Maye must play

[lancerman]

This isn’t Mahomes sitting behind Alex Smith on a playoff team, Rivers behind Brees, Rodgers behind Favre, Love behind Rodgers, or anything like that. What’s the precedence for a QB sitting behind a guy like Brissett who, respectively, is terrible?

I think there’s some benefit to starting Brissett to begin with. Let the OL and WR depth charts shake themselves out some in real game action. And honestly, set the bar low so that if Maye and the team struggles it isn’t seen as an indictment of his own place specifically. But I’d like to see them get him in there probably by week 9. Sooner if he proves ready.

It's the exact same benefit Rivers, Rodgers and Mahomes got. They had mechanics and fundamentals the team wanted to work on and allow them to learn to read defenses in a completely controlled environment. Favre didn't do a ****ing thing to develop Rodgers, it's well documented that he was cold and didn't embrace him and Rodgers is like the complete opposite style player.

The only difference and benefit having those starters in front of them was that the fanbase wasn't screaming bloody murder for them to disrupt what they thought was best for that QB so they could ruin their development and what they thought was best. In fact, in many cases, when a QB sits, they learn what NOT to do. Favre was a gun slinger who took unneccessary ris, Rodgers is an accurracy and efficiency god. Smith was about as generic a QB as you could have, Mahomes breaks almost all the rules because he knows his strengths and what he can get away with. Bledsoe was a pocket passer who was a statue in the pocket, Brady became the greatest QB ever in terms of pocket presence.

We aren't winning this year. There's no point in disrupting his development so fans can get coddled for a few games before they realize what the coaching staff already knows.

 

[KCSVEN]

Of course, you don't understand. His throws are perfect, he makes all the right reads, he's like Mahomes just a little unorthodox with his arm angles and where he has his feet are when throws but he has better results than Brissett so he should start. Hey, you can only play against who you are up against. And the coverage has been dialed up you know. There are no ghosts. So yeah, I get why you don't understand so I'll start working on those 800 articles right about n

That's not any analysis at all there???
When you read the article proving footwork has zero bearing on NFL QB success throwing the ball, you then found something to dispute that analysis? Did you post it somewhere, I didn't see it?

 

[lancerman]

That’s a myth.

It's what happened. He failed. He never got over bad habits and he succumbed to pressure more and more as he played until by the end he completely lost all confidence and was playing desperate.

It's really weird that Pats fans are acting more like Browns fans than fans of teams that actually succeed. It's even weirder when we all know this season is a building year anyways and there's no Super Bowl at the end of the tunnel.

 

[KCSVEN]

It's the exact same benefit Rivers, Rodgers and Mahomes got. They had mechanics and fundamentals the team wanted to work on and allow them to learn to read defenses in a completely controlled environment. Favre didn't do a ****ing thing to develop Rodgers, it's well documented that he was cold and didn't embrace him and Rodgers is like the complete opposite style player.

There is ZERO evidence they got that benefit because they sat. The evidence has proven otherwise when doing detailed Statistical analysis of success of sitters vs non-sitters. They sat because the guy playing in front of them was very good and experience matters when you are trying to actually win games and not rebuilding. Not ONE of those teams were rebuilding and had time to lose a few games while the rookie QB figured it out. Has nothing to do with a situation on a rebuilding team where WE KNOW STATISTICALLY the QB should play, it cannot be argued against: the odds favor playing vs not, it's just a statistical FACT

 

[lancerman]

That's not any analysis at all there???
When you read the article proving footwork has zero bearing on NFL QB success throwing the ball, you then found something to dispute that analysis? Did you post it somewhere, I didn't see it?

Right? Mahomes is a super elite at what he does and he gets away with **** that would be a detriment to most QB's who don't have the talent and intelligence to make it work. He's like that boxer who breaks all the rules because he is good and understands what is going on so intimately that he knows how he can make it an advantage. For Maye and 99% of people that enter the NFL, it's a hindrance that will be exploited by teams playing them.

 

[lancerman]

There is ZERO evidence they got that benefit because they sat. The evidence has proven otherwise when doing detailed Statistical analysis of success of sitters vs non-sitters. They sat because the guy playing in front of them was very good and experience matters when you are trying to actually win games and not rebuilding. Not ONE of those teams were rebuilding and had time to lose a few games while the rookie QB figured it out. Has nothing to do with a situation on a rebuilding team where WE KNOW STATISTICALLY the QB should play, it cannot be argued against: the odds favor playing vs not, it's just a statistical FACT

There is 100%. Rodgers got his entire throwing mechanics reworked in the 3 years he sat.

Here's the evidence, since 2000, there are 4 surefire HOF QB's that came into the league. Tom Brady (he sat a year), Drew Brees (he sat a year), Aaron Rodgers (he sat 3 years), Patrick Mahomes (he sat a year). The only two QB's with shots at the HOF in that time frame besides them are Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning. Both are considered a tier below those guys if that and one is generally considered a mediocre streaky guy. And I'd argue that Eli particularly developed bad habits that followed him his entire career. Also in that draft class Rivers is actually the better pure QB, and he sat. That's a quarter of a century of QB's where the top end all sat.

We don't know "statistically" that a QB should play. We know most teams rush their QB out there. We know statistically that most of those QB's fail. Really the evidence is saying that the percentage of failure is high and the ceiling is lower. Especially in the modern era.

 

[Clonamery]

That's not any analysis at all there???
When you read the article proving footwork has zero bearing on NFL QB success throwing the ball, you then found something to dispute that analysis? Did you post it somewhere, I didn't see it?

It's right in front of you. It can't be any clearer. You have brain fog or something because there is nothing wrong with Maye's footwork or his accuracy. He's mint.

