Who Was Responsible For the 2023 Draft? For the 2024 Draft?

[upstater1]

That was the beginning of the end, sure.

20 years of winning, and one bad pick, ends it all.

This is so preposterous that it's absolutely laughable.

 

[archstanton543]

20 years of winning, and one bad pick, ends it all.

This is so preposterous that it's absolutely laughable.

That's not what I said. I said it was the beginning of the end. Not the end.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That's not what I said. I said it was the beginning of the end. Not the end.

We know what you said. @upstater1 comment is correct.

 

[sb1]

Belichick was 100% responsible for 2023 and Wolf for 2024. All other opinions are gaslighting nonsense.

 

[sb1]

You could make a good case for the N'Keal Harry draft pick as the reason BB is not coaching anymore. It was the idiotic draft pick, overruling his scouts by not picking Deebo, etc., that was the final straw for Brady. It was the worst draft pick in Patriots history since it caused the loss of Brady and a big wiff on a top WR

Hiring Matt Patricia to run his offense was the beginning of the end of BB's coaching tenure. His issues with drafting WR's were already well known IMO

 

[Clonamery]

That's not what I said. I said it was the beginning of the end. Not the end.

I thought Chad Jackson was the beginning of the end?

 

[archstanton543]

I thought Chad Jackson was the beginning of the end?

You can choose where you want to start the end. If you want to start it there, that's up to you.

 

[Wozzy]

It’s been Wolf and the collaboration station since 2021. BB left the collaboration in 2024.

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

BB last year with Wolf and Co. This year Wolfe and Co. Only haters wouldn't say the past two drafts have produced some really good and hopefully really good players.

It's to early to really judge 2023 let alone this year in 2024. Some years, you get guys you know need a 'red shirt' year and often rookies get hurt year one as they are just not physically ready to be a pro. Caeden Wallace was likely one of them this year. I laugh when I see comments that this draft was a complete failure in week 3. I saw similar (haters/over-reactors/fools?) say the same in mid-summer!!! Some because the team had the gall to not take their guy. Seems we have a lot of NFL scouts and draft analysts that know better than the team that did the detail research. Overall, this team has a decent amount of talent, but is crippled on the o-line. So many over-react (media including) saying the team is holistically bad and that is way false. Bottom line is, if Maye becomes a top 7-8 QB, this draft was huge. So many teams take decades to find a QB and lose in the interim. Look at the Bills 20 years between Jim Kelly and Allen. Jets since Namath... and we're pissed here in NE given it's been 5 years since a SB trophy.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

What positions should they have taken?

The tackles in that draft have busted.

This year's draft is looking like a huge disappointment. You can't draft at the top of each round and end up with only a top QB and a 2nd WR.

In particular, the Polk, Wallace and Robinson picks look suspect. No idea why we drafted Milton but at least it was a 6th.

It's hard to tell if Polk is any good given the status quo. I never liked the pick, but I can't judge it yet.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

It's hard to tell if Polk is any good given the status quo. I never liked the pick, but I can't judge it yet.

I agree. The only questionable pick in the last 2 drafts was harry jr. (aka Polk)

 

[upstater1]

That's not what I said. I said it was the beginning of the end. Not the end.

It's insignificant.

Especially when you understand everything that preceded it.

The best teams in the NFL have multiple 1st round busts over the span of the so-called Belichick bad drafts:

Look at the 49ers: Solomon Thomas, Buckner, Ruben Foster, McGlinchey, Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

They've only hit on Bosa and Aiyuk in the 1st round. That's it. Since 2016!

I could go on. The Ravens: Matt Elam, Breshad Perriman, Hayden Hurst, Marquis Brown, Rashad Bateman, etc. So many 1st round busts.

These teams are succeeding despite multiple busts, and with the Ravens, multiple busts at the WR position.

This is why Patriot fans make entirely too much of one failed WR pick (which came at the end of the 1st round!). Teams have succeeded despite doing worse than that.

 

[upstater1]

It's hard to tell if Polk is any good given the status quo. I never liked the pick, but I can't judge it yet.

He was always a guy that is going to get open for you, fight for the ball, and be a good 2nd receiver, despite the lack of speed. If all pans out, he'll be a slight upgrade over Jakobi Meyers. You just have to hope for more when we're talking about the 34th pick in the draft. Especially when you lack offensive talent like the Patriots.

 

[upstater1]

I agree. The only questionable pick in the last 2 drafts was harry jr. (aka Polk)

I have my doubts about him, but honestly I feel much much worse about the Wallace and Robinson picks than I do the Polk pick. Polk, at least, is going to help the team. Wallace and Robinson are going to be permanent backups, and Wallace in particular is not cut out for this (but will stay on the team because he was drafted so high).

