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[PatsFan2]

Wolf is the person who bet his job on Drake Maye, and he will be the person who makes the decision on when he will start. He should use the Green Bay model instead of the Jets model for developing him. And he should completely ignore all the crying and whining from the fans who didn’t want Maye to begin with, and now want to be entertained by him.

You keep harping on the Green Bay model for the Patriots like Maye has a Hofer in front of him. That is certainly not the case here IF our Pathetic OL was Above average we wouldn't be doing this back and forth.

 

[Real fan 02]

Again Sue me.

I think it's Lombardi posting under his name LOL

 

[PatsFan2]

Crybaby.

 

[Real fan 02]

You keep harping on the Green Bay model for the Patriots like Maye has a Hofer in front of him. That is certainly not the case here IF our Pathetic OL was Above average we wouldn't be doing this back and forth.

Be careful PF2, Lombardi is on here posting. LOL.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You keep harping on the Green Bay model for the Patriots like Maye has a Hofer in front of him. That is certainly not the case here IF our Pathetic OL was Above average we wouldn't be doing this back and forth.

The Packers clearly brought in QB prospects with the intention of sitting them so they could learn, otherwise they would not have used 1st round picks on QB’s when they already knew they were currently set at the position.

 

[Ring 6]

Wolf is the person who bet his job on Drake Maye, and he will be the person who makes the decision on when he will start. He should use the Green Bay model instead of the Jets model for developing him. And he should completely ignore all the crying and whining from the fans who didn’t want Maye to begin with, and now want to be entertained by him.

You seem to be missing a big chunk of the equation.
GB didn’t stink while Rodgers and Love sat. They didn’t have Jacoby Brissett.
They didn’t bank $40,000,000 of cap space. GB didn’t hire inexperienced and unqualified HCs and coordinators.

If we are trying to copy GB, maybe we should copy the good things they did instead of applying something they did to an entirely different situation.

 

[Real fan 02]

You seem to be missing a big chunk of the equation.
GB didn’t stink while Rodgers and Love sat. They didn’t have Jacoby Brissett.
They didn’t bank $40,000,000 of cap space. GB didn’t hire inexperienced and unqualified HCs and coordinators.

If we are trying to copy GB, maybe we should copy the good things they did instead of applying something they did to an entirely different situation.

Good point. How can we attract FA looking this way. I've said over and over this season was important becuase we need to put a product out worth watching and ultimately with Drake playing so we know what we have going into next season.. we are worse than last season.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes!!! They are keeping maye in a glass for some reason. They are being overly cautious and what's going to happen is they are going to be put in a situation they are forced to play him.

Why does that matter to you? You thought he sucked and didn’t want them to take him.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

He does have a plan. Sit Maye. Let Jacoby take a licking out there. Build the O-line next off-season. It's not an amazing plan but that's pretty much the only plan BB's mismanagement of the team the last half decade left him with.

That is not the plan. It can't be. When they released Zappe, we knew that wasn't the plan. Maye is one injury to JB away from taking that licking himself. If the true plan was to sit Maye and preserve him for next year, Zappe or Flacco or some other vet QB would be on the roster. Even as the astounding atrociousness of this OL has unfolded and expanded over the season, they STILL have not made a move to bring in a vet. Maye is still QB2, just a hit or pulled hamstring away from being behind an OL that could end up being the worst ever fielded in the Super Bowl Era.

It's clear they were willing to play Maye this year (Zappe release signaled that), and they are still willing to play him (no other vet QB acquired), despite the hazardous conditions. It's astounding to me, but I don't see any other interpretation of the facts that works.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Why does that matter to you? You thought he sucked and didn’t want them to take him.

Ohhhh... That's why he's been in the hardcore "Play Drake" camp.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ohhhh... That's why he's been in the hardcore "Play Drake" camp.

I think it plays a role in it. I think most of those who wanted them to take Maye realized at the time that they would likely sit him until he fully learned the offense before playing. Whether took all or most of the season didn’t matter to most of us because we were looking at the pick to be their long term answer at QB, and not an instant fix for a bad team, or just someone to “ entertain “ us.

