Who Do You Trust To Make The Staff Changes?

[Nunchucks]

If I had to make the decision today. I would want a total clean out. Everything looks bad.

 

[Real fan 02]

There are many options. Personally, I have some interest in discussion, little in polls, although that might be interesting. For me, polls can wait until the bye week.

1) Only minor changes are needed. Wolf, Mayo, AVP, McAdoo and Covington should be given 3-4 year to develop a team around Maye,

2) KRAFT should make (or require) necessary changes after the season, probably including the replacement/promotion of Wolf.

3) Mayo should make any necessary coordinator and coaching changes.

4) Wolf should make any necessary changes, including coaching and coordinator changes.

5) I do not trust Kraft, Wolf or Mayo. We have little chance with any of them making the decisions. We won't have any success until this situation changes.
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MY PERSONAL CHOICE is
that Wolf should be in charge for 2-3 years and be given a chance to build a team around Maye and make any coaching/coordinator changes that he deems appropriate, understanding that he might not be given the power to fire Mayo (but would be allowed to make Mayo a figurehead).

For the last 24 seasons we've enjoyed football excellence. The best to every do it at HC and QB. Ownership deserves credit for having a part in that. Ownership is no different than any other NFL Ownership they value profits first and foremost. With all the cap space they will have I have to think they will heavily invest in the OL, the skill positions and on defense. They know this is a bottom 32nd ranked roster. Stevie wonder can see this.

 

[Mike the Brit]

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MY PERSONAL CHOICE is
that Wolf should be in charge for 2-3 years and be given a chance to build a team around Maye and make any coaching/coordinator changes that he deems appropriate, understanding that he might not be given the power to fire Mayo (but would be allowed to make Mayo a figurehead).

The first question any franchise has to ask is: What is the structure of responsibility? Who is going to be accountable to whom?

Putting Wolf in charge, as you suggest, MG, would be my least favoured option. I think it is a recipe for disaster -- all the more so because I have yet to see evidence that Wolf is good at his own job.

If you divide authority and things don't go well, everyone has an incentive to point the finger at the other guys (the coaches at the Front Office and vice versa). It's even worse if you put the Front Office (GM) above the coach because personnel is a function parallel to coaching and needs to be judged too. Parcells was quite right: if you want the coach to cook dinner, you've got to let him buy the groceries.

We are far enough into this season to see that very little has gone right.

The off-season was terrible. Okorafor, Anderson, Gibson, Osborn ... And then Brissett! $7m for a worse QB than either Zappe or Jones! As for the draft, has anyone except Maye shown anything yet? D- for the Front Office.​

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The two co-ordinators are extremely unimpressive. No running game. Limited play design and predictable play calling. Steep regression in defense. Can't stop the run. No pass rush. D- for the coaching staff.​

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I can only see two positives for the season:

(1) Maye could be the answer at quarterback.​

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That isn't established yet -- and drafting him doesn't make Wolf a good GM. The team didn't even have the choice to make that Chicago and Washington had to: it was Maye or trade down -- and, since the team absolutely needed a quarterback, that would have been nuts.​

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(2) The team want to play hard for Mayo.​

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That shouldn't be underestimated. I remember Belichick complaining in 2009 that he "can't get the team to play for him". But it can wear out if the team keeps on losing. The humiliation of the Jacksonville game in London already shows that.​

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So I guess that my answer has to be a combination of (3) and (2). Let Mayo re-tool the coaching staff and, perhaps, have the Krafts shake up the personnel department too.

It's just possible that Mayo can learn on the job and, though he'll never be a football savant like Belichick, that he can find people who are better at running offense and defense than those there now to complement his ability to relate to his players.

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[Clonamery]

The first question any franchise has to ask is: What is the structure of responsibility? Who is going to be accountable to whom?

Putting Wolf in charge, as you suggest, MG, would be my least favoured option. I think it is a recipe for disaster -- all the more so because I have yet to see evidence that Wolf is good at his own job.

If you divide authority and things don't go well, everyone has an incentive to point the finger at the other guys (the coaches at the Front Office and vice versa). It's even worse if you put the Front Office (GM) above the coach because personnel is a function parallel to coaching and needs to be judged too. Parcells was quite right: if you want the coach to cook dinner, you've got to let him buy the groceries.

We are far enough into this season to see that very little has gone right.

