Judon apparently doesn't think he's going to get paid.

[Stu Pidassle]

Waiting for the Judon trade news. The team is not trying to be competitive in 2024, so it would be outrageous not to move him.

The team may not be worrying about their record, they definitely want to be competitive within games. Judon would help re-establish a winning culture in the locker room. The biggest obstacle for a trade is the return. I don't see other teams giving too much for someone his age, coming off an injury who is not happy with his contract. Since the defense played well after Judon was injured last year, a trade might be the best route if the value was there. Any OT's on another team that is in a similar position?

 

[Wozzy]

My question is what is judon actually looking for? I don't wolf would be unreasonable for such an all pro level player. Could it be he's asking for the world?

I’m pretty sure Judon’s agent is sniffing around with other teams to determine what he could get after a trade. If some team is dumb enough to overpay then his expectations will be oversized. At which point all the Patriots will have to agree upon is trade compensation.

Jennings can handle the outside LB position, he’ll be a force in contain against the run. Where he needs to improve is pass rush, they’ll need more from him. He has all the talent needed to be a starter.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Waiting for the Judon trade news. The team is not trying to be competitive in 2024, so it would be outrageous not to move him.

Where do you trade him though? He’s not a hand in the dirt guy, so you’re limited to teams that play a 3-4. That’s where the Pats have leverage to not do anything.

 

[Real fan 02]

I’m pretty sure Judon’s agent is sniffing around with other teams to determine what he could get after a trade. If some team is dumb enough to overpay then his expectations will be oversized. At which point all the Patriots will have to agree upon is trade compensation.

Jennings can handle the outside LB position, he’ll be a force in contain against the run. Where he needs to improve is pass rush, they’ll need more from him. He has all the talent needed to be a starter.

Agree. I like Jennings alot. As I als

 

[Real fan 02]

Agree. I like Jennings alot. As I always have said players need time on the field.. film study, practice reps is all well and good but guys need to play. Jennings got that opportunity and marveled in it. Guy was near the top of the league in run stuffs and tackles for losses last season.. I really like Jennings he has an opportunity to be a all pro level player. I want judon part of this team.. but if camp rolls around and nothing is Done then things may seem more bleak than we may imagine. Wolf doesn't strike me as the hardball GM, penny pincher Bill was.

 

[Love The Drake]

Where do you trade him though? He’s not a hand in the dirt guy, so you’re limited to teams that play a 3-4. That’s where the Pats have leverage to not do anything.

Seattle?
LA rams
Bears
Raiders

 

[Triumph]

Don't play stupid. You know what I'm talking about. Actually you're not playing at all. Respect and fear are 2 different things. Bill had total control of players contracts... if you had total control of someones ability to feed thier families would you want them talking publicly? Bill did alot if players wrong with thier contracts.. that part doesn't get mentioned enough. So continue on with your award winning post.

You will never run out of excuses for this new regime.

Burn cash is a joke. This offseason Kraft has pinched pennies until they scream, but you will no doubt spin up a doosy how its been a success.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

You will never run out of excuses for this new regime.

Burn cash is a joke. This offseason Kraft has pinched pennies until they scream, but you will no doubt spin up a doosy how its been a success.

I’m confused by this take. If anything, I’d say they spent TOO MUCH. I’d never have given Onwenu the deal they did, or Dugger.

 

[Ian]

I’m confused by this take.

I agree. I also don’t understand why it’s so hard to believe that with the way the roster looked in March why it’s so much of a stretch to say free agents didn’t want to play here, regardless of the $$.

By all accounts, they were in the ballpark with guys they targeted. It ended up simply being that those who had options just chose elsewhere. Those who didn’t, accepted deals here. I mean, they leaked the frustration with Ridley after they felt like they were being used to jack up his price. Obviously, that’s ultimately what happened.

It was a less than ideal situation. With no Brady or Belichick, you had an unknown coach, uncertainty at QB and no real talent to lure guys to want to play with. Fortunately, months later, they sort of finally have that and if all goes to plan, it will help in 2025.

But for those who were saying it was/is a terrible roster, they sort of can’t have it both ways. The team also can’t go too far with spending on one guy and fully overpay because it complicates negotiations with other guys down the road. So I understand why they’ve remained diligent there.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree. I also don’t understand why it’s so hard to believe that with the way the roster looked in March why it’s so much of a stretch to say free agents didn’t want to play here, regardless of the $$.

By all accounts, they were in the ballpark with guys they targeted. It ended up simply being that those who had options just chose elsewhere. Those who didn’t, accepted deals here. I mean, they leaked the frustration with Ridley after they felt like they were being used to jack up his price. Obviously, that’s ultimately what happened.

It was a less than ideal situation. With no Brady or Belichick, you had an unknown coach, uncertainty at QB and no real talent to lure guys to want to play with. Fortunately, months later, they sort of finally have that and if all goes to plan, it will help in 2025.

But for those who were saying it was/is a terrible roster, they sort of can’t have it both ways. The team also can’t go too far with spending on one guy and fully overpay because it complicates negotiations with other guys down the road. So I understand why they’ve remained diligent there.

I think the real factor was QB, we hadn't taken a QB yet. I know Gibson, KJ Osborne for example said they thought about that but once they came into the organization, and met with Mayo and ownership they were embraced and felt like the Patriots were the best place for them.

