Kraft on Game Day

[cmasspatsfan]

I'd venture to guess that you can count in one hand the posters that don't give Bill any credit for the success of the dynasty. That's just nonsense.

What isn't nonsense is that Brady clearly deserves way more credit than was previously given to him by the majority of this board. The evidence is crystal clear and indisputable.

Who wasn't giving Brady the lions share of the credit?

 

[PATS16N0]

lol

 

[PATS16N0]

Who wasn't giving Brady the lions share of the credit?

A ton of people on this forum, haters everywhere, the bulk of the media.

I mean, no offense, but were you in a coma or on the international space with no cable or something?

 

[NormZauchin]

2021 gave us hope that the team was back in contention post brady after we l know a transition year without brady. Since then it's progressively worse since the playoff blowout against the bills. You could be right it's hard to envision him here for another rebuild. It's telling that Kraft didn't give an answer when Pat made the comment. Alot of times.. it's more if what people don't say as opposed to what they do say.

Actually, if Kraft had given a strong endorsement of Belichick, then I would have assumed that BB was gone. That's the way it usually works in the NFL.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

A ton of people on this forum, haters everywhere, the bulk of the media.

I mean, no offense, but were you in a coma or on the international space with no cable or something?

I was reading a lot of how BB was nothing without Brady, I didn't imagine that, I was always saying it was the two of them combined and getting backlash.

 

[PATS16N0]

I was reading a lot of how BB was nothing without Brady, I didn't imagine that, I was always saying it was the two of them combined and getting backlash.

It was a repeating loop of ‘national media stories’ that media-figure X thought Belichick was primarily responsible but changed their mind after Tampa. A LOT of posters here felt the same way, and rooted for him to fail with the Bucs to validate it.

It was a significant -albeit wrong- narrative.

Why they felt that way, while literally watching Brady throw dimes in clutch moments again and again and again, nobody with a brain knows, but they did.

 

[Wozzy]

It was a repeating loop of ‘national media stories’ that media-figure X thought Belichick was primarily responsible but changed their mind after Tampa. A LOT of posters here felt the same way, and rooted for him to fail with the Bucs to validate it.

It was a significant -albeit wrong- narrative.

Why they felt that way, while literally watching Brady throw dimes in clutch moments again and again and again, nobody with a brain knows, but they did.

Brady left as a free agent... it's the "free" in free agent that must have you confused.

His (ex)wife wanted to live in Florida, that's common knowledge now. The Patriot's team were also in a deep cap hole having gone all in to play in four Super Bowls and win three of them. They weren't winning anymore rings with Tom, not unless he was willing to tank in 2020, clear cap and start again in 2021... and that's not fair to ask of a 43 year old QB.

This whole "who was more important" bullsht is dumb.

BB drafted and developed Brady... he didn't just appear out of the mist.

 

[NFL Mystique]

JFC

You don't think it's conceivable that Mac could put up Purdy type numbers with those players?

I'm not saying he definitely would. But it's a legit question.

We've never seen Mac with great receivers, TE, OL etc.

 

[n1997y]

What a dumbass thing for Mcfee to say we all know. Bill isn’t going anywhere, Krafts talk of loyalty makes it very clear what his intentions are.

It was genius. And foolish. Great clickbait. How many times do you get to spit in the face of the powerful on live TV? Other side of the coin, how long does the chairman of the committee controlling your employer‘s contract remember you spitting in his face on live TV?

 

[venecol]

Who wasn't giving Brady the lions share of the credit?

Way more posters than there are giving Bill zero credit.

 

[venecol]

I was reading a lot of how BB was nothing without Brady, I didn't imagine that, I was always saying it was the two of them combined and getting backlash.

I think the majority of the board felt they both contributed. Then you had the question of which one did more, with 2 camps forming. There was only a very small minority that didn't give either one any credit. Those are outliers. I think the camp that said it was mainly Brady won that argument because it wasn't 50/50.

 

[PATS16N0]

Brady left as a free agent... it's the "free" in free agent that must have you confused.

His (ex)wife wanted to live in Florida, that's common knowledge now. The Patriot's team were also in a deep cap hole having gone all in to play in four Super Bowls and win three of them. They weren't winning anymore rings with Tom, not unless he was willing to tank in 2020, clear cap and start again in 2021... and that's not fair to ask of a 43 year old QB.