If your goal is to see the Patriots win more Super Bowl’s then you need your team to get to the playoffs constantly, and you have to build from a playoff caliber team to a contender, which is a team that can beat the best team’s regularly. Once you reach the playoff level you can go different routes. The Dolphins and the Lions are good examples of this. The Dolphins have basically gone all in, by trading for big ticket players like Ramsey, Chubb, and Hill they thought they could go straight to a SB run, but to date they still haven’t proven they can beat the best teams, and as such aren’t really a contender, even though they are a playoff caliber team. The Lions, on the other hand, pulled off the rare feat of acquiring a good quarterback, and then building around him systematically to the point where they are a true contender, and not likely to fall apart suddenly because they overindulged in big ticket players. If anything their cap and front office will become tested because they have been drafting so well, and those paydays will come due as well, but they are still better managed as a franchise than the Dolphins are.

IMO the real debate in this site right now is similar to the contrast between the Dolphins and Lions. There are those who want immediate success, no matter what the cost is, and they want Maye put on the field right now, and they are angry Wolg didn’t spend heavily in a bad free agent market, and seem to want every big name that comes up in trade talk. On the other side are those who want them to be patient with Maye, and let him learn the offense fully before becoming the starting QB. And along the same line we’re ok with Wolf not spending heavily in this past free agent market, or trading away high picks for older star players. Those are two very different approaches, the first is more likely to give immediate gratification, and probably more wins in the short term, but with the disadvantage of a much shorter team window for success, and a much higher likelihood of ruining Maye by playing before he’s really ready. The latter approach means more losing this year, and possibly next, but a stronger likelihood of long term success both for Maye and the franchise. And which camp you are in is very closely related to how you feel about the job Wolf is doing overall. I am obviously in the latter camp, and I am glad Maye is sitting, OK with them losing for now, and I believe Wolf is doing really good job. Those in the other camp probably think he sucks, and are already calling for his head, or will be shortly.

And to go back to your original question, yes, I do think those opposed to picking Maye are the loudest voices screaming to play him now, because they already thought he sucked, and don’t care if he succeeds or not. Either way they win, if he plays well they will say” see, they should have been playing him,” and if he plays poorly they will say” I told you he sucked, ****ing Wolf blew it.”

 

[Huckleberry1]

Cowboys had good teams and even made the play offs a bunch over the years. Jerry Jones priority is revenue and being a showman. We've made the playoffs once in last 5 seasons. Has nothing to do with demands of us as fans. It's how the product on the field looks. I get your points but I'm just going by the last 5 seasons..

The common denominator is the QB without adequate QB play in the NFL It's nearly impossible to win.

So what you want is revenues and a showman approach to running the team. So put that QB out there, make the fans happy, and don’t let the QB learn the offense because the fans are restless. Great idea, should lead to years of 8-9 playoff seasons.

 

[Clonamery]

I think it plays a role in it. I think most of those who wanted them to take Maye realized at the time that they would likely sit him until he fully learned the offense before playing. Whether took all or most of the season didn’t matter to most of us because we were looking at the pick to be their long term answer at QB, and not an instant fix for a bad team, or just someone to “ entertain “ us.

If your goal is to see the Patriots win more Super Bowl’s then you need your team to get to the playoffs constantly, and you have to build from a playoff caliber team to a contender, which is a team that can beat the best team’s regularly. Once you reach the playoff level you can go different routes. The Dolphins and the Lions are good examples of this. The Dolphins have basically gone all in, by trading for big ticket players like Ramsey, Chubb, and Hill they thought they could go straight to a SB run, but to date they still haven’t proven they can beat the best teams, and as such aren’t really a contender, even though they are a playoff caliber team. The Lions, on the other hand, pulled off the rare feat of acquiring a good quarterback, and then building around him systematically to the point where they are a true contender, and not likely to fall apart suddenly because they overindulged in big ticket players. If anything their cap and front office will become tested because they have been drafting so well, and those paydays will come due as well, but they are still better managed as a franchise than the Dolphins are.

