Barmore Pulled Over. Claims "racism". [10/19 update: apologizes]

[signbabybrady]

Well I doubt they knew they had the right to request a supervisor, most people just do when they don't agree with how things are going. And again that's a policy issue that could vary from agency to agency, I'm just speaking to the one I worked for. As for the right to not obey the officers orders we can look at it the way I did when I was new to law enforcement vs how I looked at after many years on the job. New young me full of piss and vinegar would snatch someone out of the car and have them in hand cuffs the minute they didn't comply with a lawful command. The law allows me to do that so therefor I did. But as time went on and me no longer liking all the extra paperwork and really starting to think about how I conducted my daily interactions with the community I served I decided to take a better approach. I slowed down and took the time to talk more to people and explain the situations better to them, I focused on treating them the way I wanted my family to be treated if stopped by law enforcement. When I did that I got more compliance in general and the shifts went by smoother and I wasn't rolling around on the ground with someone daily. All I am saying is just because you can take certain actions immediately it may not be the best path to take. If there is no eminent danger a clear need for action right now, what's it hurt to get the supervisor on scene to try and help the situation to a solution that doesn't require pepper spray or being proned out on the ground. My moto was " ask, tell, make" too often the ask part is really short lived and we jump right to make. But make no mistake when it was time to go hands then you went hands on its just we shouldn't be looking right at going hands on from jump street.

You seem like you were/are a good police officer and person.

 

[Patsfan1645]

You seem like you were/are a good police officer and person.

Tell my wife that....I actually pulled her over for speeding once, but thats a long story

 

[signbabybrady]

Tell my wife that....I actually pulled her over for speeding once, but thats a long story

 

[jmt57]

Late '80s I drove from Florida back to Mass, to make preparations for my wedding.
(We both grew up in MA but had moved to FL a couple years earlier.)

This was in the time that Miami Vice was one of the most-watched shows on television, with scripts seemingly lifted right off of south Florida drug crime headlines.


Living in Florida, all vehicles have tinted glass; it was just a question of how heavy a tint. Now add a vehicle with Florida plates. Even though it was a Buick four-door sedan, apparently I stuck out like a sore thumb.

In one week's time I was pulled over three times. Never got a ticket because I was never doing anything wrong.

Three different fishing expeditions by three different jurisdictions. They all wanted to know what I was doing there, why did I have tinted windows, wanted me to open the trunk, wanted to take a look inside the car, why was I here. At least twice they came right out and stated/implied that I was selling drugs. Each time I answered their question as to why I was in Mass, but it never once seemed as though they believed me.

I complied because I felt not doing so was just going to make matters worse. But at the same time it was really pissing me off. After the third search was complete I asked the officer if there was some sort of memo that had gone out to the various police departments, because getting pulled over so often was really getting old. He just stared at me intently for a few moments, then turned turned away, saying in a stern voice dripping in anger and sarcasm 'have a nice day'.

 

[Clonamery]

Late '80s I drove from Florida back to Mass, to make preparations for my wedding.
(We both grew up in MA but had moved to FL a couple years earlier.)

This was in the time that Miami Vice was one of the most-watched shows on television, with scripts seemingly lifted right off of south Florida drug crime headlines.


Living in Florida, all vehicles have tinted glass; it was just a question of how heavy a tint. Now add a vehicle with Florida plates. Even though it was a Buick four-door sedan, apparently I stuck out like a sore thumb.

In one week's time I was pulled over three times. Never got a ticket because I was never doing anything wrong.

Three different fishing expeditions by three different jurisdictions. They all wanted to know what I was doing there, why did I have tinted windows, wanted me to open the trunk, wanted to take a look inside the car, why was I here. At least twice they came right out and stated/implied that I was selling drugs. Each time I answered their question as to why I was in Mass, but it never once seemed as though they believed me.

I complied because I felt not doing so was just going to make matters worse. But at the same time it was really pissing me off. After the third search was complete I asked the officer if there was some sort of memo that had gone out to the various police departments, because getting pulled over so often was really getting old. He just stared at me intently for a few moments, then turned turned away, saying in a stern voice dripping in anger and sarcasm 'have a nice day'.

Definitely knew you were from Mass then.

 

[jmt57]

Definitely knew you were from Mass then.

Each time I was with my bride-to-be, who still had a thick Boston accent.
Fair-skinned irish woman, not somebody who looked like they were a Floridian.

I guess they thought she and the wedding was just part of my elaborate disguise.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I routinely smell weed passing by tailgaters on the way to Pats games at Gillette.

I smell weed right now

 

[Patsfan1645]

Late '80s I drove from Florida back to Mass, to make preparations for my wedding.
(We both grew up in MA but had moved to FL a couple years earlier.)

This was in the time that Miami Vice was one of the most-watched shows on television, with scripts seemingly lifted right off of south Florida drug crime headlines.