The off-season was terrible. Okorafor, Anderson, Gibson, Osborn ... And then Brissett! $7m for a worse QB than either Zappe or Jones! As for the draft, has anyone except Maye shown anything yet? D- for the Front Office.​

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The two co-ordinators are extremely unimpressive. No running game. Limited play design and predictable play calling. Steep regression in defense. Can't stop the run. No pass rush. D- for the coaching staff.​

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I can only see two positives for the season:

(1) Maye could be the answer at quarterback.​

​

That isn't established yet -- and drafting him doesn't make Wolf a good GM. The team didn't even have the choice to make that Chicago and Washington had to: it was Maye or trade down -- and, since the team absolutely needed a quarterback, that would have been nuts.​

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(2) The team want to play hard for Mayo.​

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That shouldn't be underestimated. I remember Belichick complaining in 2009 that he "can't get the team to play for him". But it can wear out if the team keeps on losing. The humiliation of the Jacksonville game in London already shows that.​

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So I guess that my answer has to be a combination of (3) and (2). Let Mayo re-tool the coaching staff and, perhaps, have the Krafts shake up the personnel department too.

It's just possible that Mayo can learn on the job and, though he'll never be a football savant like Belichick, that he can find people who are better at running offense and defense than those there now to complement his ability to relate to his players.

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Thoughtful post.

 

[Ian]

I am not sure what you mean by "solid". The 2024 draft, with the exception of Maye, might be one of the worse alongside 2019. Polk has imploded. Wallace looked weak before getting injured. They tried Robinson (forced him into the lineup) last game and he was benched before halftime. Baker has done nothing due to his inability to remember plays. The rest of the picks are doing nothing. It is still early, but all indications are anything but "solid" for the 2024 draft. At the moment it is one of the worse drafts in 10 years, except for Maye.

The 2023 draft looks to one of the best in the last 20 years. Gonzo, White, Boutte, Douglas, Baringer, Sow, and Mapu is wearing the green dot on his helmet. J Andrews was solid before being hurt. Very good draft.

Not sure how you conclude that 2024 draft is "far better than what we have had here in awhile". 2023, just last year, is much better than 2024. Far better? Not better, but far better? Very confusing.

I was speaking mostly prior to 2023. I do recall that last year's class was heavily panned, especially after White, Boutte, and Mapu didn't really see any action. Mapu especially...there are a couple of guys here who absolutely hated that pick and from what I can tell, still do. Yet, here we are in 2024, and obviously, those guys are now contributing and definitely look like they belong in this league.

The fact is, Wallace wasn't supposed to play as early as he did, at least not at left tackle. He was supposed to be a developmental guy who they talked about potentially transitioning to the left side. But he clearly wasn't ready. And you're right, both he and Robinson were each getting pushed around early in the season because they needed time to get stronger and really shouldn't have had to have been out there. But Okorofor and initially Lowe, along with one other player (his name escapes me) all couldn't do anything early. It should have been Sow/Andrews/Onwenu on the inside, but then Onwenu got kicked outside and it's sort of been a mess until they finally seemed to settle things down prior to another shuffle on Sunday. Either way, Wallace played relatively well when he was in at right tackle before he went down, and Robinson being thrust into the lineup happened earlier than it probably should have. Both guys needed time to bulk up and clearly weren't ready, and Wallace is at least out because someone fell on his leg. It's not like it's a soft-tissue thing.

Polk is a mystery because he started out relatively well (5/6 in the first three games along with a touchdown) but has absolutely plummeted. He was a solid player in college and looked the part through the first few weeks. That one is bizarre.

The book is still out on Baker, who likely got a reality check after his early comments. Dial obviously had a rough preseason but has had some growth on special teams, and we'll see where he is in a year. And Bell might be more than he is by Week 17, as he was a solid player at FSU and might give them something att some point.

But like 2023, we're probably a year away from really knowing what they have in any of those guys. Polk will likely be the guy who sways the opinion because the hope was that we were past seeing them swing and miss on WRs. If he can turn it around, that would certainly be a positive. It just unfortunately doesn't look great for him at this point. The same needs to happen with Baker and maybe like Boutte, he also eventually turns into something. For now, we'll just have to let it all play out.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

First we need to make sure Big Enos (RKK) is far removed from the decision making process. President Emeritus sounds about right.

Then Little Enos (JK) needs to make a honest assessment of the ****-show that is occurring here. Then empower Wolf to do proper GM stuff. No more "collaborative efforts". One Voice. One Direction. Not three guys saying "I think we should..."

Unfortunately I think Mayo is bulletproof this year because he's "Bob's handjob picked guy". Some of the coaches need to be fired. ****ing fire them all. I don't care. Mayo/Wolf need to send the clear and concise message that "this is not good enough".

Maybe not have all brand new coordinators all at once during year 1/2 of a new rebuild? They really should have kept Steve Belichick in place as the DC. Instead they pass him over for captain noadjustments Demarcus Covington... ugh.

But really we desperately need to fire Mayo. We need a coach who knows what the **** is going on, knows what he is doing. Not a figurehead. I don't want to wait until Mayo "grows into the role". Thats just ****ing stupid.

Mayo wanted Steve to stay from what i read, he wanted to leave, he probably wants to build a resume outside of NE for future jobs. I was hoping he stayed but I remember most didn't give him credit and threw the nepotism argument out there

 

[PWRxWLF]

*delete* someone already addressed it.

