Let's focus on Positives. What next?

[sb1]

It's quite bizarre that most posters knew this team was terrible, yet are shocked they are as terrible as advertised.

The book isn't written on Mayo yet, but it's certainly going as predicted. Maye is his golden ticket. If he's a bust, Mayo and Wolf will get their asses canned.

With that said, Christian Gonzalez continues his strong season. Only allowing 74 yards total, yards per target is a measly 3, yards per target is 5.7 and a 71 QB rating when thrown at. He's going to national recognition is he continues on this path.

I think AVP's seat might start to warm up this season if the offense continues to struggle to move the ball and score points.

There's precedent for making an in-season OC change. Sometimes a change should happen but it doesn't (Matt Patricia)

 

[sb1]

Who drafted White?

The "collaboration".

Or do we save that line for GM Bill's picks that don't work out?

 

[State]

It's quite bizarre that most posters knew this team was terrible, yet are shocked they are as terrible as advertised.

This is revisionism. We had the notion the team would struggle, perhaps even be bad. But we held out hope Jacoby would be competent, for example, that the defense would keep us in games, and that Onwenu even at RT would be good.

None of these have transpired thus far.

We are terrible. Few expected that.

 

[Dec54]

Pleasantly surprised by Gonzalez, I thought he was due for a regression (and still might be) but so far he looks like the real deal.

I thought he did not look happy at being drafted to the Pat's. Good player though.

 

[signbabybrady]

The "collaboration".

Or do we save that line for GM Bill's picks that don't work out?

What are you even talking about? This is White's second season the Collaboration was just formed this year.

 

[Sicilian]

I thought he did not look happy at being drafted to the Pat's. Good player though.

I think he just might have one of those faces. I don't think I've ever seen him look overly enthusiastic. Gilmore was the same way.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

Seems possible that Jags LT Cam Robinson could be available in a trade?
Could be another possibility, especially if they sign him to an extension.

 

[KCSVEN]

He’s not even a reliable #2

He'll only be 27 and immediately your best receiver on the team.
Yeah, he has some hamstring history and he's not in the top 10 of wide receivers but there is nobody else in free agency in his class and you are not going to pass on a tackle for a wide receiver in round 1. Chris Godwin is the only other option in free agency and not as likely he gets to free agency and also not so likely to want to go to a cold weather team.

 

[Sicilian]

He'll only be 27 and immediately your best receiver on the team.
Yeah, he has some hamstring history and he's not in the top 10 of wide receivers but there is nobody else in free agency in his class and you are not going to pass on a tackle for a wide receiver in round 1. Chris Godwin is the only other option in free agency and not as likely he gets to free agency and also not so likely to want to go to a cold weather team.

Add to this that now they might also need a center who's NFL ready in 2025, and they need pass rush help, and I don't think WR should be a consideration until maybe day 3 of the draft, if that. Higgins may not be Chase, but with the cap space he's their best bet to beef up the WR room.

Of course, it's still October. Lots of guys seem to suddenly come available once the offseason hits. Hill, Adams, even Aiyuk (possibly, that may have never been a real possibility for anyone). So if someone better pops up as an option, I'm all for it. But if Higgins is it, I take Higgins.

 

[State]

Show case Joe Milton III. Let a team in desperate straights, like Miami is at QB, offer us a high draft pick for the player.

In fact, if Miami were smart they’d offer the Patriots their second today.

Milton has the body of Cam Newton with the arm strength of Jeff George. A unique talent.

 

[PatsFan2]

Show case Joe Milton III. Let a team in desperate straights, like Miami is at QB, offer us a high draft pick for the player.

In fact, if Miami were smart they’d offer the Patriots their second today.

Milton has the body of Cam Newton with the arm strength of Jeff George. A unique talent.

Milton's development is worth watching knowing he can sit and learn for a while should help his progress. I think Milton was a Steal where we gout him.

