BB watch

[Steve102]

I do agree Bob is in a really bad position here and doesn't want to take the risk firing Bill. Regardless of how it happened, Bob's Franchise isn't valued for what it is currently and has 6 Lombardi's had he not hired Bill who drafted Tom Brady. Now that he's missing 3 out of the last 4 years of not making the playoffs, it would still be a bad look on Bob to simply fire him. In fact, John Harbaugh has lingered around the Ravens and had only one playoff appearance and one win in 5 seasons since they won the Super Bowl in 2012. It took him an additional 5 years to get another playoff win after the 2014 season and he has 2 playoff wins in 10 years. Ravens keep Harbaugh, but Bill gets fired?

I think if Bill was in his 50's, he'd be here next year.

 

[Real fan 02]

The issue, or quibble if you will, is that if you want to remove BB a the GM, replace him as the personnel director/GM, just shoe-horning a guy in there, you absolutely will create a contentious situation in the front office that existed circa the famous "grocery shopping" comment... You want to avoid that ... complimentary work making sure all people are on the same page is much better for the long term stability of the franchise... It boils down to this for me - If you want to replace BB as the GM, then you have to let BB go as the HC

If you want to find someone out side of the Belichick circle to consult on personnel matters (draft, free agency, etc) who can work with Belichick to fine tune the system, you keep him.

You can't have it both ways.

I firmly believe a decision has been made. One way or another be it on his own or by way of a soon to be "mutual parting of ways ".. Bill wasn't going to be here for the long haul. The last 2 seasons have accelerated the process.

Bill has been too great a HC and too instrumental to the organization to just fire him.. giardi reported Bill told his staff he's uncertain about his future with the organization. A mutually agreed parting is the only thing to me that's sensible.

Agree, can't remain in anything other than what he's been. Time to move the organization ahead.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Mark me down in the keep Bill as head coach as long as someone else is picking the offseason groceries category. Finding that GM is easier said than done, because you need to find someone with the experience and confidence to not be intimidated/swayed by BB’s opinions.

It is also going to be very difficult for Kraft to hand that power over to someone with no prior history in the patriots organization. Given their expected draft position in next year’s draft as well as their top 5 cap space, the grocery picker in the off-season is going to be spending hundreds of millions of Kraft’s dollars. I find it hard to believe that he will entrust that to somebody from another organization whom he barely knows. Don’t be surprised if the new GM with final say whom most are yearning for is Groh, Wolfe or one of the former members of the Patriots player personnel department, who went on to become general manager, but who are now free agents.

In terms of Bill not accepting diminished player personnel authority, I wonder if his sons’ situations, both professional and personal, may play a role. If, for the sake of argument, he is fired by Kraft because he refuses to relinquish final say on player personnel issues, he will either lose the ability to coach with his sons (if the next coach decides to keep them and they accept) or his sons will be forced to uproot their families (if he takes another HC job and they join him on his staff in another city). His daughter lives MA and coaches at HC, so he wouldn’t see her nearly as often.

Finally, I plan to ignore any reports from anonymous sources, regardless of the reporter, maybe with the exception of Reiss. Breer, Giardi, Bedard and Curran don’t have a clue what is really going on and, in my opinion, many of their reports are fabricated. I’ll wait to find out when the announcement is officially made.

 

[Pape]

Bill wasn't going to be here for the long haul. The last 2 seasons have accelerated the process.

*scratches head*

don't follow what you are saying...

Bill is still here because he has been here for the long haul

 

[Ring 6]

I live in reality.

You live in the past.

No you are being emotional and short sighted.

Living in reality is understanding there are ups and downs and the best to ever do the job didn’t just forget how to do it.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think if Bill was in his 50's, he'd be here next year.

I enjoy reading sensible, logic thinking posters like yourself. We're lucky fans. We witnessed great football and success for 19 seasons. We know it was going to end one way or another.

Going forward with most of the pieces on defense I'm embracing change. It's ironic when bill took over he had some great players on defense.. and with him presumably leaving he has some great players on defense... It's just time.. time to get with the modern NFL, getting this roster back into contention.

 

[Real fan 02]

*scratches head*

don't follow what you are saying...

Bill is still here because he has been here for the long haul

Pape.. he's 72.. to clarify.. as Bill said in his own words.. I don't want to be like Marv levy coaching well into my 70s.. Bill is here because he's under contract! The krafts dictate how things go from here as far as him remaining. I didn't forsee him coaching into his late 70s early 80s.

 

[Pape]

Pape.. he's 72.. to clarify.. as Bill said in his own words.. I don't want to be like Marv levy coaching well into my 70s.. Bill is here because he's under contract! The krafts dictate how things go from here as far as him remaining. I didn't forsee him coaching into his late 70s early 80s.

 

[Real fan 02]

As a coach without a doubt.. he's still got it. No doubt about it. Unfortunately other factors play into things..

 

[RobertWeathers]

No you are being emotional and short sighted.

Pot. Meet kettle.

I've determined his personnel and coaching moves the last four years warrant a change in leadership. Thats called being objective.