 

[Real fan 02]

They’re solid? How can you say that Ian when only one draft pick has even remotely contributed. Albeit its at the most important position in the field, but they’re draft returns have been anything but solid.

Drake,Marcus, gonzo, owneu, dugger Jennings, marpu, strange, in the last few seasons are probably the only draft picks that have either working out or are still undetermined.

 

[Pape]

Mayo wanted Steve to stay from what i read, he wanted to leave, he probably wants to build a resume outside of NE for future jobs. I was hoping he stayed but I remember most didn't give him credit and threw the nepotism argument out there

but he didn't want him as DC... Covington slotted for that role from day 1.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Drake,Marcus, gonzo, owneu, dugger Jennings, marpu, strange, in the last few seasons are probably the only draft picks that have either working out or are still undetermined.

We can’t attribute those picks to Wolf when we have no idea what involvement he had. My guess is it couldn’t have been much considering how quickly he changed the scouts player rating scale the second Bill left the office. Why change the way you rate players if you feel that you are having some success??

 

[Real fan 02]

but he didn't want him as DC... Covington slotted for that role from day 1.

He and Brian as was billy O were all asked to remain.. he chose to accept the job in Washington..

 

[turkeyneck]

Mayo wanted Steve to stay from what i read, he wanted to leave, he probably wants to build a resume outside of NE for future jobs. I was hoping he stayed but I remember most didn't give him credit and threw the nepotism argument out there

SB probably was fully aware that Mayo was there just for the credit-surfing while SB did all the brain work and recognized which way the organization would go under Mayo's "guidance".

 

[Real fan 02]

We can’t attribute those picks to Wolf when we have no idea what involvement he had. My guess is it couldn’t have been much considering how quickly he changed the scouts player rating scale the second Bill left the office. Why change the way you rate players if you feel that you are having some success??

Good points. What interesting is groh is still here as director of college scouting. As groh was under Bill of course. Hitting on the QB made up alor of ground on this year's draft.. I'm willing to give polk and baker some more time. Look how long Harry and Thornton stuck around.

 

[upstater1]

If your owner doesn't know what he's doing, you have no chance:

1. Jerry Jones
2. Dan Snyder
3. Mark Davis
4. Irsay
5. Spanos
6. I'm sure there are other examples...

If the owner cant get out of his own way and understand he knows very little about football coaching, you have no chance.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Good points. What interesting is groh is still here as director of college scouting. As groh was under Bill of course. Hitting on the QB made up alor of ground on this year's draft.. I'm willing to give polk and baker some more time. Look how long Harry and Thornton stuck around.

Im willing to give all the rookies more time but I am concerned that on this roster none of them aside from Drake could find a way to flash even just a little bit. Rookies do it all around the league, there’s no reason ours shouldnt be able to.

 

[Real fan 02]

SB probably was fully aware that Mayo was there just for the credit-surfing while SB did all the brain work and recognized which way the organization would go under Mayo's "guidance".

Funnt thing is was reported mayo handled the meetings, and he and SB collectively formed the game plan.. however SB called the plays.

 

[Real fan 02]

Im willing to give all the rookies more time but I am concerned that on this roster none of them aside from Drake could find a way to flash even just a little bit. Rookies do it all around the league, there’s no reason ours shouldnt be able to.

Being that this is year 1.. of basically everything on this team. I'd use next season as the real measuring of things. Year 2 for Drake with a much better team around him I'd anticipate. If it still looks bad then year we can say the drafted players likely are heading down bust road.

 

[turkeyneck]

Funnt thing is was reported mayo handled the meetings, and he and SB collectively formed the game plan.. however SB called the plays.

Yeah, I think those reports were spin to set the table for SpongeBob's pre-ordained hiring decision. Mayo may have stood at the front of the room and have done the talking but it was SB's powerpoints that he was speaking from.

 

[Pape]

He and Brian as was billy O were all asked to remain.. he chose to accept the job in Washington..

Steve B was under contract. They told him he could stay. He was never asked to remain- there is a difference, It left him in limbo with an undefined role. he was never offered the DC position. Don't make it sound like a choice. He was frozen out. From Day 1 it was Demarcus Covingtons job. They did the same **** to Troy Brown.

could give two flying Effs about BoB.

 

[Pape]

If your owner doesn't know what he's doing, you have no chance:

1. Jerry Jones
2. Dan Snyder
3. Mark Davis
4. Irsay
5. Spanos
6. I'm sure there are other examples...

If the owner cant get out of his own way and understand he knows very little about football coaching, you have no chance.

You think JJ should be on the list of guys who don't know what they are doing? I'm not so sure about that. He's built some competitive teams over the years as the GM. What he can't do is step away from the limelight long enough to let the coach work without interference. He's always meddling.