PostGame Thread Official Post-Game Thread: Patriots Lose to Commanders 20-17

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

My recollection is Shula was fired and Lombardi was too. Great coaches rarely got to retire. Bill is going to have no problem with getting in the hall of fame.

Tom Landry says Hi - Maybe the biggest shock of all

 

[Jlaff]

If Belichick didn't think Mac was the guy at that point, it is even more damning for him than if he agreed that he put Mac in a bad situation. If Belichick knew he had a major deficiency at QB, it was on him to surround him with the best players so they minimize the negative impact of Mac. That means you get the best o-line to block and give him time and allow them to run the ball. That means you give Mac a third down back that he has an outlet to dump off the ball and let the third down back do the heavy lifting to get the yards. And stuff like that.

So basically the same thing you'd do with any QB. Try to field the best team possible. Thanks.

 

[lancerman]

Bill is fighting for his job that’s why.

This is why I advocated for getting rid of him before this. He's in survival mode and that's not to the benefit of the team's future. He just wants to do enough to get Kraft to get cold feet or moving on from the GOAT coach.

 

[Ross12]

If Belichick didn't think Mac was the guy at that point, it is even more damning for him than if he agreed that he put Mac in a bad situation. If Belichick knew he had a major deficiency at QB, it was on him to surround him with the best players so they minimize the negative impact of Mac. That means you get the best o-line to block and give him time and allow them to run the ball. That means you give Mac a third down back that he has an outlet to dump off the ball and let the third down back do the heavy lifting to get the yards. And stuff like that.

He may have also looked at this year as an evaluation year. If you follow this same line of thinking then he's basically being forced to keep evaluating a guy he doesn't really like, so why spend a bunch to help him out - spend conservatively and see what you learn. If he can play decently with a modest cast then you will have lots of cash in 2024 to boost him up, knowing confidently he's your guy. But you already think he's probably not the guy, so if you're proven correct, then even more reason to conserve for 2024 and onward when you need to go in another direction.

 

[vicspats]

I have questioned Troy as a coach for a while now. Obviously the fact that Thornton is brittle cannot be coached up (other than teaching him to protect himself from injuries as best as possible, but I don't think that is why Thornton has been constantly injured), but I still think most of his biggest issues (route running, running through routes, managing the sidelines) are all coachable things.

Douglas is not the best route runner either and runs a lot of of the wrong routes, but that can be hid because he is a player you get the ball to quickly and he can improvise after that.

When Troy said last year that he didn't think the fact the receiver were all bunched together on their routes wasn't an issue, I really started to question his coaching.

Just because you can … doesn’t mean you can teach it.

 

[Rob0729]

So basically the same thing you'd do with any QB. Try to field the best team possible. Thanks.

No problem.

It is the same thing you do when you know you have a deficiency in your game. If you bad secondary and you cannot get a top CB or safety, you beef up your d-line. Your LB corp is weak and there are no LBs available that can make an impact, you beef up your safety position and run more sub packages.

It is roster building 101. You do whatever you can to hide your deficiencies.

 

[PATS16N0]

This is why I advocated for getting rid of him before this. He's in survival mode and that's not to the benefit of the team's future. He just wants to do enough to get Kraft to get cold feet or moving on from the GOAT coach.

I think he lost his GOAT status. His record without Tom is too mediocre-bad for people to universally just give him that accolade now like he stands there alone. He’s now one of a few instead of one of one.

 

[vicspats]

I can’t find a good reason to turn on the game next week. The only thing to look forward to is development of a couple of young players. I hope Douglas and White can find a way to progress amidst this disaster of a season. What else is there to hope for?

Watching Bill melt down on the sidelines is something …

 

[bobbutts]

We desperately need a #1 WR and then some. Mac makes enough mistakes that I'm hoping we find a replacement, but nobody is going to be a contender with a group like this IMO. Douglas was great today but he can't be the first guy. I know our guys are injured but we weren't sufficient even before that.

 

[vicspats]

I think he lost his GOAT status. His record without Tom is too mediocre-bad for people to universally just give him that accolade now like he stands there alone. He’s now one of a few instead of one of one.

