If Schuster Looks Good In Camp

[Real fan 02]

who?

All pro Zappe

 

[n1997y]

I think concerns about Boutte are mostly about coachability and motivation, but the concerns about Baker run deeper. Bedard seems to think he’s a ticking time bomb.

The gambling charges are no indicator of reason for concern?

TBH that ranks pretty low on my scale for off-field transgressions. Besides, the charges got dropped.

no, not at all.

According to an article recently posted here it was a ridiculous amount of bets. About 5 thousand bets if memory serves right---and that's just what they could find. Given his age when this happened, it means he placed at least 5 thousand bets in a very short time.

That kind of gambling addiction is no joke.

Or maybe not an addiction, maybe he’s making book by making book….

Except it was almost certainly other people betting THROUGH him, or more likely even, through his computer without anything on his part. Probably why the whole thing was dropped.

So a kid with questions about motivation and coachability goes making lots of bets for other people when he knows gambling is forbidden and it’s no big deal?

His judgment isn’t demonstrably poor?

His choice of associates is unimpeachable?

Possibility he was running an illegal bookmaking shop by placing bets for other people is NBD?

Sheesh. Talk about ignoring red flags.

 

[Sect140]

If Schuster looks good in camp-trade him. There’s a strong likelihood he will break down again, so try to pick up a mid round pick for him, and go with the young guys, or use his spot to keep a player at a different position that they really don’t want to release.

I agree.

 

[IcyPatriot]

If Schuster looks good in camp (top 3), it would seem somehow wrong to lose cap money to cut him.

One option is to trade Osborn. As another posted noted, Osborn was sign to a 1-year contract when we had almost no one. Since then, we've added Polk and Baker, plus Shuster is looking good (and perhaps even Thornton is looking good).

We have Bourne and the 3 kids. We have room for one veteran to be a starting WR. There is no need for any more WR's unless we keep someone while Bourne is not yet available.

There's No Way Schuster Makes This Team.

Some nostalgia ... always a fun thread. "There's no way Patten makes this team" was epic. Choose your own if so motivated.

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[rochrist]

Or maybe not an addiction, maybe he’s making book by making book….

So a kid with questions about motivation and coachability goes making lots of bets for other people when he knows gambling is forbidden and it’s no big deal?

His judgment isn’t demonstrably poor?

His choice of associates is unimpeachable?

Possibility he was running an illegal bookmaking shop by placing bets for other people is NBD?

Sheesh. Talk about ignoring red flags.

My point was that there's a decent possibility that his computer was hacked and was acting as a bot doing all this stuff without his knowledge. WHich would explain why they dropped ALL the charges. That being said, there are other character issues with him, and he hasn't done anything to impress me to date.

 

[patman52]

According to an article recently posted here it was a ridiculous amount of bets. About 5 thousand bets if memory serves right---and that's just what they could find. Given his age when this happened, it means he placed at least 5 thousand bets in a very short time.

That kind of gambling addiction is no joke.

Or maybe not an addiction, maybe he’s making book by making book….

So a kid with questions about motivation and coachability goes making lots of bets for other people when he knows gambling is forbidden and it’s no big deal?

His judgment isn’t demonstrably poor?

His choice of associates is unimpeachable?

Possibility he was running an illegal bookmaking shop by placing bets for other people is NBD?

Sheesh. Talk about ignoring red flags.

Yeah, he made mistakes, so you dont draft him high, you draft him late.

 

[Wozzy]

doesn't that cry out even more so for a WR like Aiyuk, Higgins? Especially if the cost is a 3rd? or a 2026 2nd?
play Polk, Pop, Baker and Aiyuk day 1 WITH Maye. let the new offense start rolling immediately
finish the offense next season with a LT drafted in rd 1

If you offered my Aiyuk or Higgins for money alone, maybe… I’m still not paying him Justin Jefferson money. You’re acting like this is cheap and easy… it’s neither.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

My point was that there's a decent possibility that his computer was hacked and was acting as a bot doing all this stuff without his knowledge.

That's unlikely as you have to pony up real dollars. Seems like he lost a significant amount here, which suggests he was betting at least partly on behalf of others. According to court documents, he bet a total of $450,000, losing $65,000, in 2022. He bet $186,000, losing $16,000, in 2023.

"Barbera said in a statement that while there is "undisputed evidence" Boutte made underage bets, no one suffered financial loss as a result and he did not bet against himself or LSU's football team."

 

[mgteich]

That's unlikely as you have to pony up real dollars. Seems like he lost a significant amount here, which suggests he was betting at least partly on behalf of others. According to court documents, he bet a total of $450,000, losing $65,000, in 2022. He bet $186,000, losing $16,000, in 2023.

"Barbera said in a statement that while there is "undisputed evidence" Boutte made underage bets, no one suffered financial loss as a result and he did not bet against himself or LSU's football team."

If the team believes that character is no longer an issue, Boutte can compete for the roster. All he has to do is do beat out Schuster, Thornton, and Reagor to be the #6 WR, and that's only if there is a #6. NOT!

 

[stinkypete]

Boutte's ceiling is high enough that he is worth a shot to compete. He has the athleticism to start, the question mark is his mind.