 

[1960Pats]

I know that the draft is a crapshoot, but last year's draft was rather unbelievable other than the miss at kicker.

This year could produce Maye, Polk and maybe Robinson as contributors.

I recently started updating a ss that I have of all the AFCE drafts since 2000. One of the biggest things I noticed was how many more picks the Pats have had compared to the other three teams. Not counting any mistakes that I made these are the total picks for each team the last 25 years;
NE - 224
Buf - 199
Mia - 179
NJ - 171

Apparently the Pats and Jets/Miami are on opposite sides of the draft. Those two teams seem to favor trading picks for players but it doesn't seem to work as well as having more picks. If the draft is a crap shoot then more picks is likely better and is a tactic I support.

While updating the ss I noticed that quite a few draft picks for all four teams don't show up on Pro-football Reference. When I looked into them I noticed that they were all mostly late picks who were traded and ended up on the PS for teams and never played a game.

 

[upstater1]

It's to early to really judge 2023 let alone this year in 2024. Some years, you get guys you know need a 'red shirt' year and often rookies get hurt year one as they are just not physically ready to be a pro. Caeden Wallace was likely one of them this year. I laugh when I see comments that this draft was a complete failure in week 3. I saw similar (haters/over-reactors/fools?) say the same in mid-summer!!! Some because the team had the gall to not take their guy. Seems we have a lot of NFL scouts and draft analysts that know better than the team that did the detail research. Overall, this team has a decent amount of talent, but is crippled on the o-line. So many over-react (media including) saying the team is holistically bad and that is way false. Bottom line is, if Maye becomes a top 7-8 QB, this draft was huge. So many teams take decades to find a QB and lose in the interim. Look at the Bills 20 years between Jim Kelly and Allen. Jets since Namath... and we're pissed here in NE given it's been 5 years since a SB trophy.

Wallace was taken a few rounds earlier than most thought.

As a Penn State fan, I saw him every single game of his career, 4 years as a starter, 40+ games of watching him.

I was shocked when they took him with the 64th pick.

I posted that immediately in the draft night thread.

This is a guy who was displaced at LT by a freshman who is having a very rough start to his career.

I'm not holding my breath with Wallace, I have seen a lot of him, and at 64? He was a huge reach. Not slated to go anywhere near there. For good reason.

 

[1960Pats]

BB last year with Wolf and Co. This year Wolfe and Co. Only haters wouldn't say the past two drafts have produced some really good and hopefully really good players.

People who disagree with your opinion aren't haters. Who are they hating on?

 

[1960Pats]

JFC, Do you need to start a Fkn thread whenever your Brain comes out of the Fkn TOILET?
You create threads for- you "Hooray"
"I feel so fabulous for this" AssClown...
If you think I'm new you better think again clown face......
Keep creating threads so you can see yourself you fkn CHUMP.
"Gotta create another thread"...gotta be up top... doesn't matter, I'm smarter... I'll create the best threads..they'll see!"

Embarrassing.. Bah

What just happened WhatJustHappened?

 

[1960Pats]

It's insignificant.

Especially when you understand everything that preceded it.

The best teams in the NFL have multiple 1st round busts over the span of the so-called Belichick bad drafts:

Look at the 49ers: Solomon Thomas, Buckner, Ruben Foster, McGlinchey, Kinlaw, Trey Lance.

They've only hit on Bosa and Aiyuk in the 1st round. That's it. Since 2016!

I could go on. The Ravens: Matt Elam, Breshad Perriman, Hayden Hurst, Marquis Brown, Rashad Bateman, etc. So many 1st round busts.

These teams are succeeding despite multiple busts, and with the Ravens, multiple busts at the WR position.

This is why Patriot fans make entirely too much of one failed WR pick (which came at the end of the 1st round!). Teams have succeeded despite doing worse than that.

Every team makes mistakes.

And then we have the other side of that. Tom Brady was the 199th pick and Brock Purdy was the last pick.

I always thought that Ozzie Newsom did very well for the Ratbirds.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He was always a guy that is going to get open for you, fight for the ball, and be a good 2nd receiver, despite the lack of speed. If all pans out, he'll be a slight upgrade over Jakobi Meyers. You just have to hope for more when we're talking about the 34th pick in the draft. Especially when you lack offensive talent like the Patriots.

I agree. I said early on the Polk is a more athletic Myers.

Having said that, a safe pick at WR in R2 might not be a bad idea after Harry and Thornton.