If you were Kraft and this season doesn’t improve, do you move on from Bill after this season?

[StanleyGrogan]

I think its time to consider the possibility he's done. I'm a BB homer BTW.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Again that’s just not how it works.
I mean if it was you could give me an example of an nfl team that was not trying to win so the fans stopped showing up and then they decided they would win now to get them back.

You are very much overthinking this man.

Kraft is more likely to make drastic changes if the product on the field affects his wallet. Thats all they're saying. What's there to disagree with

 

[Jim Beankie]

I think its time to consider the possibility he's done. I'm a BB homer BTW.

“I don’t think at this point making a lot of dramatic changes; it’s too hard to do that. . ."

 

[Love The Drake]

No because he has an ownership stake in the Raiders. It would never be allowed.

It hasn’t gone in full effect yet.

 

[thecore762]

You are very much overthinking this man.

Kraft is more likely to make drastic changes if the product on the field affects his wallet. Thats all they're saying. What's there to disagree with

I was going to watch my Patriots play the Raiders this year but I think I’m going to skip the game because the product they been putting on the field makes me turn off the game by halftime because the team digs in large holes and can’t seem to even score more than single digits.

Might not be much of $ loss, but you put together few hundreds of pats fans doing that then they might notice it…

 

[thecore762]

I think this debate can finally be put to rest. Tom Brady can go elsewhere and lead a team to win the SB. He brought all the players together and won. His leadership and relationships speaks volumes. You have people literally all wanting to play with him. Can’t say the same with BB. I think most players if they can, they rather avoid NE due to BB the coach for being a hard ass.

His methods are outdated and they just don’t work. BB has not been doing his job as a GM or as a coach. Since he has been doing such a poor job he should realize it’s time to go if he truly believed in the “Do Your Job” motto.

 

[Santi]

Move the QB on first and get some pace in the team. Give bill next season and if it’s more of the same then bye.

Don’t buy this ‘it was all Brady’ bs. Brady went and won in a completely stacked team without bill, also flopped twice with the same stacked team. It was simply the best combination in football history having them both.

 

[Santi]

Oh and half our issues are because of trying to stay relevant and a refusal to all out tank. We should’ve been tanking 2 seasons ago, now we have no choice cos we’re actually just ****.

 

[Guts]

Move the QB on first and get some pace in the team. Give bill next season and if it’s more of the same then bye.

Don’t buy this ‘it was all Brady’ bs. Brady went and won in a completely stacked team without bill, also flopped twice with the same stacked team. It was simply the best combination in football history having them both.

Lol that stacked team went 7-9 a year prior and during the season many thought they go one and done when they won the Superbowl. Don't change the narrative and he took a Oline that was missing its starting center/guard and the right tackle injured, his #1 chain mover Godwin out, AB went full AB mode, Evans was injured and was down to just Gronk and little Scotty Miller and still took the Superbowl champs Rams to beat them by a blown Bowles call. The 2022 season was just a ****show and he still won the division haha

So yes I do agree with you saying that it wasn't all Brady a lot of good players and coaching helped too, but now more than ever its obvious TB12 was the SYSTEM here.

 

[PATS16N0]

As someone on this forum who has been right about literally everything going back to 2012, keep Belichick, address the situation with him as GM, and get rid of Mac Jones.

But I’m also fine with moving on from Belichick (preferably a trade) solely so we can do a full page turn on the Brady era. With Belichick here, every new roster is playing in those old teams shadow.

A new head coach might not be as effective as Belichick seemingly has been, but at least it’ll be a guy who didn’t send Brady packing to nearly win back-to-back Superbowls with the greatest loser-franchise in professional sports, which then set the whole Florida area on fire with various sporting championships.

At least he won’t be that guy.

 

[PATS16N0]

Yes he does. Coaches are different from players. If six Super Bowls doesn't earn you the right to leave gracefully, then I don't know what does.