We are pointing back to indiscretions he made back in college. What do we know about his demeanor in the locker room in 2023? Was he a good teammate? Did he mature? I have no idea.

Back to JuJu, I don't see any point in worrying about his dead cap charge. It's not preventing us from bringing in anyone this year. If he looks like a player again in camp, I'd rather see him net some return. He's not sticking around past 2024, so what's the point of keeping him on a bad team, holding back the kids. I'd rather see Thornton get another shot than JuJu.

 

[farn]

« If I start dating Zendaya »

« If I win a million dollars »

« If I move to an mansion in Monaco »

….there are many scenarios as likely as the JJ propostion suggested in this thread.

 

[mgteich]

« If I start dating Zendaya »

« If I win a million dollars »

« If I move to an mansion in Monaco »

….there are many scenarios as likely as the JJ propostion suggested in this thread.

fair enough

One scenario is that Bourne is on the PUP list and Schuster is kept on the 53 as our 5th WR until the trade deadline or until Bourne comes back. That way, we will have longer to find a trade if one isn't made before Game One. This isn't relevant to any decision regarding whether we want to keep 6 WR's. Schuster would simply be a short-time replacement for Bourne.

If you think that this scenario (along with others) total a one in a zillion event, then that is your personal analysis.

 

[AQPE]

Never seen a choir boy that ended up being a great player!

Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Julio Jones

 

[farn]

fair enough

One scenario is that Bourne is on the PUP list and Schuster is kept on the 53 as our 5th WR until the trade deadline or until Bourne comes back. That way, we will have longer to find a trade if one isn't made before Game One. This isn't relevant to any decision regarding whether we want to keep 6 WR's. Schuster would simply be a short-time replacement for Bourne.

If you think that this scenario (along with others) total a one in a zillion event, then that is your personal analysis.

I hope to be surprised by JJ and that he ends up contributing. But - at this point - I really can’t see him having any success. Rebuilding team with a bridge QB (or very inexperienced QB), after a poor year, with potentially suspect OL (especially LT)…

 

[patman52]

I still think they can get a late rd pick for him on his own. The Ravens are the only contending team that does not have the cap room to take him on. A couple of injuries to WRs around the league and I see him getting a late pick.

 

[Real fan 02]

Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Julio Jones

That's 3 great players out of at least 100

 

[AQPE]

That's 3 great players out of at least 100

This is just off the top of my head, but here’s 7 current NFC WRs that I think can be considered great players, who have done nothing but produce on the field and have been the best guy at the position for their teams. I don’t know what is meant by “choir boy” but the only thing I know of that is “negative” for any of them is in a few cases they had to go public to seek a better deal for themselves when they’ve earned it and know that’s how that part of the game is played in the NFL

Cooper Kupp
D.J. Metcalf
Justin Jefferson
Donovan Smith
A.J. Brown
Terry McLauren
Amon-Ra St. Brown

I had Michael Thomas listed also but looks like his injuries have slowed him down so probably not a current great NFC WR. I thought about Mike Evans also for this list, like Thomas I’m not sure he is on par with the others at this point but a couple or three years ago they’d be on my list of great NFC WR.

I can list dozens of guys at different positions currently in the NFC, and of course in the AFC, and can obviously list dozens of great players that aren’t playing currently that were nothing but great off the field.

It is ludicrous to assert that a guy needs to be a PITA me only jackass to be a great player. The exact opposite is true. Guys like Diggs and Hill are the exception, and meanwhile Diggs has exactly zero championships and Hill has watched his former team win both years after he shot his way out of KC. The real question is whether a guy’s BS is worth swallowing because of his impact. I’d take both Hill and Diggs in a heartbeat but can’t think of too many others of their ilk that are worth it.

The Pats need to “grow their own” great WR. With BB, that didn’t seem likely to happen. Let’s hope they have the coaching and talent evaluation skill now to fulfill this significant need. And finally, as important as this need is, it’s my opinion that the QB and LT needs are a lot more significant for them right now.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

It would be painful to watch Ju-ju go somewhere else and have a stellar season

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[captain stone]

My point was that there's a decent possibility that his computer was hacked and was acting as a bot doing all this stuff without his knowledge. WHich would explain why they dropped ALL the charges. That being said, there are other character issues with him, and he hasn't done anything to impress me to date.

Yep, my biggest concern with BootyTime is his lousy athletic testing at the combine & pro day; and standing at a shade under 6', he won't have any size advantages either.

 

[captain stone]

I see WR as pretty simple:

Polk, Baker, and Douglas aren't going anywhere.

That leaves 2 maybe 3 spots for everyone else. Individually we all have our favorites and guys we are ready to move on from but at the end of the day none of the rest are so good or so healthy that they will definitely make it.

It's an open competition and given our salary cap space now and in the coming years I don't see this as a major reason to choose or to cut anyone.

May the best players win.

Actual play time gets a lot more tricky. Douglas gets a lot I think is all we know for sure. Hopefully one of the rookies developes quickly otherwise a large number of snaps might have to come out of that second group of guys who aren't even locks.

Neither is Ozzy.