Judon apparently doesn't think he's going to get paid.

[Thelonious]

This is a case, I think where the "build the culture" factor, the "locker room presence factor" and the "team chemistry" factor really are worth taking into account on a young team with new coaches. At Judon's level, such stuff actually does matter. It represents real value.That does not mean you ignore his age or the fact there are young up-and-comers behind him who deserve to play, but it might and probably should mean you'd be willing to pony up a modest premium for him above what you might pay a player of similar age and talent and injury history who did not bring those intangibles to the table. I hope they keep him, but if he asks for more than a reasonable premium, sadly he might have to go.

 

[Real fan 02]

This is a case, I think where the "build the culture" factor, the "locker room presence factor" and the "team chemistry" factor really are worth taking into account on a young team with new coaches. At Judon's level, such stuff actually does matter. That does not mean you ignore his age or the fact there are young up-and-comers behind him who deserve to play, but it might and probably should mean you'd be willing to pony up a modest premium for him above what you might pay a player of similar age and talent and injury history who did not bring those intangibles to the table. I hope they keep him, but if he asks for more than a reasonable premium, sadly he might have to go.

Your absolutely correct in your assessment. I've practically been saying the same things in my post. Judon is such a wonderful person off the field as well. They guy is very connected in the communities, and is a must have player in the locker room. I'll never forget his optimism last season prior to him getting hurt.

To your point, I believe Judon deserves to be compensated well. Another thing I'll mention is.. Judon had never had the production he's had in NE, when he was in Baltimore. However he got a lucrative contract at the time 50 plus million. Now he's produced and wants more. I too hope they keep him around. What I think is happening is Judon has been offered an extension, and he's mulling over it. He's playing the leverage game. If we didn't have Gonzo, peppers, Duggers, Jennings, Barmore, j. Jones, Tavai, Bentley on this roster then I'd think Judon would have the ultimate leverage. Unfortunately age 32, coming of a serious injury he doesn't.

 

[Kdo5]

I agree! We got talent issues everywhere. What is the best draft pick we can get from Detroit for Judon? A 6th or 7th round pick???

How is an aging Judon going to help us? Squeeze one extra win at best if even that?

 

[rkarp1]

Reworking his current deal to move money up into 2023 without adding any new cash is not a big raise… it’s simply reworking his deal so his salary resembles other top defenders in the league at his position.

He outplayed his contract. They did the same for Gilmore because he reworked his deal two times prior and his salary his last season here was not commensurate with his level of play.

Like I said already, players don’t care about money they already earned. They’re going out there and putting their bodies on the line, they want their salary that season guaranteed at least and commensurate with their typical salary.

After averaging 14 million per season in salary the last three years, you saying he should shut his mouth and be happy playing for 7.5 million with no safety net is a terrible take and not realistic.

You’re the guy that wanted to pay Julio Jones when he was 32 years old and was already complete toast, but now you don’t want to pay Judon his average salary when he showed zero signs of slowing down last season? Makes sense….

with regards to AAV, the 20th ranked player is making $15m per. 2 of the 20 are over 30 years old.
when Judon signed his deal, he was top of the list. given his age, and the fact that he is not a free agent, he has zero leverage other than sitting out and collecting nothing on his current deal.
his salary is $8m with another $1m in per game bonus money.
I can see bumping his per game bonus money another $2m, and putting in some incentive money totaling another $4m.
If Judon plays most every game and plays well, he is in that $15m area.
if he does so, he is then a free agent coming off a great year. perhaps another deal is out there for him.
no way in the world I extend him into $15m+ per year for a couple of more years.

my desire to sign Julio was the season his deal was for $5m. and the Pats were desperate at WR.
signing Judon for $30m+ when the team just signed Uche, Jennings, Tavai and have White on a rookie deal is foolish

 

[Triumph]

Anyone with common sense who watch/listened to the interview on Greg hill knew mayo was jokingly saying burn cash.. I get it.. he's the HC so he's not allowed to have a little fun with media it's all military style no fun, don't crack a smile, don't dare give away the play calls and game plans... BS... this is a new regime..

Mayo jokingly said that.. yeah he walked it back some.. but the team has definitely self invested and "burned " cash! I don't see where the problem is.. IMO I don't think the players are disrespectful to him at all.. these are Mayo's guys.. he coached these guys.. judon and peppers if any are the main 2 guys deserving of and extension. I don't see a peep from peppers..

WTF are you babbling about? Burn cash.

It was taboo for players to take contract issues public when BB was HC. Why? Players respected and feared him. BB set a standard for player conduct across the board that is slowly fading away as I predicted. You just keep on gulping down the homer koolaid over there.