IMO the real debate in this site right now is similar to the contrast between the Dolphins and Lions. There are those who want immediate success, no matter what the cost is, and they want Maye put on the field right now, and they are angry Wolg didn’t spend heavily in a bad free agent market, and seem to want every big name that comes up in trade talk. On the other side are those who want them to be patient with Maye, and let him learn the offense fully before becoming the starting QB. And along the same line we’re ok with Wolf not spending heavily in this past free agent market, or trading away high picks for older star players. Those are two very different approaches, the first is more likely to give immediate gratification, and probably more wins in the short term, but with the disadvantage of a much shorter team window for success, and a much higher likelihood of ruining Maye by playing before he’s really ready. The latter approach means more losing this year, and possibly next, but a stronger likelihood of long term success both for Maye and the franchise. And which camp you are in is very closely related to how you feel about the job Wolf is doing overall. I am obviously in the latter camp, and I am glad Maye is sitting, OK with them losing for now, and I believe Wolf is doing really good job. Those in the other camp probably think he sucks, and are already calling for his head, or will be shortly.

And to go back to your original question, yes, I do think those opposed to picking Maye are the loudest voices screaming to play him now, because they already thought he sucked, and don’t care if he succeeds or not. Either way they win, if he plays well they will say” see, they should have been playing him,” and if he plays poorly they will say” I told you he sucked, ****ing Wolf blew it.”

I wanted Maye to sit because what you said. There's not enough evidence that Wolf is, in your words, "doing a really good job." Did he have a good draft? Jury's out for a while as most need gestation TBF. How was Free Agency? I liked the re-signing of the Pats defensive core. Wasn't a fan of how they handled Judon but que sera sera. The rest of FA was an abomination except for Gibson. Yeah, yeah, the cap went up for everyone. Blah, blah, blah.

Wolf has done a great job of hiding and letting Mayo be the target of the overreaction crowd and the radio gobshites thus far. The Packer Way, what is that? Wear a pullover, khakis, loafers with a penny and look like you got 10 hours of sleep because you have no worries. Oh, don't swear at anyone because hurt feelings. Do I sound like Borges? Sure, but it's because the Plan didn't have have enough work except kick the can until next year because we told the owner it's a bye year.

It feels like no one in the organization is putting the work in.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I wanted Maye to sit because what you said. There's not enough evidence that Wolf is, in your words, "doing a really good job." Did he have a good draft? Jury's out for a while as most need gestation TBF. How was Free Agency? I liked the re-signing of the Pats defensive core. Wasn't a fan of how they handled Judon but que sera sera. The rest of FA was an abomination except for Gibson. Yeah, yeah, the cap went up for everyone. Blah, blah, blah.

Wolf has done a great job of hiding and letting Mayo be the target of the overreaction crowd and the radio gobshites thus far. The Packer Way, what is that? Wear a pullover, khakis, loafers with a penny and look like you got 10 hours of sleep because you have no worries. Oh, don't swear at anyone because hurt feelings. Do I sound like Borges? Sure, but it's because the Plan didn't have have enough work except kick the can until next year because we told the owner it's a bye year.

It feels like no one in the organization is putting the work in.

I like Wolf because he’s going about things the way I want him to go about things. There were a few players I really wanted in free agency, Wilkins and Barkley were at the top of that list, but when they went off the board there weren’t many left that I wanted them to spend significantly on. We agree on their re-signings. Whether or not it was a good or great draft depends heavily upon Maye, if he turns out to be a franchise QB people will love it, if he busts they will hate it. Either way he did exactly what I as hoping he would do at #3, he stayed put and took the QB, so I can’t fault him for that regardless of how Maye turns out, because it’s what I wanted. I like the Polk pick, I think he’s a baller, but what I really wanted was for them to try to move back up in the 1st for Guyton OT, take Powers -Johnson (C) with the #34 pick, or trade up from their 3rd round pick into the mid 2nd for one of the remaining tackles. I didn’t know enough about Wallace to judge the pick. That said I liked the WR picks, and the draft as a whole, but I won’t know if I’m right about that for a few years. But if they hit on Maye, Polk, and Robinson then it’s safe to say it was very good draft.