This whole "who was more important" bullsht is dumb.

BB drafted and developed Brady... he didn't just appear out of the mist.

The last sentence makes it sound like you’re saying Belichick conjured and created Brady, which is insulting to Tom.

Anyway, Bruce Arians was 2/2 Championship Games with Tom and 1/2 Super Bowl rings. He was one blown defensive coverage from going 2/2 Super Bowls. This with a Tom deep in his 40’s. I don’t give Belichick zero credit, but if you’re not giving the quarterback the lion’s share you’re doing it wrong.

Belichick cost us a couple of rings maybe Bruce Arians wouldn’t have. His SB percentage with Tom is actually better than Belichick’s. I don’t say this to make any other point than that claiming Belichick deserves as much credit as Brady when even numerous ex-players will tell you otherwise is ridiculous.

Brady is the one leading the team. Brady is the one making the throws. Brady is the one making the other team scared.

 

[PATS16N0]

Brady could have made multiple coaches “the greatest coach of all time,” just like he made Bill O’Brien a “really good offensive coordinator,” and Josh the HC of Denver and LV.

 

[PATS16N0]

You don't think it's conceivable that Mac could put up Purdy type numbers with those players?

I'm not saying he definitely would. But it's a legit question.

We've never seen Mac with great receivers, TE, OL etc.

Mac sucks. Wake up. He’s ****ing terrible. I can’t believe these posts are still a thing.

 

[venecol]

Brady left as a free agent... it's the "free" in free agent that must have you confused.

His (ex)wife wanted to live in Florida, that's common knowledge now.

Maybe, but only because that's where the JiuJitsu trainer lived.

The Patriot's team were also in a deep cap hole having gone all in to play in four Super Bowls and win three of them.

This is such an over played narrative (started by Bill) and dead wrong. You know who went all in to win a SB? Tampa and the Rams. They're still paying for it. The fact that Bill refused to play by the modern NFL cap rules taking advantage of void years means they didn't "go all in."

They weren't winning anymore rings with Tom, not unless he was willing to tank in 2020, clear cap and start again in 2021... and that's not fair to ask of a 43 year old QB.

There were a lot of things that could've been done with the cap to dispell your narrative but it is what it is.

This whole "who was more important" bullsht is dumb.

Now it is since the question has been answered. Moving on.

BB drafted and developed Brady... he didn't just appear out of the mist.

And Bill benefited from it enormously both on and off the field. Thus, who gets more of the credit thing.

 

[Brewskies]

Is it true that since Brady left, Kraft has been right with the purse strings? It sure looks that way.

 

[Free_Pacman]

Way more posters than there are giving Bill zero credit.

Really? Care to name them? What poster on here wasn’t giving Brady credit?

 

[venecol]

Really? Care to name them? What poster on here wasn’t giving Brady credit?

Read much?

Who wasn't giving Brady the lions share of the credit?

Way more posters than there are giving Bill zero credit.

 

[Free_Pacman]

Read much?

Again, what posters specifically weren’t giving Brady the lion’s share of credit?

 

[RIpats88]

Maybe, but only because that's where the JiuJitsu trainer lived.


This is such an over played narrative (started by Bill) and dead wrong. You know who went all in to win a SB? Tampa and the Rams. They're still paying for it. The fact that Bill refused to play by the modern NFL cap rules taking advantage of void years means they didn't "go all in."


There were a lot of things that could've been done with the cap to dispell your narrative but it is what it is.


Now it is since the question has been answered. Moving on.


And Bill benefited from it enormously both on and off the field. Thus, who gets more of the credit thing.

the "went all in" is a narrative spun by Bill that the fans lapped up. the only reason our roster was so bad in 2020 and we had to overspend in 2021 is years of bad drafting/planning meant the roster was devoid of talent in 2019. Brady was left throwing to Ben watson and Sanu with newhouse as his tackle getting him killed because Bill couldn't identify replacements for his ageing/retiring players. Generally you don't have money for free agency because your drafted players come up that you need to re-sign we had none...

4 years later. the talent on offense isnt much better....

brady left as a free agent because Bill pushed him out the door with below market 1 year prove it deals. and gave him garbage at receiver. In tampa they gave him mike evans/godwin/antonio brown, and Gronk and gave him the deal until 45 he wanted.