 

[Real fan 02]

WTF are you babbling about? Burn cash.

It was taboo for players to take contract issues public when BB was HC. Why? Players respected and feared him. BB set a standard for player conduct across the board that is slowly fading away as I predicted. You just keep on gulping down the homer koolaid over there.

Don't play stupid. You know what I'm talking about. Actually you're not playing at all. Respect and fear are 2 different things. Bill had total control of players contracts... if you had total control of someones ability to feed thier families would you want them talking publicly? Bill did alot if players wrong with thier contracts.. that part doesn't get mentioned enough. So continue on with your award winning post.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

WTF are you babbling about? Burn cash.

It was taboo for players to take contract issues public when BB was HC. Why? Players respected and feared him. BB set a standard for player conduct across the board that is slowly fading away as I predicted. You just keep on gulping down the homer koolaid over there.

BB had his way of doing business that ended in way that created a lot of animosity. Mayo is trying to establish himself as the HC and started out trying to demonstrate that there was a new, more open sheriff in town. He quickly found out that talking to the press is not like having a normal, open conversation in private. He needs to learn how to interact with the press without accidentally creating distractions. No pendulum starts in the middle, it is all part of the learning process. This will not be the last time that he makes a mistake as he establishes his way of leading the team.

 

[Fuzz]

Somehow this still hasn’t been posted in this thread. He posted this 2 hours after the other post:

 

[Real fan 02]

BB had his way of doing business that ended in way that created a lot of animosity. Mayo is trying to establish himself as the HC and started out trying to demonstrate that there was a new, more open sheriff in town. He quickly found out that talking to the press is not like having a normal, open conversation in private. He needs to learn how to interact with the press without accidentally creating distractions. No pendulum starts in the middle, it is all part of the learning process. This will not be the last time that he makes a mistake as he establishes his way of leading the team.

Trying to explain to him is like learning trigonometry. What you said makes perfect sense. I don't know why he feels players feared Bill, I believe they feared being cut if they didn't something wrong on/off the field. I remember Ted Johnson said guys would play with injuries just so they wouldn't be cut. Jules said lower level guys would be playing lottery tickets in the locker room as they weren't sure their contract incentives would be met..

Bill had total control of player contracts and when the goat was there he was masterful at his craft. Mayo IMO has adapted some and looks much more comfortable in his role.. he's genuine with the media, he's open and honest and to the point. Can't ask for much more from a HC. He'll have times when he faces adversity, but he will learn how to deal with it.

 

[Love The Drake]

Somehow this still hasn’t been posted in this thread. He posted this 2 hours after the other post:

I’m all for trading him to go get a WR or T.

 

[Wozzy]

with regards to AAV, the 20th ranked player is making $15m per. 2 of the 20 are over 30 years old.
when Judon signed his deal, he was top of the list. given his age, and the fact that he is not a free agent, he has zero leverage other than sitting out and collecting nothing on his current deal.
his salary is $8m with another $1m in per game bonus money.
I can see bumping his per game bonus money another $2m, and putting in some incentive money totaling another $4m.
If Judon plays most every game and plays well, he is in that $15m area.
if he does so, he is then a free agent coming off a great year. perhaps another deal is out there for him.
no way in the world I extend him into $15m+ per year for a couple of more years.

Well I'm glad you came around from "let him eat cake," to at least he deserves to make what he was making before.

my desire to sign Julio was the season his deal was for $5m. and the Pats were desperate at WR.

Julio Jones made 17.3 million dollars from the Titans, played ten games and caught 434 yards and 1 TD. He was toast and we knew that before they signed him. Judon was on his typical pace of leading the league in sacks last season... big difference.

signing Judon for $30m+ when the team just signed Uche, Jennings, Tavai and have White on a rookie deal is foolish

Tavai is an inside LB, he's not in the conversation. White is a DE on the other side and on a rookie deal, he's not either. Uche is on a one year deal making chickenfeed, he's also not an every down player, he's a situational pass rusher.

Jennings is the player you hope to replace Judon with and hopefully he can increase his sack total, but he isn't making that much money either so why not pay both. You can never have enough pass rush. It's odd how you went from being one of the most spend crazy armchair GM's in Patriot's forum history to the cheapest once Bill retired. Mayo promised to burn some cash... burn some cash on one of the best outside LB's and pass rushers in the NFL.

 

[Wozzy]

How is an aging Judon going to help us? Squeeze one extra win at best if even that?

16 sacks?

