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Time To Move On From Zappe and Shuster

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Career record

Zappe 4-4 (.500)
Jones 18-24 (.429)
Brissett 18-30 (.375)

Yet "Brissett is a major upgrade at QB"

Brissett was a project when we drafted him.. he had great athletic ability, and was projected to be developed behind brady. He's been at multiple stops and had to learn different offenses. I don't think people are proclaiming He's an all pro.. he's a veteran that's a steady hand and can run the AVP offense and be a mentor to Drake. Zap is what he is.
 
Yes , Brisette is being paid $8m to start.

If the team had any confidence in Zappe, we wouldn’t have signed brissett
Spot on. That's excellent correct. Zapp will earn his opportunity just like the other QB'S. However his potential IMO isn't anywhere near a starter in the NFL .
 
Yes , Brisette is being paid $8m to start.

If the team had any confidence in Zappe, we wouldn’t have signed brissett
Brissett knows AVP's system so that's one of the reasons they ignored better vets in Free Agency. Maybe you could start another thread about it.
 
Brissett knows AVP's system so that's one of the reasons they ignored better vets in Free Agency. Maybe you could start another thread about it.
Camp can't get here soon enough!
 
They may do well elsewhere, or not. For us, it is time to move on.

ZAPPE
I suppose we could keep him until the end of camp, in case of an injury, but that isn't the Patriot Way. I think that Maye is more ready than we think. Also, Milton could be the #2 if we don't want to put Maye on the field. What's the worst that would happen, another loss or two with Milton at QB?

MILTON
Milton is a fine candidate to be our #2 for the next 3 years (2025-2027). The coaches do have a lot of work in front of them. They could hire another assistant coach if necessary to work with him. Milton needs to learn how to pass effectively in the short to intermediate range. The main thing is that he has lots and lots of talent and a year and half (one season and two training camps) to learn to be good enough to be our #2. If not, we'll sign a free agent next year or even draft another QB in the 6th round.

SCHUSTER
Let me say it. I think that Shuster can be a #2. He played injured last year. If we had a mediocre year last year, Schuster would simply be one of the WR's for 2024 and 2025. But we've really moved on, re-signing Bourne, signing Osborn, and having 4 youngsters who all could be part of the future: Douglas, Polk, Baker and Thornton. Six is more than enough. We even have Reagor and Boutte as longshots and likely candidates for the Practice Squad.

I would move him as soon as we can convince a team that he is healthy and we have an offer. I'm happy as long as the other team picks up $2M of Schuster's 2024 salary, giving us no cap effect (instead of the $2M cap effect if we cut him).

Agree completely.
 
I don’t see Zappe lasting through the summer, unless they have no interest in keeping Milton, because another team will pick him up if he’s cut.
 
Win/loss is a TEAM stat.

Look at production and efficiency. Brissett has been consistently better for longer.

Zappe deserves a shot on a team with a great program.

Mac should sit on a bench and mature for a long time. Maybe he'll grow up one day and become semi-decent.
Zappe doesn’t “deserve” anything. He has to earn what he gets and all he’s earned so far is a pink slip last summer and probably another one before the season

Brissett is an ok backup but that’s who he is not more than that.
 
Career record

Zappe 4-4 (.500)
Jones 18-24 (.429)
Brissett 18-30 (.375)

Yet "Brissett is a major upgrade at QB"


Zappy smurf sucks. Jones is a Jaguar and not our problem anymore. Gimme Brissett between these 3.
 
Camp can't get here soon enough!

I can wait. We only get so many great days a year in Maine and I want to make the most of all of them. I won’t even be watching the games live until the snow flies. I just turn off everything until I’m in for the night and watch it then.
 
Yes , Brisette is being paid $8m to start.

If the team had any confidence in Zappe, we wouldn’t have signed brissett
Not if the team was leery of having Maye as #2 until the OL is stable and decent. Brissett could go down on day one, in the first quarter, in the first minute. And now you're throwing the future of the franchise, a rookie that needs more time to cook, behind an OL which is unproven. I believe that's what they are thinking. Zappe is not a starter, he's a backup, and that's why he is on the roster: to protect Maye should Brissett go down until we know what we have in the OL and until his development has progressed enough to give the brain trust confidence that he is ready. They might carry 3 QBs, but only if Milton goes to the PS.

So, it's either 3 QBs with Milton going to the PS, or 4 QBs. I'll be shocked if they cut Zappe and roll with Brissette, Maye and Milton.

Also: as I've said before, if you don't like Zappe, that's fine. Replace him with whatever available QB you like not named Maye or Milton.
 
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Zappe doesn’t “deserve” anything. He has to earn what he gets and all he’s earned so far is a pink slip last summer and probably another one before the season
Considering he played well in year one, then Krafty intervened and insisted Mac get his starting job back and all Bailey did after was clean up Mac’s mess… I’d say he deserves a fresh start.
Brissett is an ok backup but that’s who he is not more than that.
Hoyer was an okay backup, Brissett is a tad better than that.
 
