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And, of course, there's this.

 
Bill Simmons is saying the Giants offered the patriots this years 1st (6) 2nd and 3rd AND next years 1st 2nd and 3rd for the 3.
5 extra premium picks to move down 3 spots.
Do you think they should have taken it or stuck with Maye?
As I have said before (in slightly modified form), there is an incontrovertible fact:

The Patriots were going to be able to draft Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels. By all accounts, Maye was their preferred QB, but it sounds like they were fine with taking Daniels if Maye went #2.

If they traded down, all bets were off at that point. There's no guarantee they would've gotten a starting QB they wanted with their lower pick. Moreover, they could end up in the worst case scenario of fixing most of their problems and ending up as next year's Minnesota Vikings: praying a top QB fell or hoping they could convince a team to trade down so they could grab their QB of the future. . . . with no guarantee that they'd be as good or better than Maye and/or Daniels.
 
So you're saying you'd rather have a bunch of picks and you don't want Maye?
He wasn't. But I am. Would have had picks 3, 6, 37, 47, 68, 70 this year, and an excellent chance at 2 picks in the top 3 in the top 3 rounds next year.

Pretty sure you can pick up a QB AND a Tackle AND a WR with those picks. 12 top 70 picks over two years can fix your entire offense and defense.

Or you can draft Drake Maye - who either didn't beat out Jacoby Brissett, or did, and they're afraid he's so fragile that he can't take a hit - no offensive linemen, and two WRs that could very well be JAGs.

But you've got 50 million in cap space, so you've got that going for you.
 
JD is creatively mobile, accurate as hell, has a great deep ball, great size and is a winner at a top program. Great footwork, quick release. Finished product
Given a free choice, I would choose JD for the reasons you give. The only reservation might pertain to your "Finished product" remark. Many who prefer Maye will cite his "upside," thinking that once Maye, who has clearly not yet reached his full potential, ("unfinished" in that sense) will be the better player once his potential is realized. Maybe he will, and maybe he won't. Others might think of Maye as better suited to the sort of offense presently envisioned for the Pats, but I don't at all think it's a sure thing that the OC/GM combo who promote that offensive approach will necessarily be around in perpetuity, with the prospect that the next offensive regime might adopt an approach better suited to JD's skills. All in all, I'd have taken Daniels, but maybe we should have traded down, accumulating the picks needed to build a decent opportunity for a prospect drafted low last draft or for a high-draft-pick QB to be drafted next year. I remember thinking during the draft when Curran and others advocated that approach that it didn't seem a very exciting prospect compared with drafting your knight in shining armor qb, but it might on reflection have been the smart thing to do. If the overall team were better, the o-line in particular, we might not face as we do now the prospect of having to waste a year of cheap quarterback play.
 
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He wasn't. But I am. Would have had picks 3, 6, 37, 47, 68, 70 this year, and an excellent chance at 2 picks in the top 3 in the top 3 rounds next year.

Pretty sure you can pick up a QB AND a Tackle AND a WR with those picks. 12 top 70 picks over two years can fix your entire offense and defense.

Or you can draft Drake Maye - who either didn't beat out Jacoby Brissett, or did, and they're afraid he's so fragile that he can't take a hit - no offensive linemen, and two WRs that could very well be JAGs.

But you've got 50 million in cap space, so you've got that going for you.
You don't get to keep # 3 too.

Clearly you don't like Maye.

And clearly you're not happy with the off-season spending so I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.
 
There's lying and there's simply being wrong. Simmons may never lie, but he's been wrong plenty.
Since he is saying he was told that was the offer right/wrong and truth/lie are the same thing.
 
JD is creatively mobile, accurate as hell, has a great deep ball, great size and is a winner at a top program. Great footwork, quick release. Finished product
Daniels is tall and skinny. 6'4" and 210 pounds. You could see him in street clothes at the Pats v. Commanders preseason game. Daniels is nearly 24 so he is done growing. He has to add 20 or 25 pounds or he will never last in the NFL.

Williams is a small guy. Small QBs rarely make it in the NFL. Hard pass. He will flash in Y1 and Y2 and then be injured and disappoint for years.
 
Daniels is tall and skinny. 6'4" and 210 pounds. You could see him in street clothes at the Pats v. Commanders preseason game. Daniels is nearly 24 so he is done growing. He has to add 20 or 25 pounds or he will never last in the NFL.

