Tom Curran speculates on if Mac Jones will get Downgraded to third string

[RIpats88]

Still blaming Patricia.

I dont see you blaming BOB.

It was clear as day Patricia was running not an NFL offense. Unless the media, players every story was inaccurate. It's pure delusion to think he was good.

Why hasn't he been signed as an OC anywhere else if he was so good?

BOB is running an NFL offense but his roster is worse than last year, his QB stinks and the schedule is tougher.

We've been fooled by having powder puff schedules the last 3 years. Anytime we faced a tough team however we failed

 

[Triumph]

So he knows QBs but seems to have almost no clue whatsoever on WRs?

The Chiefs had no clue that Mahomes would be this good.

 

[RIpats88]

The Chiefs had no clue that Mahomes would be this good.

Alot is chance. Look at cj Stroud. Who would've predicted

 

[Triumph]

It was clear as day Patricia was running not an NFL offense. Unless the media, players every story was inaccurate. It's pure delusion to think he was good.

Why hasn't he been signed as an OC anywhere else if he was so good?

BOB is running an NFL offense but his roster is worse than last year, his QB stinks and the schedule is tougher.

We've been fooled by having powder puff schedules the last 3 years. Anytime we faced a tough team however we failed

Patricia did not instruct Corky Jones to go throw INTs.

People were fooled into believing that Corky was ready to compete with the big kids, so the Pats turned him loose and let Corky throw deep.

Why didnt McDaniels let Corky throw the ball in Buffalos 40 mph wind in 2021? None of you Mac fans will ever answer that question.

 

[Triumph]

Alot is chance. Look at cj Stroud. Who would've predicted

Stroud is just a rookie.

Year 2 is when it gets real.

 

[RIpats88]

Patricia did not instruct Corky Jones to go throw INTs.

People were fooled into believing that Corky was ready to compete with the big kids, so the Pats turned him loose and let Corky throw deep.

Why didnt McDaniels let Corky throw the ball in Buffalos 40 mph wind in 2021? None of you Mac fans will ever answer that question.

I'm not a Mac fan. I legit said BOB QB is garbage.

You Act very childish that if someone doesn't just blame 100% of every issue on Mac Jones or look at things from a wider picture they "ArE a MaC JOneS dEfenDer"

Mac Jones is done, he's bad. now how did we go from a promising rookie who made good reads to here is all I'm looking at.

That was a coaching master class by McDaniels but was also added by a soft schedule.

Still don't see that as an argument that somehow Patricia was a great OC and we just didn't see it and should be absolved of all blame. Things aren't black and white

We aren't in the situation we are in, in a bubble. If Grier or zappe tear it up I'll agree I was 100% wrong and this team really is great and Patricia was some offensive genius held back by Mac Jones. I don't think that's going to happen. It's going to be more of the same.

Mac may still have ended up where he is now even if Bill hired a real OC. But the question I ask is would you be comfortable with handling whomever we draft this year the same way?

If the answer is no then you actually agree with me.

Just because the offense sucks this year doesn't mean hiring Patricia/judge a DC and special teams coordinator to coach offense for the first time was the right decision and that they were actually good. Every season is it's own entity.

But I'm sure you'll respond with some lame corky lover insult.

 

[Pape]

You people are insufferable. make one mention that Patricia sucks and it's "OMG MAC DEFENDER"

if the shoe fits...

Im simply stating the fact that last year had a better win record has nothing to do with Patricia being better than BOB.

ie defending Mac , no worries, we insufferables get it

Anyone in the media would tell you Patricia knew nothing of what he was doing. BOB is running NFL offense but his QB and roster is garbage

really don't care what the media says. But please, allow them to make your talking points for you. Much easier that actually thinking, isn't it?

 

[RIpats88]

if the shoe fits...

ie defending Mac , no worries, we insufferables get it

really don't care what the media says. But please, allow them to make your talking points for you. Much easier that actually thinking, isn't it?

Why hasn't Patricia signed on as an OC anywhere?