 

[KCSVEN]

There is 100%. Rodgers got his entire throwing mechanics reworked in the 3 years he sat.

Here's the evidence, since 2000, there are 4 surefire HOF QB's that came into the league. Tom Brady (he sat a year), Drew Brees (he sat a year), Aaron Rodgers (he sat 3 years), Patrick Mahomes (he sat a year). The only two QB's with shots at the HOF in that time frame besides them are Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning. Both are considered a tier below those guys if that and one is generally considered a mediocre streaky guy. And I'd argue that Eli particularly developed bad habits that followed him his entire career. Also in that draft class Rivers is actually the better pure QB, and he sat. That's a quarter of a century of QB's where the top end all sat.

We don't know "statistically" that a QB should play. We know most teams rush their QB out there. We know statistically that most of those QB's fail. Really the evidence is saying that the percentage of failure is high and the ceiling is lower. Especially in the modern era.

That's not evidence, we've been through this and been proven wrong.
WE DO KNOW a QB drafted high should play, the analysis has been done multiple times, you must have read the analysis, since you are arguing this point, I would assume you spent hours researching it, if not than your opinion is uneducated and can be ignored.

 

[KCSVEN]

It's right in front of you. It can't be any clearer. You have brain fog or something because there is nothing wrong with Maye's footwork or his accuracy. He's mint.

Yup, that's exactly what I said. NOT.
You refuse to answer research with research, you answer analytics and statistics with an opinion based on confirmation bias.
Dunning-Kruger in full effect.

 

[sb1]

It's what happened. He failed. He never got over bad habits and he succumbed to pressure more and more as he played until by the end he completely lost all confidence and was playing desperate.

It's really weird that Pats fans are acting more like Browns fans than fans of teams that actually succeed. It's even weirder when we all know this season is a building year anyways and there's no Super Bowl at the end of the tunnel.

Also Jones was always a pro ready high floor low ceiling guy with all the good and bad that comes with that. Wretched coaching turned him into something else. Either way I don't think he has the temperament to start, he's in a role more suited to him now.

 

[Rob0729]

The deal is, there is nobody in front of him that is preventing him from playing today. They took him #3 overall for a reason. Mac Jones played when he was the 15th overall pick. There’s no excuse.

Mac came into the league NFL ready. It is a false equivalence. When drafting Maye it was understood that he has some incredible raw talent emphasize on raw. Mac was considered a high floor low ceiling guy. Maye is a low floor high ceiling guy. Two totally different situations.

 

[Real fan 02]

Looks ready to me, why hold back his development?

Absolutely agree. I believe this is where he may have won the starting job.

 

[sb1]

Looks ready to me, why hold back his development?

He is still raw much like Josh Allen when he started in the league. Also he was playing against backups not starters.

He'll play at some point in 2024 but it wouldn't surprise me if it's not week 1.

 

[Sicilian]

He's on the right trajectory. I think there are benefits to letting him sit for the first four games (give or take), he's moving in the right direction and looks comfortable. That's about all I'm willing to judge at this point in the process.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Let him go out there and learn from his mistakes. It worked for Bledsoe and even Manning. Throw some TDs, throw some picks, start recognizing coverages and assignments, learn how the game is played. Expectations should be low for the overall record but as long as he’s doing good things, making exciting plays. I’ll keep cheering regardless of the outcome. He has the gifts, let’s put them on display.

 

[Real fan 02]

He was also playing against #2's who aren't running the full eagles defense. It's all bar cover, play your man. Individual skill drills. He def needs more time to develop

Eagles had most of thier starting D line and DBs.. out there. Yes of course he does. But playing is the only way he does. There is no future HOF QB for him to sit and learn from.

 

[Real fan 02]

He's wild, his mechanics are still terrible and he's playing against back ups and looking average except that he's quick to run. Other than that, sure he's ready.

Mac also played well against back ups his rookie season in the pre season. Just like drake.. he was slated to sit behind cam.. I think this game makes the team really think on wich way they want to go with maye. Although not perfect he showed enough to believe he should be at least practicing with the first team offense.

 

[Ring 6]

It's what happened. He failed. He never got over bad habits and he succumbed to pressure more and more as he played until by the end he completely lost all confidence and was playing desperate.

It's really weird that Pats fans are acting more like Browns fans than fans of teams that actually succeed. It's even weirder when we all know this season is a building year anyways and there's no Super Bowl at the end of the tunnel.

He didn’t fail because he played football, he failed because he sucks.

Is that what we do now? Pick a player that failed and make up that’s it’s because of the reason we want to argue?

I want Maye to play because I want Maye to be better next year. I want to develop the QB. If it costs us games this year, that is fine, he needs to develop.
The front office didn’t bring in any players to build with so all we have to improve is the draft picks. Maye needs nfl experience. He needs to get it now. I coukd not care less if he is the best 2024 QB, he is the 2025 QB and the top priority of 2024 is to get him ready by getting him experienced. It’s the ultimate long range philosophy so I’m not sure what in the world your last paragraph is about

 

[Ring 6]

Mac came into the league NFL ready. It is a false equivalence. When drafting Maye it was understood that he has some incredible raw talent emphasize on raw. Mac was considered a high floor low ceiling guy. Maye is a low floor high ceiling guy. Two totally different situations.

Says who?
How do you expect Maye to improve as a football player without playing football?

 

[Ring 6]

It's right in front of you. It can't be any clearer. You have brain fog or something because there is nothing wrong with Maye's footwork or his accuracy. He's mint.

What do you do to improve footwork and accuracy? Isn’t that done by having passing reps? How does he get better at that sitting on the bench?