PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POSTGAME: Pats lose to the Jags 32-16, fall to 1-6

[slash83]

Suddenly the much maligned Bentley gets injured and becomes **** Butkus.

Nobody is comparing him to Butkus, he’s still a damn good player far better than all of his replacements.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The jags stopped the run.

The passing game would have been much more effective if the WR's played better. My point is if the WR's played better, we could have more points through the passing game. The goal is points, not yards running.

BOTTOM LINE
If the WR's played better against the worst secondary in the NFL, we might have score 10 more points. We would have passed lots more.
I agree that 16 point is not acceptable. I believe that the OL played well enough to score 7-10 points through the air.

Obviously, the Defense was the worst that we've seen.

You can't continue to only pass. If the opponent knows we are passing they rush differently. If there is a chance of a run, the DL has to hesitate before heading up field. The unbalanced offensive play calling is because of our OC and OL.

 

[dliverey44]

Yes. You saw what happened. Your way didn't work.

You did NOT see what happened the correct way.

Are you ok bud?

Just out of curiosity, if Polk doesn't fall and catches that 2 point pass are you still saying it was incorrect. Just wondering if your opinion is based on the known result

 

[festy1986]

Just out of curiosity, if Polk doesn't fall and catches that 2 point pass are you still saying it was incorrect. Just wondering if your opinion is based on the known result

I was never arguing that it was incorrect. That only there is multiple ways to do it.

If Polk catches the ball then the handle pays off.

 

[mgteich]

You can't continue to only pass. If the opponent knows we are passing they rush differently. If there is a chance of a run, the DL has to hesitate before heading up field. The unbalanced offensive play calling is because of our OC and OL.

No one is suggesting to "only pass".

If the run is being stopped, we do need to pass much more, especially on first down. An effective passing game will win on its own, or it will set up the run.

First down means run is NOT a good strategy unless that run is succeeding and not being stopped. JAX ran what 17 or 18 in a row when we couldn't stop the run.

Our passing game was not stopped by our OL. They did surprisingly well in pass protection. Our passing game was not stopped by our QB. Our passing game wasn't stopped by the worst secondary in the NFL. Our passing game was stopped by the play of our WR's.

Henry is great, but our WR's need to play much better. And I think the WR's will improve as long as the play-calling allows them to improve. Polk and Baker are rookies. They have a lot to learn; humility is #1. Bourne, Douglas, and Boutte are a reasonable three. #4 receivers don't get many targets, but one of others should be active as the #4. Someone needed to step up. Boutte has done that.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Unless that Snake Mayo is fired this offseason, I do not see any situation where we are not the worst team in the league again next year. Not only are we going to have the number 1 pick in this upcoming draft, I truly believe we will also have the number 1 pick in the 2026 draft. I truly can’t fathom any free agent have any interest in joining this team: it’s virtually career-suicide.

So here’s the question: how much does Maye have to progress in the next year and a half for the Patriots not to consider drafting Arch Manning? Not saying it’ll happen (I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him), but if May has a Mac Jones-like sophomore season, do you consider drafting Manning?

It’s probably a moot point though as Arch would likely pull an Eli in the draft.

We’re not even 2 games into our bright young qb’s tenure and you’re already daydreaming about his replacement? I thought I was frustrated. You’re in a dark place friend but dont worry, some of us are here for you.

 

[Ring 6]

No one is suggesting to "only pass".

If the run is being stopped, we do need to pass much more, especially on first down. An effective passing game will win on its own, or it will set up the run.

First down means run is NOT a good strategy unless that run is succeeding and not being stopped. JAX ran what 17 or 18 in a row when we couldn't stop the run.

Our passing game was not stopped by our OL. They did surprisingly well in pass protection. Our passing game was not stopped by our QB. Our passing game wasn't stopped by the worst secondary in the NFL. Our passing game was stopped by the play of our WR's.

Henry is great, but our WR's need to play much better. And I think the WR's will improve as long as the play-calling allows them to improve. Polk and Baker are rookies. They have a lot to learn; humility is #1. Bourne, Douglas, and Boutte are a reasonable three. #4 receivers don't get many targets, but one of others should be active as the #4. Someone needed to step up. Boutte has done that.

I think the issue is you said the OL was fine but the run blocking was atrocious.
If you have no issue with an ol that can’t run block, you might as well say it’s ok to pass every down.

If you consider that in weeks 1 and 2 Stevenson had negative yards before contact, the run blocking hasn’t been good all year. We were supposed be a team that runs it no matter what and we are currently in the bottom 10.

 

[Tunescribe]

Greg Bedard (Jaguars game): Maye looking good, rest of team a dumpster fire

 

[goheels22002]

Some names to keep in mind this coming offseason:

2025 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players set to enter free agency

From some marquee receivers to ageless impact veterans, here are PFF's top 200 free agents for 2025.

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Why in the world do the New England Patriots have $37 million of unspent cap money with this roster? I get holding onto $7 million or $8 million to find emergency players as the season wears on, but that unused capital is a resource that is wasted. Unless.....

Our friends over at Over The Cap have the Patriots with the most project cap space in 2025 with, get this, $117 Million. Their dead cap money is projected at less than $6 million. It looks like this is not just a transitional year, but an intentional tanking year to get another crack at top three level draft picks plus the ability to spend real money on some free agents.

From the 2025 list provided by @ZoisKing, they should pick off OT Cam Robinson from the Jaguars, DL Damarcus Lawrence from the Cowboys, and DL Alim McNeill from the Lions. I'd also take a WR from a group that has a bunch of interesting players, but it should be a guy who is not a prima donna and is willing to help make Maye's second year a big one.