So you are telling me people who watch the all-22, guys like Bourne and Meyers who said it was so dysfunctional are ALL wrong but somehow you can see how good he was.

And Patricia was some genius? That's pure delusion.

Pointing out Bills mistakes or the reality on the field doesn't make one a Mac Jones defender

Two things can be true at once. Mac Jones can suck and the roster can suck and hiring judge/Patricia was a massive mistake it's OK to have multiple opinions.

Acting like there has to be some purity test where if you don't give yourself 100% believing if we just replace Mac this is a great team and all BB decisions are amazing is just the dumbest thing I've come across on this board.

 

[sb1]

Now we’re saying Patricia wasn’t that bad?

lol. That is all.

 

[Pape]

Pointing out Bills mistakes or the reality on the field doesn't make one a Mac Jones defender

That's what this is all about, isn't it? Right, i already know that answer. So why bother with all the other ********?

Just say it straight out. Everyone else has.

In the end - Macs failures are no one elses but his own. Some guys are fighters, some guys arent. If it isnt perfect Mac will always fail and too many are willing to blame everything else surrounding him.

and I never said Patricia was a genius. but hes certainly looking better than what we got going on this year. Least we scored in the 20's on the regular.

 

[RIpats88]

That's what this is all about, isn't it? Right, i already know that answer. So why bother with all the other ********?

Just say it straight out. Everyone else has.

In the end - Macs failures are no one elses but his own. Some guys are fighters, some guys arent. If it isnt perfect Mac will always fail and too many will be willing to blame everything else.

My post has actually nothing to do with mac...actually was responding to your comment about how BOB isn't much better than Patricia. And your argument was it was all Mac all along that held him down.

You are the one who keeps bringing up Mac jones. Not me.

I'm simply pointing out BOB can be running a better offense than Patricia but it being worse because of personnel.

Having a better record last year doesn't mean Patricia/judge were good and BOB bad. You have to look mat things more nuanced.

 

[lancerman]

Eh, offense did better with the cheap trash last year than they are doing now...

So go ahead, make more excuses... Im sure some people want to hear it.. but i certainly dont.

The problem is the quarterback.

Mac was also the QB last year. So he wasn't a variable that changed on that offense that was better.

The reality is the biggest differences on this offense from last year are that we lost our best WR, we lost a solid RB, and the line is peforming substantially worse.. Statistically Mac has been about the same. He's on pace for more TD's and INT's together. But he's also passing at a higher rate and has about the same completion percentage. There's only really a marginal difference in passer rating and average right now.

Really Mac is a problem, but he's not the reason the team is worse this year than last year. The talent downgrade is the biggest culprit overall. You pack that in with a worse performing defense and special teams and it's really no surprise a middling team last year is a bottomfeeder this year.

It's more accurate to say that Mac is a mediocre QB that is surrounded by bad talent which somehow got worse and the OC change couldn't compensate for that (BOB is a bit overrated anyways). Switching QB wasn't going to save this season though. Like maybe we go to a 6 win team or something and win some of the closer ones. But this is a bad team any way you slice it and the primary problem right now is the lack of talent and execution in all three phases. Which isn't suprising. Many of us were ringing that bell in the off season. I don't know why anyone expected this team to do much better. People might have been hoping Mac would take a step up, but you almost never see a QB take the next step when they lose talent on the offense. Manning took the next step when they paired Wayne with Harrison, Brady did it with Moss and Welker, Allen did it with Diggs, Rodgers did it when Jordy Nelson finally developed into a premier back, Tua did it with Hill and Waddle getting added. You just almost never see a QB who is developing take a downgrade on offensive talent and then become better. Usually what happens is they get a big upgrade and it gives them a cushion to be more aggressive and it grows their confidence.

But the offense isn't worse this year because of Mac. He's really no different.

 

[Triumph]

I'm not a Mac fan. I legit said BOB QB is garbage.