 

[Bill Lee]

This is revisionism. We had the notion the team would struggle, perhaps even be bad. But we held out hope Jacoby would be competent, for example, that the defense would keep us in games, and that Onwenu even at RT would be good.

None of these have transpired thus far.

We are terrible. Few expected that.

Most saw the predictions of 4.5 wins and realized that meant we had a terrible team.

You mentioned holding out hope, but as the saying goes, hope is not a plan.

Jacoby was/is a guy with a career record of 36-47 who was signed to a one-year contract for $8M in the same off-season where Derek Freaking Carr signed a four-year contract for $150M. Given this, Jacoby is competent relative to his contract and relative to those who came before him playing with most of the same players, namely Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe.

We were a 4-win team last season and we went into this season largely with the same team along with an inexperienced coaching staff and IMO a harder schedule.

It's hard to understand why people would have expected more than what we're seeing.

 

[State]

Jacoby is competent relative to his contract and relative to those who came before him playing with most of the same players, namely Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe.

Seven if the eight picks taken by the Patriots were on offense. There should have been an upgrade. Mac Jones is an upgrade over the current starter. The guy cast aside for a lowly draft pick.

That too was a mistake.

 

[Ring 6]

The only positive I see in the horizon is a loaded one.
We face Miami this week with a RB at QB.
We still have potentially Caleb Williams, and Will Levis on the schedule who could hand us games we don’t deserve to win and some other opponents could have a lot of injuries.
But if we lose this week and lose to Tenn and Chicago, we might be entering Rod Rust territory.

 

[neuronet]

Add to this that now they might also need a center who's NFL ready in 2025, and they need pass rush help, and I don't think WR should be a consideration until maybe day 3 of the draft, if that. Higgins may not be Chase, but with the cap space he's their best bet to beef up the WR room.

Of course, it's still October. Lots of guys seem to suddenly come available once the offseason hits. Hill, Adams, even Aiyuk (possibly, that may have never been a real possibility for anyone). So if someone better pops up as an option, I'm all for it. But if Higgins is it, I take Higgins.

Higgins is Mr Unreliable. One out of four games he has flashes of good play. Original argument was we should break the bank for this. No. He is not WR1 on the Bengals and we shouldn't bend over backwards for him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Higgins is Mr Unreliable. One out of four games he has flashes of good play. Original argument was we should break the bank for this. No. He is not WR1 on the Bengals and we shouldn't bend over backwards for him.

Yep. There's a reason he wanted to get paid when he did. He'll get exposed on his next destination. His game reminds me of Malcolm Floyd. They were both just jump ball guys.

 

[maust]

Seems possible that Jags LT Cam Robinson could be available in a trade?
Could be another possibility, especially if they sign him to an extension.

He's in a contract year. Given their circumstances the Pats would want permission to negotiate an extension before being willing to give anything up for him. Meanwhile there are other teams (Saints, Chiefs) who'd be probably be okay with getting him as a rental. Have to think a LT looking toward his next deal would be more than happy playing next to Thuney the rest of this year.

 

[203Pat]

I like Keion White but if he is getting sacks at the expense of the play call/scheme he isn't a guy to build around.

 

[p8ryts]

He's in a contract year. Given their circumstances the Pats would want permission to negotiate an extension before being willing to give anything up for him. Meanwhile there are other teams (Saints, Chiefs) who'd be probably be okay with getting him as a rental. Have to think a LT looking toward his next deal would be more than happy playing next to Thuney the rest of this year.

He is not effective for Jags, why do we want him?

 

[Taxed in Maine]

He's in a contract year. Given their circumstances the Pats would want permission to negotiate an extension before being willing to give anything up for him. Meanwhile there are other teams (Saints, Chiefs) who'd be probably be okay with getting him as a rental. Have to think a LT looking toward his next deal would be more than happy playing next to Thuney the rest of this year.

How could NO or KC trade for him? He has a $16M salary and each of those teams only have about $4.5M in cap space?