Williams is a small guy. Small QBs rarely make it in the NFL. Hard pass. He will flash in Y1 and Y2 and then be injured and disappoint for years.
Tell me waht is elite or special about Maye. You can find flaws in any qb.
Can not dent Willians and Daniels have unique skill sets.

Other than Maye’s size what elite skills does he have?
 
Tell me waht is elite or special about Maye. You can find flaws in any qb.
Can not dent Willians and Daniels have unique skill sets.

Other than Maye’s size what elite skills does he have?
Age and athleticism. He just turned 22 this week. Maye's size gives him a huge advantage over the others. Maye moves and runs well so he is athletic in addition to his size. That creates a higher ceiling than Williams or Daniels. This is easy to understand so I am sure you get it. Not sure why you avoid telling the whole story.

Williams and Daniels are definitely better QBs in 2024 and 2025. No doubt about that. But we do not want a QB for 5 years or less. Will Maye develop and emerge? Maye looked great on the 1st drive last week, and then his footwork and timing were off the next few drives. So who knows? Maybe Maye develops into a QB like Allen, or maybe he is a bust.

Either way Williams and Daniels have a higher floor. You are right about that. Maye has a higher ceiling than either guy, and the Pats picked Maye, so we have to wait and see.
 
Now that the Pats have Maye, when they finish with a poor record they will able to trade back with a qb needy team for future picks.

Either way I expect us to trade down one of these two drafts. It doesn’t really matter to me whether it was last draft or the upcoming one.

Qbs always rise by the end of the process. I think Qbs like Wade from the u will be one of those risers like Daniels the year before.
 
Tell me waht is elite or special about Maye. You can find flaws in any qb.
Can not dent Willians and Daniels have unique skill sets.

Other than Maye’s size what elite skills does he have?
Sam Bam strikes again. You really don't think Maye has any elite skills? Just about every scout would disagree with your take.
 
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Now that the Pats have Maye, when they finish with a poor record they will able to trade back with a qb needy team for future picks.

Either way I expect us to trade down one of these two drafts. It doesn’t really matter to me whether it was last draft or the upcoming one.

Qbs always rise by the end of the process. I think Qbs like Wade from the u will be one of those risers like Daniels the year before.
Watch Will Howard skyrocket as the Ohio State university wins a national championship.
After another season like last year Ewers will start to be called can’t miss.
 
Tell me waht is elite or special about Maye. You can find flaws in any qb.
Can not dent Willians and Daniels have unique skill sets.

Other than Maye’s size what elite skills does he have?
The reality is that you don’t know if a qb is special until they become special. A special Qb isn’t one who makes cool plays or some great throws, but a special QB is one who understands defenses, competes harder than the other guy, and is at his best when the game is on the line.
The rules have changed so lots of QBs can put up big numbers. Numbers don’t win championships making that handful of most important plays does.
Being a QB who decides championships is 90% mental and 10% physical, once you have at least NFL level physical skills. In other words the brain separates nfl caliber QBs not their difference in physical skills.
 
Watch Will Howard skyrocket as the Ohio State university wins a national championship.
After another season like last year Ewers will start to be called can’t miss.
No one has ever gone broke betting that OSU will blow the championship.
 
Age and athleticism. He just turned 22 this week. Maye's size gives him a huge advantage over the others. Maye moves and runs well so he is athletic in addition to his size. That creates a higher ceiling than Williams or Daniels. This is easy to understand so I am sure you get it. Not sure why you avoid telling the whole story.

Williams and Daniels are definitely better QBs in 2024 and 2025. No doubt about that. But we do not want a QB for 5 years or less. Will Maye develop and emerge? Maye looked great on the 1st drive last week, and then his footwork and timing were off the next few drives. So who knows? Maybe Maye develops into a QB like Allen, or maybe he is a bust.

Either way Williams and Daniels have a higher floor. You are right about that. Maye has a higher ceiling than either guy, and the Pats picked Maye, so we have to wait and see.
Good analysis. Maye is more raw than the other two and why wouldnt he be he literally just turned 22- but his ceiling is much higher. No point hand wringing over the other two anyway Pats had no shot at either.
 
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