Barmore Pulled Over. Claims "racism". [10/19 update: apologizes]

[signbabybrady]

I routinely smell weed passing by tailgaters on the way to Pats games at Gillette.

Marijuana cigarettes?

 

[Triumph]

About as hard as it is for drivers to be under the posted speed limit.

Another good reason to cry RACISS.

 

[Clonamery]

Another good reason to cry RACISS.

Yup. Because you're in hurry.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I routinely smell weed passing by tailgaters on the way to Pats games at Gillette.

Me too.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Wow. Barmore just was not cool. It appears Barmore and the woman were demanding that a police supervisor be present before they followed any instructions. But that whole scene looked close to getting out of control, I'm glad it didn't.

A supervisor should have responded given the fact of who he is and also the fact that he was not being compliant and is a very large man. In my old department if a citizen asked for a supervisor they got one. In this case as long as there wasnt exigent circumstances requiring the officers to take action immediately then I would prefer they hold what they have until I got on scene and tried to help de-escalate the situation or if we needed to go hands on to get someone into custody I would be present for the use of force which requires a fair amount of paperwork

 

[Tunescribe]

A supervisor should have responded given the fact of who he is and also the fact that he was not being compliant and is a very large man. In my old department if a citizen asked for a supervisor they got one. In this case as long as there wasnt exigent circumstances requiring the officers to take action immediately then I would prefer they hold what they have until I got on scene and tried to help de-escalate the situation or if we needed to go hands on to get someone into custody I would be present for the use of force which requires a fair amount of paperwork

Interesting. So, the offender asking for a supervisor to be present is considered a reasonable request by police? And what constitutes "supervisor"?

 

[1960Pats]

Totally off-topic, but I see so many cars driving around New York with these super crazy tinted windows, and I thought that was illegal? Did the law change or did I just imagine there was a law against that

I can't stand getting behind vehicles on the highway with tinted windows, especially if the driver rides his brake. If they aren't illegal they should be.

 

[Vindicate]

Yeah thats not a good look. If you have ONE thing wrong and you know about it, just deal with it. Did the cop force you to have an expired license? Nope.

My rule is don't give the cops anything. Have your **** wired tight.

Or if your **** is expired, leave the contraband behind...

 

[Patsfan1645]

Interesting. So, the offender asking for a supervisor to be present is considered a reasonable request by police? And what constitutes "supervisor"?

Yes it is considered a reasonable request. It may not be reasonable in that specific moment but contact with the supervisor while still at the scene or a phone call in a reasonable amount of time is something that if requested was required in my agency. A supervisor should either be the officers assigned sergeant (who they answer to) or if they aren't available the supervisor who is in charge of the officers working in a specific area at the time of the incident. In my department I was a first line supervisor (sergeant). My career progression was a Police Officer for 4 years, a Master Police officer for 8 years and a Sergeant for 13 years.

 

[1960Pats]

Zero context from that

The half hour version of George Floyd's attempted arrest for robbery was much more revealing than that one, but I don't know how many people ever saw it.

 

[1960Pats]

Man. The wheels really fell off this franchise in quick succession.

I'm embarrassed for this kid.

To which kid are you referring?

 

[Patsfan1645]

The half hour version of George Floyd's attempted arrest for robbery was much more revealing than that one, but I don't know how many people ever saw it.

I had the opportunity to watch the entire encounter. I have many issues with the situation and it should have never played out as it did. It made policing across the nation rather difficult for my final three years

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Hope he’s not Bar’red from returning

 

[1960Pats]

Back in 2001 my son was going to school in GA and I decided to drive my brandy new car down and back.

While speeding in SC on the way back I was pulled over by a cop, who I saw as I flew by. I started to pull over before he even started to chase me. He told me he liked my demeanor and if I sent a $50 check to the courthouse in Gaffney he'd write me up for less than my actual speed. He said that would keep me from getting surcharges in MA. I knew that I could get away with not paying the fine but I did anyway.

