Kraft on Game Day

[PATS16N0]

You can’t eliminate those years, and the franchise he built.
Anyone isn’t very good if you don’t count their successes.

Again, I’m not a Belichick-hater, but any elite/strong coach (and there are more than just Belichick) we’re going to do very effing good with Tom Brady leading his troops, just like any elite defensive coordinator was going to wreck any offense with Lawrence Taylor.

 

[Triumph]

The GM/HC's future isn't a serious question to the owner of a 3-10 team?

Youre going to reveal that you plan to fire a 6 time Super Bowl champion Head Coach on a hack show like these clowns run because theyre looking for attention.

That is more dooshnozzle bush league then Jerry Jones going out to the golf course to fire Tom Landry.

 

[Joey007]

You don't think it's conceivable that Mac could put up Purdy type numbers with those players?

I'm not saying he definitely would. But it's a legit question.

We've never seen Mac with great receivers, TE, OL etc.

He’s not putting up a 115+ QB rating, and these stats. Jimmy didn’t, so I don’t see why Mac would.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, I’m not a Belichick-hater, but any elite/strong coach (and there are more than just Belichick) we’re going to do very effing good with Tom Brady leading his troops, just like any elite defensive coordinator was going to wreck any offense with Lawrence Taylor.

But they didn’t and you can’t project that. It’s fantasy.

 

[Ring 6]

You don't think it's conceivable that Mac could put up Purdy type numbers with those players?

I'm not saying he definitely would. But it's a legit question.

We've never seen Mac with great receivers, TE, OL etc.

Not at all, no chance. 10 cannot execute a professional passing offense. It doesn’t matter how good the receivers are if you can understand the call, read the coverage and deliver on time.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Funny thing is that Corky got found out after the Buffalo wind game.

Lost to Indy 2 INTs
Lost to Buffalo 2 INTs
Won vs the Jags 3 TDs
Lost to Miami 1 INT
Lost to Buffalo 2 INT

7 INTs in 5 games. Of course his followers blame the OL and WRs.

I don't read every thread so maybe I missed it but are there any Mac followers left?

 

[Triumph]

I don't read every thread so maybe I missed it but are there any Mac followers left?

Yes

BB ruint him.

 

[n6249c]

Preach…very well said

Sorry for the double post lol

Delete function has always worked for me is such situations…

 

[Wozzy]

The last sentence makes it sound like you’re saying Belichick conjured and created Brady, which is insulting to Tom.

Anyway, Bruce Arians was 2/2 Championship Games with Tom and 1/2 Super Bowl rings. He was one blown defensive coverage from going 2/2 Super Bowls. This with a Tom deep in his 40’s. I don’t give Belichick zero credit, but if you’re not giving the quarterback the lion’s share you’re doing it wrong.

Belichick cost us a couple of rings maybe Bruce Arians wouldn’t have. His SB percentage with Tom is actually better than Belichick’s. I don’t say this to make any other point than that claiming Belichick deserves as much credit as Brady when even numerous ex-players will tell you otherwise is ridiculous.

Brady is the one leading the team. Brady is the one making the throws. Brady is the one making the other team scared.

Brady in his 40's isn't Brady in his early 20's, he's much better. And your recollections that Brady entered the league a world wrecker is fan fiction, a playful reimagining of the truth based on nostalgia.

He could have gone to the Lions or Falcons instead, and we'd never known who he was at all. He'd be a salesman or real estate agent in California with a limp.

Belichick drafted and developed Brady, "who is more important" is dumb... for little minds.

Coaches coach and players play, we've seen great QB's on bad teams... it doesn't work.

 

[PATS16N0]

Brady in his 40's isn't Brady in his early 20's, he's much better. And your recollections that Brady entered the league a world wrecker is fan fiction, a playful reimagining of the truth based on nostalgia.

He could have gone to the Lions or Falcons instead, and we'd never known who he was at all. He'd be a salesman or real estate agent in California with a limp.

Belichick drafted and developed Brady, "who is more important" is dumb... for little minds.

Coaches coach and players play, we've seen great QB's on bad teams... it doesn't work.

@Ice_Ice_Brady these people are ****ing everywhere on this forum lolololol

 

[PATS16N0]

Literally just refuted this when Rob referred to him as a game manager last week. Nobody has the time to correct all the ****ing idiocy here on the daily. Go check out that.

 

[Wozzy]

This is such an over played narrative (started by Bill) and dead wrong. You know who went all in to win a SB? Tampa and the Rams. They're still paying for it. The fact that Bill refused to play by the modern NFL cap rules taking advantage of void years means they didn't "go all in."

Started by Bill?

Listen pal, they post salary cap on two different sites (Spotrac, OTC) so I don't know WTF you're talking about. It's not an opinion, it's a matter of fact.

