I would have a rigorously honest and private conversation with Drake Maye before the end of the season, the sole purpose for which would be to determine which coach - TC, AVP, whoever - has actually been of the most use to him in his development.
Have to disagree here for the reasons of hierarchical team dynamics over the long term. By that I mean, if the Krafts were to do this it sets a precedent of the QB having power over the entire organization - hirings, firings, who plays, who gets signed, etc. Teams must have a set hierarchy in power dynamics to function over the long term.

Owners do owner things, coaches do coaching things, players do player things, etc - with the requisite authorities of each role. Maye has shown all early indicators of being a good player (maybe even great). What has he shown to indicate he understands what it takes to be a good coach?

Further, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We just saw that play out with Belichick. He surrounded himself with Yes Men and made numerous poor decisions in a row without a hierarchy to check and balance the equation. Why would we hurriedly place another individual into a similar situation?

Now, simply asking for the TEAM'S input to the same as part of an annual review process across the entire organization by the owner - all players having a voice? Probably healthy if used as a holistic annual review (as the GM and coach automatically have that authority via their ability to sign/cut/play the players) process across the entire organization. But singling out one guy and setting that precedent - suddenly we've got Aaron Rogers doing the playing, GMing and coaching and we see how that's turned out for both the Packers and now Jets.
 
It was a fantastic day, thanks! Section 109 row 33, wore only my tee-shirt until the 4th quarter when the sun fell behind the upper deck across from us... Our rookie QB finished the game on his feet, we improved our draft position, and more people saw even more evidence that the two children upstairs, the defensive Coordinator, and the two bozos "coaching" our WRs should ALL be Fired... for starters.
Sunny side. High enough to enjoy the view
The only excitement I get watching them is because of Maye. I like what I see. Brings hope.
Boston sports fans are smart puppies.
We don’t watch just to rah rah. We know the game and how it should be played and coached.
Some teams are playing chess while we are playing Lego”s
 
Have to disagree here for the reasons of hierarchical team dynamics over the long term. By that I mean, if the Krafts were to do this it sets a precedent of the QB having power over the entire organization - hirings, firings, who plays, who gets signed, etc. Teams must have a set hierarchy in power dynamics to function over the long term.

Owners do owner things, coaches do coaching things, players do player things, etc - with the requisite authorities of each role. Maye has shown all early indicators of being a good player (maybe even great). What has he shown to indicate he understands what it takes to be a good coach?

Further, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We just saw that play out with Belichick. He surrounded himself with Yes Men and made numerous poor decisions in a row without a hierarchy to check and balance the equation. Why would we hurriedly place another individual into a similar situation?

Now, simply asking for the TEAM'S input to the same as part of an annual review process across the entire organization by the owner - all players having a voice? Probably healthy if used as a holistic annual review (as the GM and coach automatically have that authority via their ability to sign/cut/play the players) process across the entire organization. But singling out one guy and setting that precedent - suddenly we've got Aaron Rogers doing the playing, GMing and coaching and we see how that's turned out for both the Packers and now Jets.
That's well argued, and there are indeed risks associated with my little proposal. My belief is that Drake's character sufficiently mitigates those risks. So, I am not convinced, but your points are well made.
 
Have to disagree here for the reasons of hierarchical team dynamics over the long term. By that I mean, if the Krafts were to do this it sets a precedent of the QB having power over the entire organization - hirings, firings, who plays, who gets signed, etc. Teams must have a set hierarchy in power dynamics to function over the long term.

Owners do owner things, coaches do coaching things, players do player things, etc - with the requisite authorities of each role. Maye has shown all early indicators of being a good player (maybe even great). What has he shown to indicate he understands what it takes to be a good coach?

Further, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We just saw that play out with Belichick. He surrounded himself with Yes Men and made numerous poor decisions in a row without a hierarchy to check and balance the equation. Why would we hurriedly place another individual into a similar situation?

Now, simply asking for the TEAM'S input to the same as part of an annual review process across the entire organization by the owner - all players having a voice? Probably healthy if used as a holistic annual review (as the GM and coach automatically have that authority via their ability to sign/cut/play the players) process across the entire organization. But singling out one guy and setting that precedent - suddenly we've got Aaron Rogers doing the playing, GMing and coaching and we see how that's turned out for both the Packers and now Jets.
That ship sailed long ago, when TB12 was in his prime. The precedent faded as Brady aged, but it was clearly there.

I’m also unconvinced that the rigid caste hierarchy you advocate is necessary, necessarily best, or even realistic. It breaks down when competency doesn’t align with the hierarchy, for example the infamous “two amigos” OC experiment with Matt and Judge.

No good manager works in a vacuum. If they don’t give respect and consideration to everybody else the organization breaks down quickly. What we’ve been seeing is the failure of the rigid hierarchy, with Thunder doing his owner thing poorly, Mayo doing his HC thing like a rookie after BB did his HC thing like a crotchety old man.

It’s a team effort. A rigid hierarchy doesn’t assure good team performance and could even be inimical to it. Any good leader listens to their subordinates. What you’re promoting ignores that.

What Thelonious suggested is a good step towards team building IMO. It gives senior leadership an additional perspective to consider, and gives an important team member reassurance that he’s a valued contributor who is recognized and appreciated for his contributions.

Nowhere did he say Kraft had to do what Drake says. It’s another way to ensure good decision making by getting various perspectives. Too bad Kraft didn’t do that before deciding Mayo’s schmoozing met his essential requirement for a HC. And the funny thing is, subordinates are much happier even when you don’t take their advice, just because they were given a voice and feel recognized and appreciated.
 
Further, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We just saw that play out with Belichick. He surrounded himself with Yes Men and made numerous poor decisions in a row without a hierarchy to check and balance the equation. Why would we hurriedly place another individual into a similar situation?

That is one of the crappiest takes on Belichick's style that I've read in a while. Have you ever watched any videos of Belichick and his staff at work? Belichick and Brady working together? Belichick NEVER wanted "yes men". In fact, he was the exact opposite. Ernie Adams a "yes man"? C;mon.
 
That is one of the crappiest takes on Belichick's style that I've read in a while. Have you ever watched any videos of Belichick and his staff at work? Belichick and Brady working together? Belichick NEVER wanted "yes men". In fact, he was the exact opposite. Ernie Adams a "yes man"? C;mon.
Judge and Patricia were "yes men". His kids by definition were "yes men". Heck, I'm starting to think Mayo was a "yes man" who just knew the right things to say to Kraft.
 
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