A few months later I got stopped again in the same area and once again the cop told me to send a $50 check to Gaffney. He also said he liked my demeanor, but if I hadn't paid the first $50 fine I was screwed.

 

[Tunescribe]

Yes it is considered a reasonable request. It may not be reasonable in that specific moment but contact with the supervisor while still at the scene or a phone call in a reasonable amount of time is something that if requested was required in my agency. A supervisor should either be the officers assigned sergeant (who they answer to) or if they aren't available the supervisor who is in charge of the officers working in a specific area at the time of the incident. In my department I was a first line supervisor (sergeant). My career progression was a Police Officer for 4 years, a Master Police officer for 8 years and a Sergeant for 13 years.

Thanks, very interesting. So it appears that Barmore and his passenger were schooled in knowing that if stopped, they had the right to request a supervisor be present. In a case like this, is it the offender's right not to obey officer orders until the supervisor arrives?

 

[Bill Lee]

Zero context from that

Respect for the person who had to watch 45 minutes of body cam footage just to come up with those ten seconds of melodrama...

 

[1960Pats]

I had the opportunity to watch the entire encounter. I have many issues with the situation and it should have never played out as it did. It made policing across the nation rather difficult for my final three years

I bet it made it difficult. We're lucky that we have men and women who are willing to preform such a dangerous job at a small fraction of what a football player makes, even in college.

When I hear guys like Barmore and Hill calling it racist when they're stopped legitimately and act like assholes toward the police, then it tells me that the race-baiters are winning.

Barmore could benefit from reading what's really happening...

The Manufactured Crisis of Police Racism

This article is an expanded version of the script for this video. The United States is in an uproar over the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police. There have been demonstrations in over 400 US cities, and looting and arson in every major city. Why are so many people in...

www.unz.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes it is considered a reasonable request. It may not be reasonable in that specific moment but contact with the supervisor while still at the scene or a phone call in a reasonable amount of time is something that if requested was required in my agency. A supervisor should either be the officers assigned sergeant (who they answer to) or if they aren't available the supervisor who is in charge of the officers working in a specific area at the time of the incident. In my department I was a first line supervisor (sergeant). My career progression was a Police Officer for 4 years, a Master Police officer for 8 years and a Sergeant for 13 years.

Thank you for your service.

 

[Bill Lee]

I routinely smell weed passing by tailgaters on the way to Pats games at Gillette.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Thanks, very interesting. So it appears that Barmore and his passenger were schooled in knowing that if stopped, they had the right to request a supervisor be present. In a case like this, is it the offender's right not to obey officer orders until the supervisor arrives?

Well I doubt they knew they had the right to request a supervisor, most people just do when they don't agree with how things are going. And again that's a policy issue that could vary from agency to agency, I'm just speaking to the one I worked for. As for the right to not obey the officers orders we can look at it the way I did when I was new to law enforcement vs how I looked at after many years on the job. New young me full of piss and vinegar would snatch someone out of the car and have them in hand cuffs the minute they didn't comply with a lawful command. The law allows me to do that so therefor I did. But as time went on and me no longer liking all the extra paperwork and really starting to think about how I conducted my daily interactions with the community I served I decided to take a better approach. I slowed down and took the time to talk more to people and explain the situations better to them, I focused on treating them the way I wanted my family to be treated if stopped by law enforcement. When I did that I got more compliance in general and the shifts went by smoother and I wasn't rolling around on the ground with someone daily. All I am saying is just because you can take certain actions immediately it may not be the best path to take. If there is no eminent danger a clear need for action right now, what's it hurt to get the supervisor on scene to try and help the situation to a solution that doesn't require pepper spray or being proned out on the ground. My moto was " ask, tell, make" too often the ask part is really short lived and we jump right to make. But make no mistake when it was time to go hands then you went hands on its just we shouldn't be looking right at going hands on from jump street.