Living in Florida, all vehicles have tinted glass; it was just a question of how heavy a tint. Now add a vehicle with Florida plates. Even though it was a Buick four-door sedan, apparently I stuck out like a sore thumb.

In one week's time I was pulled over three times. Never got a ticket because I was never doing anything wrong.

Three different fishing expeditions by three different jurisdictions. They all wanted to know what I was doing there, why did I have tinted windows, wanted me to open the trunk, wanted to take a look inside the car, why was I here. At least twice they came right out and stated/implied that I was selling drugs. Each time I answered their question as to why I was in Mass, but it never once seemed as though they believed me.

I complied because I felt not doing so was just going to make matters worse. But at the same time it was really pissing me off. After the third search was complete I asked the officer if there was some sort of memo that had gone out to the various police departments, because getting pulled over so often was really getting old. He just stared at me intently for a few moments, then turned turned away, saying in a stern voice dripping in anger and sarcasm 'have a nice day'.

Sign of the times...late 80s was the super bowl era on the war on drugs. That was when you would get asked....Do you support the presidents war on drugs? (Most would say yes) You don't have any guns, drugs or bombs in the car do you? (No I don't) Then you wouldn't mind if I search your car real fast would you?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I complied because I felt not doing so was just going to make matters worse. But at the same time it was really pissing me off. After the third search was complete I asked the officer if there was some sort of memo that had gone out to the various police departments, because getting pulled over so often was really getting old. He just stared at me intently for a few moments, then turned turned away, saying in a stern voice dripping in anger and sarcasm 'have a nice day'.

This is more of a public service reply.

Never consent to searches. The police can still search if they want for whatever reasons they want to make up: officer safety, they smell something, etc. But by not consenting, the door is still open to invalidate the search in court. If you consent, that door is slammed shut.

That's the atmosphere they want to create: "Why aren't you being reasonable? Just cooperate and this will go well." That's a straight up lie. From the second they decide to pull you over, they are looking for ways to charge you with something. Be polite, give license and registration, obey lawful orders, but do not consent to any searches and DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, beyond pleasantries.

Talking can never help you. You cannot talk your way out of being arrested, but you can talk your way into a conviction. Do not answer questions. Every single question is intended to help build a case against you. If you're asked to do a breathalyzer but haven't been drinking much or at all, do it, otherwise you lose your license for 180 days (in MA, at least). Decline all roadside tests: they are difficult even when sober, are not compulsory, and your refusal is not admissible in court. It can ONLY hurt you to do roadside tests, never help. Remember, innocence is the presumption in the USA (for now).

All of you with nothing to hide, all of you innocent folks: this post is ESPECIALLY for you. By keeping your mouth shut ("Officer, my lawyer has advised me not to answer questions, sorry") and exercising your other civil rights, you may cause a bit of friction during a stop (if you're polite, that's less likely), but if the kid who detailed your car last month accidently dropped a little baggie of cocaine under the back seat, you'll be glad you followed this advice. If you consented to the search, you're in hot water when it's found, but if you didn't, they'd need to show probable cause or the search is not valid. Tinted windows and FL plates is not probable cause.

Anyway, hope this helps some.

 

[Brotherblues]

This is more of a public service reply.

Never consent to searches. The police can still search if they want for whatever reasons they want to make up: office safety, they smell something, etc. But by not consenting, the door is still open to invalidate the search in court. If you consent, that door is slammed shut.

That's the atmosphere they want to create: "Why aren't you being reasonable? Just cooperate and this will go well." That's a straight up lie. From the second they decide to pull you over, they are looking for ways to charge you with something. Be polite, give license and registration, obey lawful orders, but do not consent to any searches and DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, beyond pleasantries.

Talking can never help you. You cannot talk your way out of being arrested, but you can talk your way into a conviction. Do not answer questions. Every single question is intended to help build a case against you. If you're asked to do a breathalyzer but haven't been drinking much or at all, do it, otherwise you lose your license for 180 days (in MA, at least). Decline all roadside tests: they are difficult even when sober, are not compulsory, and your refusal is not admissible in court. It can ONLY hurt you to do roadside tests, never help. Remember, innocence is the presumption in the USA (for now).

All of you with nothing to hide, all of you innocent folks: this post is ESPECIALLY for you. By keeping your mouth shut ("Officer, my lawyer has advised me not to answer questions, sorry") and exercising your other civil rights, you may cause a bit of friction during a stop (if you're polite, that's less likely), but if the kid who detailed your car last month accidently dropped a little baggie of cocaine under the back seat, you'll be glad you followed this advice. If you consented to the search, you're in hot water when it's found, but if you didn't, they'd need to show probable cause or the search is not valid. Tinted windows and FL plates is not probable cause.

Anyway, hope this helps some.

Basically you're a lawyer

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Basically you're a lawyer

Sorry I can't answer that question

 

[Triumph]

Yup. Because you're in hurry.

Unless you're Barmore.

Skin color

 

[Patriot Missile]

Unless you're Barmore.

