PostGame Thread Official Post-Game Thread: Patriots Lose to Commanders 20-17

[Real fan 02]

“Performance issues” lol. Great idea coach let’s let the team implode too.

How dare they bench ty law and revis..

 

[festy1986]

Holy cow, no one asked you to look into secret conversations.

I'm asking you to name alternatives, but it sounds like you believe across the league executives are secretly looking into trading CeeDee Lamb and Jamarr Chase. I can assure you, that isn't happening. And especially not to the Patriots. Not even Davante Adams is available.

You basically want to hold Belichick accountable for a stupid fantasy of yours, which is nuts to the highest degree.

I want to hold him accountable for the results.

He put this team together. He coached this team.

Doesn't really feel like alot to ask.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

Williams is just being a young, dumb kid with his comments. I'm sure his agent will clean him up and give the right presentation to teams by draft night. He draws comparisons to Patrick Mahomes for his off platform throws. That's something that most NFL teams can't pass up on.

I feel like Maye is the safer pick for the Patriots because he has the prototypical size and arm strength of a franchise QB. He has drawn comparisons to three-time pro bowler Carson Palmer. Also it's going to be less costly to trade up to #2 pick than the #1 pick.

I think that Caleb will be much harder to defend than Maye. Caleb stretches the field horizontally. Its not just his side arm throws, he has a strong arm and great vision.
His personality is certainly a concern.
He is only 1.5 inches shorter than Mahomes so I do not think that is a concern.
His skill set is more unique than Maye’s. He will be a huge draw and must see TV.

I am pretty sure Arizona is tanking for him, which will make Murray available for trade

 

[Real fan 02]

I want to hold him accountable for the results.

He put this team together. He coached this team.

Doesn't really feel like alot to ask.

25 Mill a season.. HC/GM. When it went great for 20 seasons he got the credit.. now it's not so he gets the criticism..

 

[Rob0729]

I am literally asking you, who were the right guys?

So far you've come up with a guy who never would've come here (Brown) and Christian Kirk (who is a good argument, but you can only pay #1 money to a single player; is Kirk that player?).

I gave you names and you dismissed them all. You believe a guy on his rookie contract like AJ Brown would have been able to veto a trade to the team he grew up a huge fan of because he only wanted to play with his best friend. You claim Christian Kirk is a down the field threat and Mac couldn't throw to him even though that was his bread and butter throw in college.

I gave you names of all the receivers they could have drafted over Harry including AJ Brown, Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, etc.

They could have traded for Hollywood Brown.

They could have signed DeAndre Hopkins.

Could have traded for Christian McCaffrey (who is not a receiver, but one of the best receiving RBs in the league).

Could have traded for Jerry Jeudy.

Could have traded for Calvin Ridley.

Could have traded for Amari Cooper.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Real fan 02]

I gave you names and you dismissed them all. You believe a guy on his rookie contract like AJ Brown would have been able to veto a trade to the team he grew up a huge fan of because he only wanted to play with his best friend. You claim Christian Kirk is a down the field threat and Mac couldn't throw to him even though that was his bread and butter throw in college.

I gave you names of all the receivers they could have drafted over Harry including AJ Brown, Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, etc.

They could have traded for Hollywood Brown.

They could have signed DeAndre Hopkins.

Could have traded for Christian McCaffrey (who is not a receiver, but one of the best receiving RBs in the league).

Could have traded for Jerry Jeudy.

Could have traded for Calvin Ridley.

Could have traded for Amari Cooper.

Question? I heard that AJ brown wanted to be traded here. Any truth to that? From the actions you would think BB intentionally didn't want a premium WR.

 

[archstanton543]

But both BB the GM and HC love him! So versatile!

 

[Uptown]

 

[Rob0729]

Williams is just being a young, dumb kid with his comments. I'm sure his agent will clean him up and give the right presentation to teams by draft night. He draws comparisons to Patrick Mahomes for his off platform throws. That's something that most NFL teams can't pass up on.

I feel like Maye is the safer pick for the Patriots because he has the prototypical size and arm strength of a franchise QB. He has drawn comparisons to three-time pro bowler Carson Palmer. Also it's going to be less costly to trade up to #2 pick than the #1 pick.

Odds are Williams won't drop, but there are starting to be a lot of questions about the guy and his mental make up. Could be nothing or could be a huge red flag.

 

[Rob0729]

Question? I heard that AJ brown wanted to be traded here. Any truth to that? From the actions you would think BB intentionally didn't want a premium WR.

I don't know if he wanted to be traded to the Pats, but he definitely wanted them to draft him.

 

[Triumph]

#5 and climbing each week.

Stay the course with Corky Mac.

I wrote him off last season early on.

 

[Real fan 02]

I don't know if he wanted to be traded to the Pats, but he definitely wanted them to draft them.