But all those factors you mentioned yes absolutely they are FA deterents. However we re signed alot of our guys from a 4-13 team. Brady for so long was the organizations sales pitch.. I honestly believe players respected the heck out of bill.. but wanted to come here to play with brady and win a ring. If Drake is in the fact the guy, wich I believe he is then that lure will be back in Foxboro sooner than later that's why 2024 is far from a throw away, not try to win year. This year is important for a multitude of reasons.

 

[Real fan 02]

I’m confused by this take. If anything, I’d say they spent TOO MUCH. I’d never have given Onwenu the deal they did, or Dugger.

That is just Triumph, being Triumph..he knows they spent money. Heck they had too if I remember correctly I think they are now in the top half of the league in cash spent this offseason?

 

[JohnJH]

32 years old before the season starts
missed last year entirely due to injury
is under contract for this season.
redid his deal last season to forward him more money.

he needs to go out and play his way to another deal in free agency.
holding in, or holding out, will not get hm another deal. the teams D was very good last season with out him. the team resigned Tavai, Jennings and Uche. the team believes they have a stud in White.

best case scenario they can find a taker offering a #2. doubtful, but who knows.

I'd take a #2 in a heartbeat.

 

[Real fan 02]

You will never run out of excuses for this new regime.

Burn cash is a joke. This offseason Kraft has pinched pennies until they scream, but you will no doubt spin up a doosy how its been a success.

LOL sure... so if they didn't spend how are they now in the top half in cash spent? They did self-invest in thier own team. Isn't like FA was all that desirable.. Ridley is a nice player, but is he a #1 at this stage in his career who knows. Wolf's taken the right approach and win this team starts to win again you'll have your mom poms out..

 

[Real fan 02]

I'd take a #2 in a heartbeat.

If... just if... he's traded absolutely.. I doubt we'd get that for him though.. likely at 3rd or 4th.. and conditional for next year.

 

[JohnJH]

LOL sure... so if they didn't spend how are they now in the top half in cash spent? They did self-invest in thier own team. Isn't like FA was all that desirable.. Ridley is a nice player, but is he a #1 at this stage in his career who knows. Wolf's taken the right approach and win this team starts to win again you'll have your mom poms out..

IMHO, we dodged a proverbial bullet by not getting Ridley. Better to see what we'll have (or not have) in Douglas, Polk, and Baker. Additionally, we have possibly better and younger FA talent available in 2025, and not just at WR, but perhaps other positions as well. And, add to that the potential to draft a "Blue Chip" LT (in addition to any other hopefully hits they nail in the 2025 Draft).

 

[Real fan 02]

IMHO, we dodged a proverbial bullet by not getting Ridley. Better to see what we'll have (or not have) in Douglas, Polk, and Baker. Additionally, we have possibly better and younger FA talent available in 2025, and not just at WR, but perhaps other positions as well. And, add to that the potential to draft a "Blue Chip" LT (in addition to any other hopefully hits they nail in the 2025 Draft).

Absolutely agree. That seems to be the consensus on the forum I'm in that majority of seeing what we have in polk and baker. They won't have alot of pressure on them because we have other veterans that can help them acclimate as rookies. Guys like KB, juju, KJ, rham and Gibson for example. On LT it seems Chuks is likely the LT.. if he play well and solidifying himself as a solid LT he could be that blue chip guy. From what I've heard they have instituted things from scar that worked well on the o line. Drake's abilities will also help his line as well. If we signed Ridley would we have re upped more important players? Ownenu? Barmore? Dugger?

 

[mgteich]

I’m confused by this take. If anything, I’d say they spent TOO MUCH. I’d never have given Onwenu the deal they did, or Dugger.

First, this is a fact-free zone.
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We are a team wanting to compete in 2025 and 2026 and 2027.

Posters somehow believe that paying Onwenu, Dugger, Barmore, Henry, Andrews, Tavai and Jennings is just not enough. We should also pay a #1 WR, #1 LT and a #1 FS. After all, having a 7-win team instead of 5 or 6 is worth spending another $30M of 2024 cap money. NOT!
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Many posters think that we spent too much 2024 cap money on these players. They say that we needed to move more money into 2025, 2026 and 2027. I disagree. I think that the team will be able to sign what they need in 2025 and 2026 and push the money to future years, just as other teams do,
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AS AN ASIDE, many posters disagree with who we draft and who we paid (instead of sign someone else with the same money. That is a different issue entirely.
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Not WANTING to extend one of the best LB's in the NFL because he is 32 is just plain nuts! But that's fine. These are the same posters who wanted to blow up the 4 win team and to start over with youngsters.

 

[rkarp1]

IMHO, we dodged a proverbial bullet by not getting Ridley. Better to see what we'll have (or not have) in Douglas, Polk, and Baker. Additionally, we have possibly better and younger FA talent available in 2025, and not just at WR, but perhaps other positions as well. And, add to that the potential to draft a "Blue Chip" LT (in addition to any other hopefully hits they nail in the 2025 Draft).

if they signed Ridley they more than likely would have gone OT in the Polk draft slot.

 

[Real fan 02]

if they signed Ridley they more than likely would have gone OT in the Polk draft slot.

Ridley would have likey been a short term rental. Nice player, not what he was in ATL but still good player. I want us to start producing WRs that we draft.

 

[rkarp1]

Ridley would have likey been a short term rental. Nice player, not what he was in ATL but still good player. I want us to start producing WRs that we draft.

scheme and positional coaching
Pats have had neither the past 2 seasons