You Act very childish that if someone doesn't just blame 100% of every issue on Mac Jones or look at things from a wider picture they "ArE a MaC JOneS dEfenDer"

Mac Jones is done, he's bad. now how did we go from a promising rookie who made good reads to here is all I'm looking at.

That was a coaching master class by McDaniels but was also added by a soft schedule.

Still don't see that as an argument that somehow Patricia was a great OC and we just didn't see it and should be absolved of all blame. Things aren't black and white

We aren't in the situation we are in, in a bubble. If Grier or zappe tear it up I'll agree I was 100% wrong and this team really is great and Patricia was some offensive genius held back by Mac Jones. I don't think that's going to happen. It's going to be more of the same.

Mac may still have ended up where he is now even if Bill hired a real OC. But the question I ask is would you be comfortable with handling whomever we draft this year the same way?

If the answer is no then you actually agree with me.

Just because the offense sucks this year doesn't mean hiring Patricia/judge a DC and special teams coordinator to coach offense for the first time was the right decision and that they were actually good. Every season is it's own entity.

But I'm sure you'll respond with some lame corky lover insult.

You are a passive/aggressive Jones fan.

You just go about your support in a different way. The team around Jones sucks according to you. The latest video has 4 Patriot players open and the OL blocking on 3rd down, but your boy Mac throws the ball straight up in the air like its a Rugby game. BOB went ballistic on Jones after that one.

Rob loves guys like you because he still has someone to run interference and a viable out that blames the Patriots for all this mess. You guys remember Jones 2021 season like it was the Alamo. Patricia ruined him.

 

[Tunescribe]

He kept Mac because Krafts told him too. BB wanted Mac gone before the season started. That is why we have the most cap space in the NFL. BB wanted to sign a veteran QB with the cap space and the Kraft's vetoed it.

Krafts made BOB and BB work with Mac and made BB fire Patricia. That is why BB tried so hard to find Patricia a new job. Patricia's offense in 2022 was better than BOB'S offense in 2023 but no-one dares say that. Shhhhh! Patricia sucks so don't say that BOB is worse. It is all about the QB.

BB knew Mac sucked. Kraft made him keep Mac.

All conjecture-based opinion, nothing more. There isn't one iota of proof suggesting RKK -- a reputably hands-off owner -- ever would meddle to such an extent. This would make Jerry Jones blush.

Here's some alternative conjecture that makes just as much sense, if not more: BB had other OC options in line for 2022 after McDaniels left, possibly including BOB. When Plan A fell through and Plan B unexpectedly dropped out, BB was left scrambling. With the league year already under way he settled for in-house Plan C, Patricia, and crossed his fingers. We all remember the ballyhooed offensive "simplification." That was for Patricia, not the players.

Also remember the praise BB lavished on Mac going into 2022. Undoubtedly, that was tarnished by Mac's poor behavior and spotty performances as the season unfolded. HOWEVER, BB recognized Mac was thrust into a difficult spot navigating Patricia's botched system and deserved benefit of a doubt going into 2023 -- based largely on his potential shown in '21 under an accomplished OC.

With BOB finally freely available, the switch was made and BB helped his pal Patricia land elsewhere. Shared roots in the Alabama system enabled BOB to fashion a Mac-friendly offense with the goal of gauging his viability in the crucial third year. The system was an improvement but the offense stalled when injuries affected an already thin offensive roster needing OL help and upgraded skill players.

Despite the adversity and perhaps because of it, the Patriots learned what they needed this season about picking up Mac's option: He's incapable of putting the team on his shoulders and being a difference-maker. With all the necessary pieces in place around him he can function adequately but that falls short of defining a franchise quarterback.

 

[RIpats88]

You are a passive/aggressive Jones fan.

You just go about your support in a different way. The team around Jones sucks according to you. The latest video has 4 Patriot players open and the OL blocking on 3rd down, but your boy Mac throws the ball straight up in the air like its a Rugby game. BOB went ballistic on Jones after that one.