So the reason I like what Wolf is doing is because he’s going about things the way I want him to. That doesn’t mean I’m right, it just means I agree with the approach he has taken. The next offseason will be different though, as he will have to be more aggressive in free agency, and the way they use their picks will also be different, as the class has different strengths and weaknesses, and they have 10 picks to use. Overall think you need to give a GM at least 4-5 years to gauge their success or failure, as that at least gives their first 2-3 offseasons the time to show whether they were good decisions or not. But I’m sure many want more immediate results, and will judge him according to their views on how to build a successful franchise.

 

[State]

The Lions, on the other hand, pulled off the rare feat of acquiring a good quarterback, and then building around him systematically to the point where they are a true contender, and not likely to fall apart suddenly because they overindulged in big ticket players.

That was spread out before the Patriots. Acquire underrated Garner Minshew or, ideally, Justin Fields, whom the Steelers will have to give up a fourth-rounder if he plays 51% or more. Keep Mac Jones. Trade out of pick 3. Acquire a stud tackle. An extra first-rounder this year? Definitely next year.

Draft a Joe Milton or a Spencer Rattler as a developmental quarterback prospect.

It was all right there.

But the team followed conventional wisdom and went for the bright shiny object.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I wanted Maye to sit because what you said. There's not enough evidence that Wolf is, in your words, "doing a really good job." Did he have a good draft? Jury's out for a while as most need gestation TBF. How was Free Agency? I liked the re-signing of the Pats defensive core. Wasn't a fan of how they handled Judon but que sera sera. The rest of FA was an abomination except for Gibson. Yeah, yeah, the cap went up for everyone. Blah, blah, blah.

Wolf has done a great job of hiding and letting Mayo be the target of the overreaction crowd and the radio gobshites thus far. The Packer Way, what is that? Wear a pullover, khakis, loafers with a penny and look like you got 10 hours of sleep because you have no worries. Oh, don't swear at anyone because hurt feelings. Do I sound like Borges? Sure, but it's because the Plan didn't have have enough work except kick the can until next year because we told the owner it's a bye year.

It feels like no one in the organization is putting the work in.

No, Borges was a petty person and a liar, and an *******. What he wrote was heavily influenced by who he liked and gave him access, and who he didn’t like. So no, you don’t sound like Borges.

 

[ahmed]

Not a good look for Mayo.

Look like kids with parents with no discipline

If true, unfortunately I agree. He needs to stamp it out.

 

[ahmed]

Some of you guys REALLY want Mayo's demeanor to be the reason they suck. They sucked last year too with BB. The polar opposite. Give it a rest already. The roster sucks. This is what sucky teams do. They lose and they sound like this. When they win, they don't sound like this.

And Bill lost his job as a result. I was a big Mayo supporter before he became HC but he cannot afford to seem to players that he can be tuned out. If this is true then he needs to nip it in the bud.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The "what about Bill" **** is getting old.

This team will not go anywhere until the people currently in charge own the problem. Under the best of circumstances NFL rosters turn over so quickly that teams change drastically every year. Like it or not, this is no longer BB's Patriots. Any mention of previous regimes impact on the current team by Mayo, Wolf or Kraft should be considered a red flag that the current leadership team is not up for the job.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

And which camp you are in is very closely related to how you feel about the job Wolf is doing overall. I am obviously in the latter camp, and I am glad Maye is sitting, OK with them losing for now, and I believe Wolf is doing really good job. it.”

I straddle the two camps. I’m on team sit Drake, but believe Wolf’s draft was a bust (outside of Maye). We shouldn’t have used picks on guys like Polk and Baker given the OL situation. WRs of decent caliber are far more available than linemen. We needed bites at the OL apple this year, and not in retrospect. It was well known, but Wolf thought we had it covered.