6 of 9 super bowls here , helping Giants win two as defensive coordinator…must count for something

 

[Grogan14]

Hey, paying taxes for 5 cottages on Nantucket can be tough on a fixed income

True 25 million per year does not go as far as it used to

 

[Rob0729]

He may have also looked at this year as an evaluation year. If you follow this same line of thinking then he's basically being forced to keep evaluating a guy he doesn't really like, so why spend a bunch to help him out - spend conservatively and see what you learn. If he can play decently with a modest cast then you will have lots of cash in 2024 to boost him up, knowing confidently he's your guy. But you already think he's probably not the guy, so if you're proven correct, then even more reason to conserve for 2024 and onward when you need to go in another direction.

Even if Mac is being forced on him, he cannot tank the season to prove he is right on Mac. If that is why this team is in the position to prove a point, Kraft should fire him next week if they lose in Germany going into the bye.

Congratulations Bill, you are right. Mac can't play. Here's your pink slip. You helped out Jerod because next year as head coach of the Patriots, he will have a new starting QB.

If this was Belichick's plan, he is an idiot. Kraft put his reputation on the line defending Mac. This season is a disaster. You really think Kraft will be willing to say "Bill, you were right. You made me look like a fool. You made a point at the expense of my multi-billion football team. Point taken. Now let's talk about giving you an extension"?

 

[Steve102]

I think so, too. Hence the rumors of Bill sniffing around about his trade value. Probably happened in January. But Kraft put an end to it and handcuffed Bill to Mac for another year because the media and fans all said Mac is actually good and Patricia just made him look bad and BOB would fix it. Obviously no way to know that that happened but that's a scenario I can see having occurred in my mind. Would also explain why Bill wouldn't have worked very hard to get a great second QB he could turn to if it didn't work out, because he was told "Mac is the guy, period" by ownership. It's almost spiteful, because having no good backup QB means that if Mac isn't good then the ship sinks and it's Kraft's fault - in Bill's mind.

So, in a way, Bill is tanking without actually tanking ?


I will play along, it’s as viable as the “Bill has lost it” school.

It really means that RKK didn’t learn his lesson meddling with parcels all those years ago.

 

[Grogan14]

No one shiuld feel sorry for Bill. He has accumulated generational wealth and fame, will be first ballot HOFer. But he has lost this team

 

[PATS16N0]

6 of 9 super bowls here , helping Giants win two as defensive coordinator…must count for something

Yeah, I’m not saying he’s going to be remembered as trash who was entirely carried by his quarterback, but very few people are going to say he stands on a mountain top that’s all his own.

 

[slash83]

I’m glad the organization is being embarrassed every week. They dug their own grave, from ownership to the HC. You wanna put a crap product on the field, you get these results which is exactly what you deserve.

Us fans can only hope they learn their lessons and start building an actual winning team together this offseason.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think they Hate their Head Coach.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

He may have also looked at this year as an evaluation year. If you follow this same line of thinking then he's basically being forced to keep evaluating a guy he doesn't really like, so why spend a bunch to help him out - spend conservatively and see what you learn. If he can play decently with a modest cast then you will have lots of cash in 2024 to boost him up, knowing confidently he's your guy. But you already think he's probably not the guy, so if you're proven correct, then even more reason to conserve for 2024 and onward when you need to go in another direction.

I think he put the best team he thought on the field, it's not like he has 50 million in unused cap space. You can argue the guys he put out there aren't very good but I think he did what he thought was best.

 

[Ross12]

So, in a way, Bill is tanking without actually tanking ?


I will play along, it’s as viable as the “Bill has lost it” school.

It really means that RKK didn’t learn his lesson meddling with parcels all those years ago.

Yeah I mean I'm just kind of making stuff up in my mind, hypothetical situations I could see having happened, but just based on what we've observed it makes some level of sense. Mac having a seemingly infinite leash - no viable backup QB - Kraft being a public defender of Mac.

If it's the case then theoretically you could see Mac dumped in 2024, Bill staying despite the awful record, they go in a different direction at QB and spend a decent amount of cash in free agency, Bill is not handcuffed at the QB position anymore and the results are different.

If it's not the case then obviously Bill is probably coaching elsewhere next year.

 

[sb1]

I think he lost his GOAT status. His record without Tom is too mediocre-bad for people to universally just give him that accolade now like he stands there alone. He’s now one of a few instead of one of one.

I never could go all the way with saying he’s GoAT other than being a Pats fan It’s too hard to prove for a coach there’s too many arguments on either side that are compelling. With players it’s way easier to prove I think a coach with a coaching tree as very unsuccessful as his is a huge strike against him as is the fact he had any type of success with only one QB who happened to be the GOAT.