I can wait. We only get so many great days a year in Maine and I want to make the most of all of them. I won’t even be watching the games live until the snow flies. I just turn off everything until I’m in for the night and watch it then.
Actually I'm excited for camp. I always get up for training camp.. seeing how our teams come together year in year out.. I used to go to camp but it's just to many people, hot and uncomfortable..

well you won't watch opening day? Lol Maine is beautiful the drive up sucks, buy once your there is just peaceful and tranquil.
 
Considering he played well in year one,
Meh.
then Krafty intervened and insisted Mac get his starting job back and all Bailey did after was clean up Mac’s mess… I’d say he deserves a fresh start.

Hoyer was an okay backup, Brissett is a tad better than that.
I think they're similar. Both are journeyman. Both NFL quality backups. "Tad better" than ok is still just ok. Both have flaws in their game that harden their ceilings. Both are fine in the short term but doubtful either gets you to the playoffs. Hoyer was more aggressive than Brissett and by nature of any aggressive QB that can lead to turnovers but also bigger plays.
 
Meh.

I think they're similar. Both are journeyman. Both NFL quality backups. "Tad better" than ok is still just ok. Both have flaws in their game that harden their ceilings. Both are fine in the short term but doubtful either gets you to the playoffs. Hoyer was more aggressive than Brissett and by nature of any aggressive QB that can lead to turnovers but also bigger plays.
Brissett’s stats as a starter are substantially better than Hoyers. Aggressive is a shortened way of saying Hoyer threw too many interceptions and wasn’t overly accurate.
 
Brissett’s stats as a starter are substantially better than Hoyers. Aggressive is a shortened way of saying Hoyer threw too many interceptions and wasn’t overly accurate.
I'd rather have a QB that can hit big plays with the occasional turnover than a QB who can't and has no turnovers.
 
Yes , Brisette is being paid $8m to start.

If the team had any confidence in Zappe, we wouldn’t have signed brissett
AVP wanted a guy he knew, and who knew the offense, and who could mentor Maye. Zappe didn't check any of those boxes. But if Jakoby gets hurt in the first part of 2024, our best guy to throw in there is Zappe, not either of the two rookies. And next year, Zappe would be a better value as the #2 QB than Brisette, making millions less. Milton is a nice project until he starts affecting who goes to the practice squad, who gets cut etc., in order to keep him.

i.e.:
- in early 2024, our best lineup is Brisette-Zappe-Maye
- later in 2024, it's Brisette-Maye-Zappe, or possibly Maye-Brisette-Zappe
- in 2025, it's Maye-Zappe
 
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I'd rather have a QB that can hit big plays with the occasional turnover than a QB who can't and has no turnovers.
That's a terrible take. And if you're telling me you'd rather have Hoyer than Brissett you need to have your head examined. Turnovers are team killers, after points turnovers are the most important stat in football.

Brissett as a starter:

926-1511 attempts, 61% completions, 9994 Yards, 208 YPG, 48 TD's, 22 INT's, 85.2 QB Rating, 6.61 YPA, 190 rushes, 853 YDs, 4.5 YPA, 12 rush TDs... his career interception percentage is 1.4

Hoyer as a starter:

793-1357 attempts, 58% completions, 9206 Yards, 224 YPG, 43 TD's, 32 INT's, 79.8 QB Rating, 6.78 YPA, 58 rushes, 85 YDs, 1.5 YPA, 1 rush TDs... his career interception percentage is 2.4

So not only is Hoyer less accurate, but his ability to run for first downs or at all is almost nonexistent. Brissett is a better passer, better all around QB and a better placeholder for the rookie. He can win games if the team around him is good enough.
 
Milton is the same physical prototype of Maye, and even Brissett, as a big, strong-armed, mobile QB, so he would be able to run the same offense as the other two.

Long term Zappe would be the odd man out.


I can't believe the keep Zappe rubbish from some around here regarding Zappe there's nothing to see here move along.
 
That's a terrible take. And if you're telling me you'd rather have Hoyer than Brissett you need to have your head examined. Turnovers are team killers, after points turnovers are the most important stat in football.
I didn't say turnover prone I said the occasional turnover. Defending against QB's who hit big plays is what keeps defense coordinators up at night a lot more than a guy throwing short taking the safe play and relying on receiver YAC. Not hard to see that the latter keeps interceptions down but doubtful they can win games on their own.

Brissett as a starter:

926-1511 attempts, 61% completions, 9994 Yards, 208 YPG, 48 TD's, 22 INT's, 85.2 QB Rating, 6.61 YPA, 190 rushes, 853 YDs, 4.5 YPA, 12 rush TDs... his career interception percentage is 1.4

Hoyer as a starter:

793-1357 attempts, 58% completions, 9206 Yards, 224 YPG, 43 TD's, 32 INT's, 79.8 QB Rating, 6.78 YPA, 58 rushes, 85 YDs, 1.5 YPA, 1 rush TDs... his career interception percentage is 2.4

So not only is Hoyer less accurate, but his ability to run for first downs or at all is almost nonexistent. Brissett is a better passer, better all around QB and a better placeholder for the rookie. He can win games if the team around him is good enough.
6.61 yards per pass attempt is nothing special at all.
 
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