In the draft, if they get the #1 or #2 overall pick, trade that for an impact player and a bunch of other picks to a team looking for a QB, preferably a mid-round #1 in 2025 and another #2 in 2025 so they can get three of the top sixty players in the draft.

If the Pats can bring in six or seven starters in 2025 to help Maye and the remaining starters, 2024's unfolding train wreck can be put behind us. God, how I hate rebuilding years.

 

[jboston19]

Why in the world do the New England Patriots have $37 million of unspent cap money with this roster? I get holding onto $7 million or $8 million to find emergency players as the season wears on, but that unused capital is a resource that is wasted. Unless.....

Our friends over at Over The Cap have the Patriots with the most project cap space in 2025 with, get this, $117 Million. Their dead cap money is projected at less than $6 million. It looks like this is not just a transitional year, but an intentional tanking year to get another crack at top three level draft picks plus the ability to spend real money on some free agents.

From the 2025 list provided by @ZoisKing, they should pick off OT Cam Robinson from the Jaguars, DL Damarcus Lawrence from the Cowboys, and DL Alim McNeill from the Lions. I'd also take a WR from a group that has a bunch of interesting players, but it should be a guy who is not a prima donna and is willing to help make Maye's second year a big one.

In the draft, if they get the #1 or #2 overall pick, trade that for an impact player and a bunch of other picks to a team looking for a QB, preferably a mid-round #1 in 2025 and another #2 in 2025 so they can get three of the top sixty players in the draft.

If the Pats can bring in six or seven starters in 2025 to help Maye and the remaining starters, 2024's unfolding train wreck can be put behind us. God, how I hate rebuilding years.

McNeil just signed an extension.

 

[1960Pats]

Agreed. Get Vrabel -- who already SHOULD be the Pats coach -- before someone else does.

The NYFL owners seem to want more yes men and Vrabel doesn't fit. Mayo does.

I wonder how much time Kraft will give Mayo. Normally I consider the NYFL a place where things can be turned around quickly but that's with better leadership and talent evaluation. They're lacking both right now.

What they need is one of those miracle drafts where some team offers them a boatload of picks and they use them wisely. Is there a QB or QBs that everyone wants next year? If we can find one of those teams and Maye turns out to be the real deal then it could happen with a few other changes. That's not a lot right?

 

[captain stone]

They needed to go for two on that TD or if they got another one, what's the difference?

Everything, that’s the difference.

 

[1960Pats]

Maye looks like he could be an average to above average QB. Otherwise, I'm not seeing much here. Kicker? Punter?

It's still early but they have some other young kids who look pretty good.

 

[captain stone]

How do you know he isn’t? Do you think he’s coaching offense?

That’s part of the problem: We don’t know what the heck he’s doing during the rest of the day…

 

[1960Pats]

They are done. Soft, given up, playing with no passion. Mayo has not gotten the team to play for him, Wolf has not given the team any playmakers on either side of the ball.

Years ago, when they sucked, I was loyal, I knew they were going to get better. Not feeling anywhere this optimistic. I don’t see me giving them my prime Sunday time going forward. Disappointing to say the least.

I haven't lost interest in the team but I do seem to be shying away from the other games. I have prime tv and I still didn't watch those games.

How would you feel if they're tanking?

 

[1960Pats]

Oh. So they made it easier.

Got it.

Speaking of two point conversions and other short yardage plays, I don't have any stats to back me up but it sure feels like short yards are harder to get these days but more coaches are going for the 4th and stupid calls that can turn games around. The Bills game was the latest example but there are probably more.

 

[captain stone]

Jesus. I’m done. You aren’t capable of getting it.

Good. Then stop trying to get in the last dam word.

Why the heck do you think that in baseball, the home team bats last; or that in an NHL shootout, the home team goes last; or that in football, the winner of the coin toss almost always DEFERS?

 

[Ring 6]

Good. Then stop trying to get in the last dam word.

Why the heck do you think that in baseball, the home team bats last; or that in an NHL shootout, the home team goes last; or that in football, the winner of the coin toss almost always DEFERS?

Why would that have anything to do with this issue?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Why in the world do the New England Patriots have $37 million of unspent cap money with this roster? I get holding onto $7 million or $8 million to find emergency players as the season wears on, but that unused capital is a resource that is wasted. Unless.....

Our friends over at Over The Cap have the Patriots with the most project cap space in 2025 with, get this, $117 Million. Their dead cap money is projected at less than $6 million. It looks like this is not just a transitional year, but an intentional tanking year to get another crack at top three level draft picks plus the ability to spend real money on some free agents.

From the 2025 list provided by @ZoisKing, they should pick off OT Cam Robinson from the Jaguars, DL Damarcus Lawrence from the Cowboys, and DL Alim McNeill from the Lions. I'd also take a WR from a group that has a bunch of interesting players, but it should be a guy who is not a prima donna and is willing to help make Maye's second year a big one.

In the draft, if they get the #1 or #2 overall pick, trade that for an impact player and a bunch of other picks to a team looking for a QB, preferably a mid-round #1 in 2025 and another #2 in 2025 so they can get three of the top sixty players in the draft.

If the Pats can bring in six or seven starters in 2025 to help Maye and the remaining starters, 2024's unfolding train wreck can be put behind us. God, how I hate rebuilding years.

There should be some good cb’s too hitting the market. They should sign at least 1. If we can sign robinson, an edge guy, DL, and a cb that gives us so much flexibility with that first pick. We can splurge on a top talent of our choice or explore trades, i just don’t feel like youll see the same kind of offers next year as the qbs aren’t like the top 3 this year.

 

[Steve102]

I haven't lost interest in the team but I do seem to be shying away from the other games. I have prime tv and I still didn't watch those games.

How would you feel if they're tanking?

I don't think they are tanking.