 

[Love The Drake]

Well I'm glad you came around from "let him eat cake," to at least he deserves to make what he was making before.

Julio Jones made 17.3 million dollars from the Titans, played ten games and caught 434 yards and 1 TD. He was toast and we knew that before they signed him. Judon was on his typical pace of leading the league in sacks last season... big difference.

Tavai is an inside LB, he's not in the conversation. White is a DE on the other side and on a rookie deal, he's not either. Uche is on a one year deal making chickenfeed, he's also not an every down player, he's a situational pass rusher.

Jennings is the player you hope to replace Judon with and hopefully he can increase his sack total, but he isn't making that much money either so why not pay both. You can never have enough pass rush. It's odd how you went from being one of the most spend crazy armchair GM's in Patriot's forum history to the cheapest once Bill retired. Mayo promised to burn some cash... burn some cash on one of the best outside LB's and pass rushers in the NFL.

It’s the age,
The Patriots are going into a youth movement.
It makes sense if your goal isn’t to pay players heading past their prime.
I believe Judon has one really good season left, but if they are eyeing a trade for a Aiyuk, Higgins, or Lamb.
Then not paying Judon makes sense.

 

[Wozzy]

It’s the age,
The Patriots are going into a youth movement.
It makes sense if your goal isn’t to pay players heading past their prime.
I believe Judon has one really good season left, but if they are eyeing a trade for a Aiyuk, Higgins, or Lamb.
Then not paying Judon makes sense.

Roman Phifer played until he was 37 years old, he was his productive self right up until 35... 30 isn't some magic number that shuts off all ability to do the job and Judon was productive last season before getting hurt.

Nobody is suggesting giving him a longterm deal... and if he's holding out for that he's only screwing himself. No team is going to do that, and for the Pats to trade him, the team on the receiving end of the trade will have to agree to a contract in advance... unless they're the Jets and they're just dumb (see Haason Reddick).

 

[Thunderhead]

Waiting for the Judon trade news. The team is not trying to be competitive in 2024, so it would be outrageous not to move him.

 

[Real fan 02]

Roman Phifer played until he was 37 years old, he was his productive self right up until 35... 30 isn't some magic number that shuts off all ability to do the job and Judon was productive last season before getting hurt.

Nobody is suggesting giving him a longterm deal... and if he's holding out for that he's only screwing himself. No team is going to do that, and for the Pats to trade him, the team on the receiving end of the trade will have to agree to a contract in advance... unless they're the Jets and they're just dumb (see Haason Reddick).

Don't forget the late great junior seau

 

[Real fan 02]

Waiting for the Judon trade news. The team is not trying to be competitive in 2024, so it would be outrageous not to move him.

You will be surprised..I think they are trying to be competitive.. this is a proud franchise.. they want to look competitive on offense, a ready made defense.. we just need the offense to be marginal.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Anyone with common sense who watch/listened to the interview on Greg hill knew mayo was jokingly saying burn cash.. I get it.. he's the HC so he's not allowed to have a little fun with media it's all military style no fun, don't crack a smile, don't dare give away the play calls and game plans... BS... this is a new regime..

Mayo jokingly said that.. yeah he walked it back some.. but the team has definitely self invested and "burned " cash! I don't see where the problem is.. IMO I don't think the players are disrespectful to him at all.. these are Mayo's guys.. he coached these guys.. judon and peppers if any are the main 2 guys deserving of and extension. I don't see a peep from peppers..

He also said it before the league announced a big cap increase, which allowed many of the cash limited teams to get deals done with key players who would have become free agents. That seriously diluted the caliber of the players who became available, and pushed many teams to pay lesser players bigger deals than they were worth.

 

[Real fan 02]

Roman Phifer played until he was 37 years old, he was his productive self right up until 35... 30 isn't some magic number that shuts off all ability to do the job and Judon was productive last season before getting hurt.

Nobody is suggesting giving him a longterm deal... and if he's holding out for that he's only screwing himself. No team is going to do that, and for the Pats to trade him, the team on the receiving end of the trade will have to agree to a contract in advance... unless they're the Jets and they're just dumb (see Haason Reddick).

My question is what is judon actually looking for? I don't wolf would be unreasonable for such an all pro level player. Could it be he's asking for the world?

 

[Real fan 02]

He also said it before the league announced a big cap increase, which allowed many of the cash limited teams to get deals done with key players who would have become free agents. That seriously diluted the caliber of the players who became available, and pushed many teams to pay lesser players bigger deals than they were worth.

Yes! I remember that. The league announced an increase in the cap!