Ah.. that's what it was.. not a trade but drafted... GM bill saw no value in him.. soooo happy with all the value in Harry..

 

[Real fan 02]

Stay the course with Corky Mac.

I wrote him off last season early on.

He's making cents on the dollar.. is while krafty will hold on..

 

[upstater1]

I gave you names and you dismissed them all. You believe a guy on his rookie contract like AJ Brown would have been able to veto a trade to the team he grew up a huge fan of because he only wanted to play with his best friend. You claim Christian Kirk is a down the field threat and Mac couldn't throw to him even though that was his bread and butter throw in college.

I gave you names of all the receivers they could have drafted over Harry including AJ Brown, Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, etc.

They could have traded for Hollywood Brown.

They could have signed DeAndre Hopkins.

Could have traded for Christian McCaffrey (who is not a receiver, but one of the best receiving RBs in the league).

Could have traded for Jerry Jeudy.

Could have traded for Calvin Ridley.

Could have traded for Amari Cooper.

AJ Brown is overtly on the record as wanting to play with his best friend.

Christian Kirk gets paid #1WR Pro Bowl money. Any team paying a guy top money can't pay 2. This is Cincy's problem right now. Are you content with Kirk being the best WR we could possibly have? (Especially since more than half his contract is guaranteed?) If so, then yes, we should've gone after him. It would've been crazy, but whatever.

McCaffrey wasn't coming here; Hollywood is not a true #1, most people here don't want to trade for Jeudy (go read the thread). You're just naming guys now without any appreciation for how good they are and whether they're even deserving of $20m a year.

On this whole list the only 2 possibilities were Hopkins and Kirk, the former is going on 32 and his production has cut in half for 4 yrs now, the latter is paid #1 money and is perhaps not even a true #1.

 

[upstater1]

I want to hold him accountable for the results.

He put this team together. He coached this team.

Doesn't really feel like alot to ask.

When you're putting together a team, you make decisions.

Such as, do I take a stud CB like Gonzalez or a WR like Zay Flowers?

Do I take a guard like Cole Strange or a WR like Treylon Burks?

These are either/or situations.

I prefer taking the stud potential Pro Bowler over the run of the mill player even if that weakens me at some positions. In the thought that I will need a good player at those weak positions eventually if I am to ever win at all. This is why I've always said, the Patriots need a #1 WR. But I'm not going to cry that we took Gonzalez over Zay Flowers.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Rob0729]

AJ Brown is overtly on the record as wanting to play with his best friend.

Christian Kirk gets paid #1WR Pro Bowl money. Any team paying a guy top money can't pay 2. This is Cincy's problem right now. Are you content with Kirk being the best WR we could possibly have? (Especially since more than half his contract is guaranteed?) If so, then yes, we should've gone after him. It would've been crazy, but whatever.

McCaffrey wasn't coming here; Hollywood is not a true #1, most people here don't want to trade for Jeudy (go read the thread). You're just naming guys now without any appreciation for how good they are and whether they're even deserving of $20m a year.

On this whole list the only 2 possibilities were Hopkins and Kirk, the former is going on 32 and his production has cut in half for 4 yrs now, the latter is paid #1 money and is perhaps not even a true #1.

Kirk is getting paid $18 million a year. That is average #1 WR money. This year, he is the 15th highest paid WR. He is an 1,100 yard WR. He is getting paid his money. The Pats gave Agholor $11 million a year. If Agholor is worth that, they could have ponied up for Kirk.

AJ Brown is overtly on the record he wanted to play for the Patriots. He cried he didn't. He probably didn't think the Patriots ever would trade for him and that may be why he talked about playing with his best friend. But most players' dream is to play for the team they grew up rooting for. I doubt Brown is any different.

How about Amari Cooper? The Browns got him for next to nothing.

And let's face it. The cap, at least for the time being, is pretty much crap. If you want to sign someone, you do so by adding a bunch of voidable years. Belichick refuses to play that game except for McCourty. Most other teams do. There isn't a WR I mentioned that Pats couldn't have easily paid and fit under the cap.

 

[festy1986]

When you're putting together a team, you make decisions.

Such as, do I take a stud CB like Gonzalez or a WR like Zay Flowers?

Do I take a guard like Cole Strange or a WR like Treylon Burks?

These are either/or situations.

I prefer taking the stud potential Pro Bowler over the run of the mill player even if that weakens me at some positions. In the thought that I will need a good player at those weak positions eventually if I am to ever win at all. This is why I've always said, the Patriots need a #1 WR. But I'm not going to cry that we took Gonzalez over Zay Flowers.

Look. This isn't that hard.

The results are abysmal.

Bill deserves the heat and he's definitely on track to getting fired.

All the stuff you're saying sounds excuse making.

 

[Uptown]