Rob loves guys like you because he still has someone to run interference and a viable out that blames the Patriots for all this mess. You guys remember Jones 2021 season like it was the Alamo. Patricia ruined him.

Why would a Jones fan say the QB is garbage and ruined?

You are just a BB defender. If all the problems can be fixed by replacing 1 man well then Bill made all the right roster and coaching decisions! Remove any blame from him!

I'm just acknowledging the reality that while getting a better QB will help this team out. It has A LOT of other issues as well. Saying "Mac Jones sucks BUT...." Doesn't make someone a Mac Jones defender.

Are we 2-8 with competent QB play? Probably not. But we also aren't 8-2 given all the other issues.

I was adamant in the offseason this was at best a .500 team given that lack of talent, schedule etc.

Mac falling off a cliff makes them 2-8. but pointing out the roster failures doesn't make me a Mac defender.

Once again if Bill comes back next year would you be comfortable with him giving a rookie QB Patricia/judge and parker/Bourne as his top 2?

 

[sb1]

Mac is high floor low ceiling just as he was predicted to be. When his team stinks (and they do) so does he. When they don’t stink he is decent. Nothing more, nothing less. That’s what happens to QBs like that.

He is not the guy because he is not a leader and can’t elevate his team. Sucks but that’s life in QB purgatory for any team.

Just gotta get off the mat and try again in the draft.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

All conjecture-based opinion, nothing more. There isn't one iota of proof suggesting RKK -- a reputably hands-off owner -- ever would meddle to such an extent. This would make Jerry Jones blush.

Here's some alternative conjecture that makes just as much sense, if not more: BB had other OC options in line for 2022 after McDaniels left, possibly including BOB. When Plan A fell through and Plan B unexpectedly dropped out, BB was left scrambling. With the league year already under way he settled for in-house Plan C, Patricia, and crossed his fingers. We all remember the ballyhooed offensive "simplification." That was for Patricia, not the players.

Also remember the praise BB lavished on Mac going into 2022. Undoubtedly, that was tarnished by Mac's poor behavior and spotty performances as the season unfolded. HOWEVER, BB recognized Mac was thrust into a difficult spot navigating Patricia's botched system and deserved benefit of a doubt going into 2023 -- based largely on his potential shown in '21 under an accomplished OC.

With BOB finally freely available, the switch was made and BB helped his pal Patricia land elsewhere. Shared roots in the Alabama system enabled BOB to fashion a Mac-friendly offense with the goal of gauging his viability in the crucial third year. The system was an improvement but the offense stalled when injuries affected an already thin offensive roster needing OL help and upgraded skill players.

Despite the adversity and perhaps because of it, the Patriots learned what they needed this season about picking up Mac's option: He's incapable of putting the team on his shoulders and being a difference-maker. With all the necessary pieces in place around him he can function adequately but that falls short of defining a franchise quarterback.

Yup. This is a message board where people post opinions. "Conjecture-based opinions" are the same as "opinions" but you want to be flowery and dramatic with your response as always. Same old Tunes. Too funny. Haha.

 

[Pape]

Mac was also the QB last year. So he wasn't a variable that changed on that offense that was better.

The reality is the biggest differences on this offense from last year are that we lost our best WR, we lost a solid RB, and the line is peforming substantially worse.. Statistically Mac has been about the same. He's on pace for more TD's and INT's together. But he's also passing at a higher rate and has about the same completion percentage. There's only really a marginal difference in passer rating and average right now.

Really Mac is a problem, but he's not the reason the team is worse this year than last year. The talent downgrade is the biggest culprit overall. You pack that in with a worse performing defense and special teams and it's really no surprise a middling team last year is a bottomfeeder this year.