Skin color

Still can’t get over that video. What a big cry baby trying to act all tough on camera with his mommy on the phone.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Wolf is probably sweating right now. He's off to a horrific start. Almost every move has blown up in his face.

 

[PatsfanTN]

There is no racism among cops in providence and Boston. They are just following the law.

During while black after midnight is serious offense.

Andddd there’s the dog whistle.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Tell my wife that....I actually pulled her over for speeding once, but thats a long story

Sounds like one of those cute meet stories or am I wrong?

 

[WhatJustHappened]

This is so ridiculous...
Dark tinted windows, tinted Plate cover... driving 10mph....
On Elmwood Ave at 1am.
I've said to myself 100X, "If I was a cop, I'd pull that **** over right now, I can't read that plate..."
Yeah, racism...they probably couldn't even SEE that he was a black man behind the tinting at 12:53am, and
he was very aggressive when he was pulled over.

A younger less experienced cop would have dragged him out of the car and had him face down on the pavement.
That didn't happen.

I was forced out of a car which they searched (Dorchester), they ripped out the rear seats... only found a lot of seeds around/under the rear cushions (we used an old album cover to de-seed weed back there).
That was ~40 years ago.

Don't be there at 1AM, Elmwood Ave is not where you should be ****in around at that time, cops are all over the place.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

We all learn... after that pull-over, we were more careful with the seeds....

 

[Nikolai]

Late '80s I drove from Florida back to Mass, to make preparations for my wedding.
(We both grew up in MA but had moved to FL a couple years earlier.)

This was in the time that Miami Vice was one of the most-watched shows on television, with scripts seemingly lifted right off of south Florida drug crime headlines.


Living in Florida, all vehicles have tinted glass; it was just a question of how heavy a tint. Now add a vehicle with Florida plates. Even though it was a Buick four-door sedan, apparently I stuck out like a sore thumb.

In one week's time I was pulled over three times. Never got a ticket because I was never doing anything wrong.

Three different fishing expeditions by three different jurisdictions. They all wanted to know what I was doing there, why did I have tinted windows, wanted me to open the trunk, wanted to take a look inside the car, why was I here. At least twice they came right out and stated/implied that I was selling drugs. Each time I answered their question as to why I was in Mass, but it never once seemed as though they believed me.

I complied because I felt not doing so was just going to make matters worse. But at the same time it was really pissing me off. After the third search was complete I asked the officer if there was some sort of memo that had gone out to the various police departments, because getting pulled over so often was really getting old. He just stared at me intently for a few moments, then turned turned away, saying in a stern voice dripping in anger and sarcasm 'have a nice day'.

I had a similar experience in the late 90s of getting pulled over. I didn't have tint (was too young and poor), but what I did have was a really beat up early 70s Charger. I got pulled over four times in a week at one point. The breaking point was when I was putting air in the tire at the gas station and police rolled up on me. They rushed out of the car and drew down when I stood up. After determining I was just a kid trying to inflate the tires on his ****box, I finally I asked why I was being targeted, and was told they did indeed have an APB on Charger that matched the description of mine.

Sure enough, I had a lot of problems in some neighborhoods when I rolled through with that car. It had a twin with a really, really sus owner I guess...

 

[Nikolai]

This is more of a public service reply.

Never consent to searches. The police can still search if they want for whatever reasons they want to make up: officer safety, they smell something, etc. But by not consenting, the door is still open to invalidate the search in court. If you consent, that door is slammed shut.

That's the atmosphere they want to create: "Why aren't you being reasonable? Just cooperate and this will go well." That's a straight up lie. From the second they decide to pull you over, they are looking for ways to charge you with something. Be polite, give license and registration, obey lawful orders, but do not consent to any searches and DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, beyond pleasantries.

Talking can never help you. You cannot talk your way out of being arrested, but you can talk your way into a conviction. Do not answer questions. Every single question is intended to help build a case against you. If you're asked to do a breathalyzer but haven't been drinking much or at all, do it, otherwise you lose your license for 180 days (in MA, at least). Decline all roadside tests: they are difficult even when sober, are not compulsory, and your refusal is not admissible in court. It can ONLY hurt you to do roadside tests, never help. Remember, innocence is the presumption in the USA (for now).

All of you with nothing to hide, all of you innocent folks: this post is ESPECIALLY for you. By keeping your mouth shut ("Officer, my lawyer has advised me not to answer questions, sorry") and exercising your other civil rights, you may cause a bit of friction during a stop (if you're polite, that's less likely), but if the kid who detailed your car last month accidently dropped a little baggie of cocaine under the back seat, you'll be glad you followed this advice. If you consented to the search, you're in hot water when it's found, but if you didn't, they'd need to show probable cause or the search is not valid. Tinted windows and FL plates is not probable cause.

Anyway, hope this helps some.

This is outstanding advice. Expand this to include police/law enforcement of any stripe, to include detectives and any other kinds of investigators.

Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer.