Who Do You Trust To Make The Staff Changes?

[mgteich]

There are many options. Personally, I have some interest in discussion, little in polls, although that might be interesting. For me, polls can wait until the bye week.

1) Only minor changes are needed. Wolf, Mayo, AVP, McAdoo and Covington should be given 3-4 year to develop a team around Maye,

2) KRAFT should make (or require) necessary changes after the season, probably including the replacement/promotion of Wolf.

3) Mayo should make any necessary coordinator and coaching changes.

4) Wolf should make any necessary changes, including coaching and coordinator changes.

5) I do not trust Kraft, Wolf or Mayo. We have little chance with any of them making the decisions. We won't have any success until this situation changes.
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MY PERSONAL CHOICE is
that Wolf should be in charge for 2-3 years and be given a chance to build a team around Maye and make any coaching/coordinator changes that he deems appropriate, understanding that he might not be given the power to fire Mayo (but would be allowed to make Mayo a figurehead).

 

[maust]

In going with a HC that never so much as held a ful fledged (play calling) coordinator position I suspect Krafty Bob has painted himself into a corner as far as Mayo is concerned. At the very least, he'd look capricious if he fired Mayo. That being the case, both coordinators have got to go. Neither has shown they are remotely capable of making in game adjustments. Kraft/Wolf need to insist on top of the line proven coordinators. If that turns Mayo into a figurehead then so be it, there's only 4 years of an affordable QB left they can't be standing around squandering them.

 

[Clonamery]

In going with a HC that never so much as held a ful fledged (play calling) coordinator position I suspect Krafty Bob has painted himself into a corner as far as Mayo is concerned. At the very least, he'd look capricious if he fired Mayo. That being the case, both coordinators have got to go. Neither has shown they are remotely capable of making in game adjustments. Kraft/Wolf need to insist on top of the line proven coordinators. If that turns Mayo into a figurehead then so be it, there's only 4 years of an affordable QB left they can't be standing around squandering them.

Yup. I really don't trust any of them to make correct decisions in a vacuum but they can't sit around waiting for decisions to make themselves. Especially Kraft, as that mac and cheese gets cold fast. You can't just keep stirring it forever, at some point you have to make a decision and serve it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If Maye looks the part by season's end, but Mayo keeps up his coaching errors, getting overmatched by better teams and not winning more than 4 games, then the cord has to be cut now. The house needs to actually be cleaned this time.

Wolf has done the worst job I've seen since Bobby Grier in the late 90's.

 

[Love The Drake]

If Maye looks the part by season's end, but Mayo keeps up his coaching errors, getting overmatched by better teams and not winning more than 4 games, then the cord has to be cut now. The house needs to actually be cleaned this time.

Wolf has done the worst job I've seen since Bobby Grier in the late 90's.

Damn

 

[stinkypete]

If Maye looks the part by season's end, but Mayo keeps up his coaching errors, getting overmatched by better teams and not winning more than 4 games, then the cord has to be cut now. The house needs to actually be cleaned this time.

Wolf has done the worst job I've seen since Bobby Grier in the late 90's.

Wolf drafted a potential superstar QB.

As bad as he's been, what did Grier get us? Damian Woody and a bag of footballs?

 

[JohnJH]

I'll go with #5.

 

[maust]

Wolf has done the worst job I've seen since Bobby Grier in the late 90's.

 

[Ian]

There are many options. Personally, I have some interest in discussion, little in polls, although that might be interesting. For me, polls can wait until the bye week.

1) Only minor changes are needed. Wolf, Mayo, AVP, McAdoo and Covington should be given 3-4 year to develop a team around Maye,

2) KRAFT should make (or require) necessary changes after the season, probably including the replacement/promotion of Wolf.

3) Mayo should make any necessary coordinator and coaching changes.

4) Wolf should make any necessary changes, including coaching and coordinator changes.

5) I do not trust Kraft, Wolf or Mayo. We have little chance with any of them making the decisions. We won't have any success until this situation changes.
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MY PERSONAL CHOICE is
that Wolf should be in charge for 2-3 years and be given a chance to build a team around Maye and make any coaching/coordinator changes that he deems appropriate, understanding that he might not be given the power to fire Mayo (but would be allowed to make Mayo a figurehead).

I don't understand the irritation with Wolf. I think I'm misinterpreting that quote - or at least I hope I am. But Wolf was promoted this offseason, so I'm not sure what you meant by that.

Aside from having a boatload of money and no one who wanted to take it - without them grossly resetting the market - I don't have any issue with the efforts Wolf made this offseason, save for taking a chance on Okorafor. They got spurned a bunch due to having nothing but a hope and a promise about how the season would go. With Maye emerging, next March should be different now that they have a QB that can get whoever might come here the football.

Aside from that, draft-wise, he and Highsmith are solid. Not perfect, but far better than we've had in a while here. Granted, the verdict is out on Polk, but he started off the first three games pretty well before the drop off. I don't know what happened there, but I have more hope being patient with him than I do with Thornton at this point.

 

[Ian]

MY PERSONAL CHOICE is
that Wolf should be in charge for 2-3 years and be given a chance to build a team around Maye and make any coaching/coordinator changes that he deems appropriate, understanding that he might not be given the power to fire Mayo (but would be allowed to make Mayo a figurehead).

And I apologize for going off the rails...I've seen/heard a lot about him as of late so that is just a topic that boggles my my mind. I just realized you wrote that the way you did as a poll with some sarcasm.

With that out of the way, I agree with your personal choice. I think the key is going to be whether or not Wolf has the wherewithal to make a tough call should that time come and then make sure whoever else they bring in ends up being the right guy because I doubt he'll get many other opportunities to get it right if AVP ultimately flames out here.

 

[Pape]

First we need to make sure Big Enos (RKK) is far removed from the decision making process. President Emeritus sounds about right.

Then Little Enos (JK) needs to make a honest assessment of the ****-show that is occurring here. Then empower Wolf to do proper GM stuff. No more "collaborative efforts". One Voice. One Direction. Not three guys saying "I think we should..."

Unfortunately I think Mayo is bulletproof this year because he's "Bob's handjob picked guy". Some of the coaches need to be fired. ****ing fire them all. I don't care. Mayo/Wolf need to send the clear and concise message that "this is not good enough".

Maybe not have all brand new coordinators all at once during year 1/2 of a new rebuild? They really should have kept Steve Belichick in place as the DC. Instead they pass him over for captain noadjustments Demarcus Covington... ugh.

But really we desperately need to fire Mayo. We need a coach who knows what the **** is going on, knows what he is doing. Not a figurehead. I don't want to wait until Mayo "grows into the role". Thats just ****ing stupid.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Wolf drafted a potential superstar QB.

As bad as he's been, what did Grier get us? Damian Woody and a bag of footballs?

Katzenmoyer was pretty good his first season. The problem was, it was too little too late. The neck injury wrecked his career.

Woody wasn't very good and was so bad snapping the football, Bill had to sign Mike Compton in 2001. He was pretty underwhelming 1st round pick.

 

[Toofy]

Now give me one good reason as to why we should retain Mayo. What does he bring to the table ? Just one reason.

 

[Brotherblues]

Now give me one good reason as to why we should retain Mayo. What does he bring to the table ? Just one reason.

Reasons, plenty.

Good ones, none.

 

[borg]

Now give me one good reason as to why we should retain Mayo.

Kraft won't have to pay an artist to paint over Mayo's likeness in the Diversity Mural.

 

[n1997y]

Who do I trust to make the necessary staff changes?

The new owners not named Kraft.

Problem is, the only new owner in sight is Jonathan “Bain Capital” Kraft. S/b more appropriately spelled “bane” btw

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Why not let Robyn Glazer restructure the front office? She is EVP of Football Business.

 

[Clonamery]

Why not let Robyn Glazer restructure the front office? She is EVP of Football Business.

I think she can do more than redecorate the offices.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Aside from that, draft-wise, he and Highsmith are solid. Not perfect, but far better than we've had in a while here. Granted, the verdict is out on Polk, but he started off the first three games pretty well before the drop off. I don't know what happened there, but I have more hope being patient with him than I do with Thornton at this point.

I am not sure what you mean by "solid". The 2024 draft, with the exception of Maye, might be one of the worse alongside 2019. Polk has imploded. Wallace looked weak before getting injured. They tried Robinson (forced him into the lineup) last game and he was benched before halftime. Baker has done nothing due to his inability to remember plays. The rest of the picks are doing nothing. It is still early, but all indications are anything but "solid" for the 2024 draft. At the moment it is one of the worse drafts in 10 years, except for Maye.

The 2023 draft looks to one of the best in the last 20 years. Gonzo, White, Boutte, Douglas, Baringer, Sow, and Mapu is wearing the green dot on his helmet. J Andrews was solid before being hurt. Very good draft.

Not sure how you conclude that 2024 draft is "far better than what we have had here in awhile". 2023, just last year, is much better than 2024. Far better? Not better, but far better? Very confusing.

 

[DarrylS]

There is a lot of money on the table this year and next, $35 million this year and $135 million next year, after this past off season I have no confidence in Wolf to make this team better.. we are seriously lacking in talent. We lost a few defensive starters and the D has crapped the bed there is no quality depth.
AVP needs to be looked at also, while keeping in mind that it has been said that the Jets OC merry go round stymied the development of Sam Darnold and Geno Smith, if the Pats were to change OC's would it hamper the development of Drake Maye?? This offense has no creativity and seems very predictable.
Special teams look crappy this year,even Berringer..
This team is a mess, do not see Kraft ditching Mayo.. if anything Kraft might develop a support system for him either on the field or from the booth...
Too many missed opportunities to make this team better this year, we are woeful.
Note this is from a forever Pats optimist who has become quite jaded this season.