And yeah, BB didn't trade all his draft picks away like the idiot Rams did, and all he did was play in 4 Super Bowls and win 3 of them to the Ram's one by overspending... but he's an idiot and McVay is a genius. Makes sense.

There were a lot of things that could've been done with the cap to dispell your narrative but it is what it is.

Borrowed more and put themselves in a deeper cap hole, or tanked and paid it off... those were the options. Tom was out the door already, he said that on Howard Stern. Moving on was best for both sides... your feelings getting hurt not withstanding.

Now it is since the question has been answered. Moving on.

It always was, Tampa without Arians was a sub-500 team.

And Bill benefited from it enormously both on and off the field. Thus, who gets more of the credit thing.

Management is about hiring talented people who make you look good. They both benefitted from each other.

 

[Wozzy]

@Ice_Ice_Brady these people are ****ing everywhere on this forum lolololol

Posting a meme and calling for backup... laughable.

 

[venecol]

Started by Bill?

Listen pal, they post salary cap on two different sites (Spotrac, OTC) so I don't know WTF you're talking about. It's not an opinion, it's a matter of fact.
And yeah, BB didn't trade all his draft picks away like the idiot Rams did, and all he did was play in 4 Super Bowls and win 3 of them to the Ram's one...but he's an idiot and McVay is a genius.

Clearly you don't even understand what you're talking about. Lol
Trading draft picks has nothing to do w/ manipulating the cap. There's a guy that started a thread on how far behind Pats are in cap management. Go read it.

Borrowed more and put themselves in a deeper cap hole, or tanked and paid it off... those were the options. Tom was out the door already, he said that on Howard Stern. Moving on was best for both sides... your feelings not withstanding.

They were never in a "hole." That's a fantasy.

It always was, Tampa without Arians was a sub-500 team.

Not talking about TB at all. Lol

Management is about hiring talented people who make you look good. They both benefitted from each other.

Management benefitted from the player providing both leadership and balling. Player got paid, that was his benefit.

 

[Wozzy]

Clearly you don't even understand what you're talking about. Lol
Trading draft picks has nothing to do w/ manipulating the cap. There's a guy that started a thread on how far behind Pats are in cap management. Go read it.

Some guy said something, that's exactly what Rob16NO says above, somebody else said something so I have to defend it. Silly...

Entering 2020 a quarter of the Pats salary cap was gone, spent on dead cap and Stefon Gilmore's contract which had one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL from them using it as a slush fund two times prior.

They had roughly 11-12 starters and major contributors that needed to be re-signed or replaced... oh yeah, including QB... the most expensive position in football.

I understand you think this is Madden Football with the trade restrictions turned off, but it's not.

They were never in a "hole." That's a fantasy.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Not talking about TB at all. Lol

It's an example that proves you wrong, even if it's an uncomfortable truth for you.

Management benefitted from the player providing both leadership and balling. Player got paid, that was his benefit.

BB drafted Brady, and Tom stuck around for two decades and actually took less money starting in 2014 because he knew BB was his best chance to win rings. It worked to the tune of 3 more rings.

 

[venecol]

Brady in his 40's isn't Brady in his early 20's, he's much better. And your recollections that Brady entered the league a world wrecker is fan fiction, a playful reimagining of the truth based on nostalgia.

History of the game is all the proof you need, 3 SB wins in first 4 yrs of playing. Not fan fiction.

He could have gone to the Lions or Falcons instead, and we'd never known who he was at all. He'd be a salesman or real estate agent in California with a limp.

Didn't happen. This is 100% fan fiction. Lol

Belichick drafted and developed Brady, "who is more important" is dumb... for little minds.

Read up on Brady's history in Michigan instead of repeating the MS media narrative. Brady came in the way he always was going to be. All rookies get NFL development, not all are the same. You can't develop talent dude. Go buy yourself a clue.

Coaches coach and players play, we've seen great QB's on bad teams... it doesn't work.

You're comparing QBs w/ the GOAT? Lol

 

[venecol]

Some guy said something, that's exactly what Rob16NO says above, somebody else said something so I have to defend it. Silly...

Don't even now what you're talking about. Past your bedtime old man?

Entering 2020 a quarter of the Pats salary cap was gone, spent on dead cap and Stefon Gilmore's contract which had one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL from them using it as a slush fund two times prior.

They had roughly 11-12 starters and major contributors that needed to be re-signed or replaced... oh yeah, including QB... the most expensive position in football.

I understand you think this is Madden Football with the trade restrictions turned off, but it's not.

I don't play Madden like you. Go read the thread by the CPA on the cap and how Pats willingly approach it w/ 1 hand tied behind their back. Stop listening to msm, playing games and educate yourself.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

You don't deal in facts. Pure propaganda, fake msm narratives and fan fiction.