He went Max Kellernan on Tom Brady, who hung those six banners and is far and away the greatest NFL quarterback of all time.

Live by the sword die by the sword.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Bill, ironically, has become Don Shula, as he chases Don Shula.

An insular coaching staff. Poor drafting. An overemphasis on one side of the ball.

 

[RodThePat]

I've said here before that I'd give Bill 2024 to restart with the amount of FAs and cap space they'll have, but that was under the assumption that they'd win 7-9 games this year and Mac Jones would keep looking like an okay starter. If they're in the hunt for a QB high in the draft, I don't see how you let Bill make that pick. Just don't see it. Hire an offensive minded HC and have him choose the next guy, don't want Jerod Mayo either. What does that change for the better?

 

[VectorPrime]

There is a very very real chance that the Pats lose the next 3 games and drop to 1-7. Raiders (on the road), Dolphins and Bills. Even if they beat the Raiders and go 2-6…that isn’t tenable.

 

[Rob0729]

Typical arrogant Team Bill response right here. You have no ****ing clue if Kraft would fire him during the season. You’re not an insider and are wrong about 99% of the time but still act like your opinion is gold.

The team has been outscored 72-3, have outright stopped trying, Bill is punting on 4th and 3 at Saints 40, the QB is publicly pouting, and the locker room is clearly in upheaval. It’s Week 5.

No worthwhile owner will allow a humiliating **** show like this to continue for a full season.

All the reasons you dummies think Bill is special - coaching advantage, lockstep players, player attitude - is turned upside down here.

I am going to be serious here. Obviously I have made you completely unhinged. Almost all of your posts yesterday were veiled or direct attacks on me. If some anonymous poster on a sports message board gets you so upset, maybe you should take a break from posting.

You can continue to attack me. I don’t care. The more you dial up the personal attacks on me, the more you self sabotage your credibility on this board. And it just gives me more power over you.

You can go ahead and continue with the personal attacks and disliking all my posts if you like, but understand that I think it is funny how much I get to you personally. But otherwise, you mean absolutely nothing to me. I don’t even read most of your posts that aren’t directed directly at me because I don’t value your opinion.

I am going to ignore you for now. You are ruining the experience of this board for others and I am no longer going to feed the bear. Most people come here to talk Patriots and not to watch petty beefs between other posters.

 

[Water Boy]

This is the lowest point I can ever remember as a Pats fan and I lived through the Rod Rust Era.

I didn't watch the game Sunday and I'm so glad I didn't. I can't watch this train wreck. I feel bad for season ticket holders.

Let's give Mayo an audition and see if he can get buy in from the players.

And by the way, can we ditch these awful uniforms? They represent such a loser period in Patriots history.

 

[archstanton543]

And by the way, can we ditch these awful uniforms? They represent such a loser period in Patriots history.

The red unis don't represent a great period in Patriots football history either. They do look cool, though.

 

[Rob0729]

Disagree on Dugger. You have a ton of money to spend, letting talent go makes you weaker.

Dugger is good, but overrated. The Pats need to rebuild the offense. That money is going to go fast when the Pats have to rebuild the o-line and sign a TE or three since none are under contract next year and hopefully get an impact receiver. and if they don’t draft a QB, they are probably going to have to pay money for a veteran to at least compete with Mac Jones and probably start.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'm intrigued who are the 31 No's?? I can think of 15 off my head.

 

[Rob0729]

I've said here before that I'd give Bill 2024 to restart with the amount of FAs and cap space they'll have, but that was under the assumption that they'd win 7-9 games this year and Mac Jones would keep looking like an okay starter. If they're in the hunt for a QB high in the draft, I don't see how you let Bill make that pick. Just don't see it. Hire an offensive minded HC and have him choose the next guy, don't want Jerod Mayo either. What does that change for the better?

Yeah, I don’t Mayo. I want an offensive minded head coach who wants to implement a dynamic offense with speed and talent.