You are incredibly emotional over his potential dismissal and are desperately clinging to what was and hope what will be by keeping the status quo.

Living in reality is understanding there are ups and downs and the best to ever do the job didn’t just forget how to do it.

No he doesn't forget but he is clearly doing things not as well as he used to.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think if Bill was in his 50's, he'd be here next year.

Really?

7-9
10-7 losing 4 of last 5 and playoff game by a million points.
8-9
4-11

Bad offense. Bad special teams. 3 out of 4 years of bad drafting. Sketchy free agency.

 

[Real fan 02]

Really?

7-9
10-7
8-9
4-11

Bad offense. Bad special teams. 3 out of 4 years of bad drafting. Sketchy free agency.

I'd take the 7-9 season over this one.

 

[Ring 6]

Pot. Meet kettle.

I've determined his personnel and coaching moves the last four years warrant a change in leadership. Thats called being objective.

You are incredibly emotional over his potential dismissal and are desperately clinging to what was and hope what will be by keeping the status quo.


No he doesn't forget but he is clearly doing things not as well as he used to.

I have no emotion in it at all, I want what is best for the organization. This is why I don’t *****, whine, scapegoat, play victim, and call for punishment.

They were never going to stay on top forever. They picked the wrong Qb. Insert Ana erase qb to the current roster and they are in he playoffs.
At least 5 games the other 52 played well enough to win were losses because of horrible QB play. You don’t fire the greatest who ever lived because he missed on the qb and otherwise rebuilt a playoff caliber roster very quickly.

 

[Real fan 02]

You might be our best poster right now!

 

[Ring 6]

Really?

7-9
10-7 losing 4 of last 5 and playoff game by a million points.
8-9
4-11

Bad offense. Bad special teams. 3 out of 4 years of bad drafting. Sketchy free agency.

One piece missing from being a playoff team already, with 100 mill to spend next year

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have no emotion in it at all, I want what is best for the organization. This is why I don’t *****, whine, scapegoat, play victim, and call for punishment.

They were never going to stay on top forever. They picked the wrong Qb. Insert Ana erase qb to the current roster and they are in he playoffs.
At least 5 games the other 52 played well enough to win were losses because of horrible QB play. You don’t fire the greatest who ever lived because he missed on the qb and otherwise rebuilt a playoff caliber roster very quickly.

To have a playoff-caliber roster you need to make the playoffs or at least be able to sniff a winning record.

One piece missing from being a playoff team already, with 100 mill to spend next year

...and the reason they aren't are because of his choices and decisions.

 

[Steve102]

I enjoy reading sensible, logic thinking posters like yourself. We're lucky fans. We witnessed great football and success for 19 seasons. We know it was going to end one way or another.

Going forward with most of the pieces on defense I'm embracing change. It's ironic when bill took over he had some great players on defense.. and with him presumably leaving he has some great players on defense... It's just time.. time to get with the modern NFL, getting this roster back into contention.

It's never going to be the same again. It was a great confluence of talent. Tom showed up and made everything that Bill wanted to do possible because Tom could carry the load that Bill dumped on him. There's no one in the league with the hunger, drive, brains and ability like Tom, and no coach up to the challenge of coaching him. It was a perfect storm. Now the NFL is stacked so everyone is .500. 20 teams are still eligible for the playoffs. Never again will we see this kind of run.

 

[Real fan 02]

It's never going to be the same again. It was a great confluence of talent. Tom showed up and made everything that Bill wanted to do possible because Tom could carry the load that Bill dumped on him. There's no one in the league with the hunger, drive, brains and ability like Tom, and no coach up to the challenge of coaching him. It was a perfect storm. Now the NFL is stacked so everyone is .500. 20 teams are still eligible for the playoffs. Never again will we see this kind of run.

Absolutely well put.. the GOAT in his own words said to his own detriment he had such an insatiable desire to want to win.. all the greats have it.. it's in them as a Competitor. Firmly agree this run won't be seen again in any other sports period.

 

[Ring 6]

To have a playoff-caliber roster you need to make the playoffs or at least be able to sniff a winning record.


...and the reason they aren't are because of his choices and decisions.

If you have a playoff caliber roster EXCEPT THE QB you aren’t making the playoffs.
The QB position is holding back a solid roster.
Replace 10 and Zappe with an average QB and at least 5 losses would have been wins.
Stay the course (which is the course that built the greatest dynasty ever) add a qb and upgrade the roster with 100 mill cap space gets you to SB contender much faster than blowing it up and starting over with a nobody.

 

[The Gr8est]

Its sort of like what steeler fans tell me chuck noll’s last years in Pittsburgh was like. He was an amazing coach too but they hung onto him way too long. I really don’t want that here, it’s looking too much like whatever years Bill stays we will be in football purgatory. And after this season we don’t even have the ‘it can get worse’ argument like we did from 2020-2022. It really cant get worse than this year. Sure maybe we could be THE worst team in the league but 4th worst isnt much of an upgrade.

Not sure that is a fair comparison.

Noll was able to build a juggernaut and keep it together.

BB did it in the salary cap era.