It's more accurate to say that Mac is a mediocre QB that is surrounded by bad talent which somehow got worse and the OC change couldn't compensate for that (BOB is a bit overrated anyways). Switching QB wasn't going to save this season though. Like maybe we go to a 6 win team or something and win some of the closer ones. But this is a bad team any way you slice it and the primary problem right now is the lack of talent and execution in all three phases. Which isn't suprising. Many of us were ringing that bell in the off season. I don't know why anyone expected this team to do much better. People might have been hoping Mac would take a step up, but you almost never see a QB take the next step when they lose talent on the offense. Manning took the next step when they paired Wayne with Harrison, Brady did it with Moss and Welker, Allen did it with Diggs, Rodgers did it when Jordy Nelson finally developed into a premier back, Tua did it with Hill and Waddle getting added. You just almost never see a QB who is developing take a downgrade on offensive talent and then become better. Usually what happens is they get a big upgrade and it gives them a cushion to be more aggressive and it grows their confidence.

But the offense isn't worse this year because of Mac. He's really no different.

This offense should be better than last year. But it isn't. This offense has and honest to god coordinator and we cant do ****.

I was beating the drum to keep Meyers in New England longer than most. I know what we are missing. I also know that the majority of his production was replaced by bourne.

What has failed this year is Mac Jones decision making process. He is mentally weak. He is not making the appropriate protection adjustments because he is incapable of parsing a defense pre-snap. He has also shown, or more accurately no shown any type of leadership. Ever since the league got enough tape on him - all the way back to 2021 - hes been on the decline.

Pressure Mac Jones and he folds like a cheap suit.

He sucks. He has not grown as a player by any metric. He has not gotten better. He has not improved. The same guy you saw in year 1 is the same guy you see now. No, strike that. He has, in fact, gotten worse. Thats on him. No one else.

 

[lancerman]

That's what this is all about, isn't it? Right, i already know that answer. So why bother with all the other ********?

Just say it straight out. Everyone else has.

In the end - Macs failures are no one elses but his own. Some guys are fighters, some guys arent. If it isnt perfect Mac will always fail and too many are willing to blame everything else surrounding him.

and I never said Patricia was a genius. but hes certainly looking better than what we got going on this year. Least we scored in the 20's on the regular.

Mac's never had perfect on this team so it's a useless conversation. Outside of pockets of extreme Patriots homerism that overrated the **** out of whoever we had on the team, the Patriots have almost leaguewide been viewed as having one of the worst WR corps in the NFL since before Mac even showed up and it's gotten worse not better. Also the offensive line being near the bottom of the league isn't close to perfect.

2021 wasn't even perfect. It was at best a pretty average squad (and not on offense) but it was good enough for coaching to elevate it. That team was able to make the playoffs but had a hard ceiling. In virtually every metric the team has been worse since then.

Everyone wants a quick fix because it's easier to accept than a long and hard rebuild. So the culprit has to be the QB. But this isn't a team that is setting any QB up for success. I don't know how anyone can look at this year and think the main problem is the QB. Look at how much Josh Allen is struggling right now.... The sad fact is, his team is still lightyears better than this one. You think he saves the day if he comes here when this would be a huge downgrade from what he had? You think Burrow who had his own issues earlier this year is going to turn things around? Fat chance. You think Tua isn't just going to revert to the guy Flores wanted to jettison and not be the scapegoat as well if he shows up here? Aaron Rodgers a HOF'er just fought tooth and nail to get off a Packers squad that was comprabe to this (overall probably a bit better).

It's a cop out to say the problem is the QB and he needs "perfect" when we can't even give him competent. If you take the reasonable approach and realize the whole team is flawed, then it's an orginizational failure. If you want to go to Mac Jones directly, then the Patriots did what every single team that ruins a new QB has done over the years if not on the bad end and it's still an organizational failure.

 

[Pape]

My post has actually nothing to do with mac...actually was responding to your comment about how BOB isn't much better than Patricia. And your argument was it was all Mac all along that held him down.

You are the one who keeps bringing up Mac jones. Not me.

I'm simply pointing out BOB can be running a better offense than Patricia but it being worse because of personnel.

Having a better record last year doesn't mean Patricia/judge were good and BOB bad. You have to look mat things more nuanced.

BoB hasn't done any better than Patricia. But he should be.