It's an example that proves you wrong, even if it's an uncomfortable truth for you.

It's you moving the goal posts because you're losing the argument.

BB drafted Brady, and Tom stuck around for two decades and actually took less money starting in 2014 because he knew BB was his best chance to win rings. It worked to the tune of 3 more rings.

Brady was a loyal player until he finally realized what a complete ass hole Bill was.

 

[Wozzy]

History of the game is all the proof you need, 3 SB wins in first 4 yrs of playing. Not fan fiction.

And three at the end, but Bill was the reason he didn't win more... sounds legit.

He threw one TD in the entire 2001 postseason, and one interception... yeah, he was a real world beater.

Didn't happen. This is 100% fan fiction. Lol

We've seen bigger stronger better prospects get beaten down by terrible teams, but Tom and his unique athleticism at 21 years old was different.... lol.

Read up on Brady's history in Michigan instead of repeating the MS media narrative. Brady came in the way he always was going to be. All rookies get NFL development, not all are the same. You can't develop talent dude. Go buy yourself a clue.

You're comparing QBs w/ the GOAT? Lol

I've seen the GOAT with Todd Bowles at headcoach, not so impressive. Every great head coach in history has a bad record with bad players... insightful.

Andy Reid with Kevin Kolb, Kyle Shanahan with Brian Hoyer, Sean McVay with Brett Rypien... it's hard to win with a bad QB.

There are great QB's in the league now with Tom retired, there were other great QB's when he played. Football isn't going to stop now that Tom retired. The Patriots need to find a new QB.... it doesn't take magic. It takes draft picks and time to develop them.

 

[Wozzy]

Don't even now what you're talking about. Past your bedtime old man?

You telling me to go read what someone else said about the salary cap was you telling all of us you don't know **** about salary cap.

I don't play Madden like you. Go read the thread by the CPA on the cap and how Pats willingly approach it w/ 1 hand tied behind their back. Stop listening to msm, playing games and educate yourself.

The Pats have not changed their salary cap philosophy at all since BB took over the team in 2000, it resulted in the most playoff wins in history and they're tied for the most championships.

Again... the Rams gave away every first round draft pick for seven years, took on a ton of cap debt and won a single ring... that proves the Patriot Way is a bad method.... genius.

You don't deal in facts. Pure propaganda, fake msm narratives and fan fiction.

Salary cap is posted on two sites and has been for years. I don't don't run those sites and their facts don't care about your feelings.

It's you moving the goal posts because you're losing the argument.

You lost posts above... you're just to slow to realize it.

Brady was a loyal player until he finally realized what a complete ass hole Bill was.

Brady's wife was hassling him and he knew the Patriots were broke. He understands the cap even if you don't.

“I think what makes it such a challenge, is it’s hard to win one Super Bowl,” Brady said. “There’s salary caps. You just can’t go buy a football team." - Tom Brady

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Some guy said something, that's exactly what Rob16NO says above, somebody else said something so I have to defend it. Silly...

Entering 2020 a quarter of the Pats salary cap was gone, spent on dead cap and Stefon Gilmore's contract which had one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL from them using it as a slush fund two times prior.

Lie. We’ve already been through this. I’ve already posted the numbers on this at least three times. Regardless who cares that they had to pony up the lion’s share of Gilmore’s contract that season. That’s the cost of an all pro/dpoy at some point. Teams are paying balloon salary hits all around the league. That dead cap you cite is again highly exaggerated as we already covered, and they could have alleviated many of these hits by extending/ restructuring Brady and Gilmore. They felt both players weren’t worthy of Bill’s value system, which has proven to be foolish.

They had roughly 11-12 starters and major contributors that needed to be re-signed or replaced...

Only one who was the difference between 7-9 and 12-4.

oh yeah, including QB...

Oh maybe you’re understanding the last point but I doubt you’d ever admit it.

the most expensive position in football.

Which they could have afforded.

I understand you think this is Madden Football with the trade restrictions turned off, but it's not.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

But you’re a liar. Your facts are alternate reality.

They had all that space in 21 to defer 20 cap hits into if they’d opted to. They actually did this in 21 and front loaded for that season deferring to 22 and 23, which is why we are where we are, still paying for Bill’s all-in **** flex in 21 when he lost 47-17 in the wild card round.

They used the 25M on McCourty, Slater, and Thuney (as a rental.) rather than Brady. They would have saved 13.5M cap hit right off the too extending Brady. It was all about Bill flexing. Your arguments about limited cap space is beyond stupid.

BB drafted Brady, and Tom stuck around for two decades and actually took less money starting in 2014 because he knew BB was his best chance to win rings. It worked to the tune of 3 more rings.

Whether Bill knew it, whether Tom knew it, what Bill thought, what Tom thought, this is the reality: