Patriots Daily News Thread Patriots Friday 9/29/23

[jimnance]

2007 ...

A season that makes us all laugh and cry at the same time. And I ain't talkin' tears of joy

 

[Real fan 02]

A season that makes us all laugh and cry at the same time. And I ain't talkin' tears of joy

Tell me about it... the players have said years later that they still shed a tear over how that last game went... and we know what game that was.. Rodney has said he still gets emotional about it..

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Real fan 02]

One of my favorite games

38-13 right?

 

[SlowGettingUp]

I wonder if we see a defensive version of a player spying the QB - here Pharaoh Brown being tasked to spy Parsons and block him, or at the very least chip him. They move Parsons around a lot which increases the challenge though.

 

[Joey007]

A season that makes us all laugh and cry at the same time. And I ain't talkin' tears of joy

Nothing will ever repeat the level of stress experienced as a fan, the later that season went on.

42, the only time I was ever physically sick before a game.

 

[Real fan 02]

Nothing will ever repeat the level of stress experienced as a fan, the later that season went on.

42, the only time I was ever physically sick before a game.

I actually was sick after the game!

 

[Real fan 02]

I wonder if we see a defensive version of a player spying the QB - here Pharaoh Brown being tasked to spy Parsons and block him, or at the very least chip him. They move Parsons around a lot which increases the challenge though.

This definitely is a Pharoah brown game.. he should be involved in the offense more for blocking assignments and opening up holes for the running game.. I'm sure wherever 11 lines up there will be 2 guys on him.. if we can keep the momentum from last weeks run game performance then he'll be less of a factor..

 

[Hyped]

 

[patfanken]

I love the Pharoah story. Lots of opportunity for overwrought and lame humor - my personal specialty - and scope for the Photoshop poobahs amongst us. I love the idea of his playing fullback. Maybe he's a tad tall for the job, but it'd be a lot of fun to see a renaissance of Fullback Culture here in New England. Bring Back the Meathead.

As for one of our current WR's "stepping up," unfortunately they are all - with the exception of that precious glass object Tyquan - capable only of stepping up or out or over very slowly.

There is a plus as well as a minus playing Brown as a FB. The negative being is the length and his ability to get low enough to get leverage on his blocks. BUT on the plus side, that same length an easier target when he needs to get into a p;ass route..

BTW- What I would like to see at some point is a backfield with BOTH Elliot and Stevenson that uses one as a blocker and/or uses some Delaware wing-T run designs that can confuse LB's and up people with simple ballhandleing maneuvers which are hard to explain without a chalkboard. I'm sure there are some clips somewhere, it was a VERY popular offense back in the 60's and 70's. It also has some nice routes for one of the backs if you want to playaction pass

Here is a link to a modern version of the offense that some might enjoy

WarRoom Eagle’s Book Review: The Delaware Wing-T: What Separates It From The Rest

Tubby Raymond finally gets into what makes the Wing-T tick in chapter 3. Hint: It’s not the formation.

www.collegeandmagnolia.com

The Delaware Wing-T: Elements of the Offense

Gus is going back to being a football coach instead of a CEO, so we’re going back to the book he turned to when he first became a head coach in high school.

www.collegeandmagnolia.com

I played in the offense when in HS 2 years as a T and my senior year as LB/G. What I liked was that I could call the signals to determine the line blocking on my side of the LOS. So for example on an off tackle power play, I had the choice of (say against a 3-4) double teaming the DT with the TE while the OG fired on the LB and the FB Kicked out the DE while the off guard pulled and cleaned up everything in the hole.

I could call for all single blocks. I could call the TE and OT block the man inside while BOTH G's pulled the first one kicking out the the 2nd cleaning up. It all depended on the alignment and allowed a bit of participation for the OT which made it more fun, because there were different calls for different defenses.

If I even had a chance to sit down with Bill would be to find out if it were possible to introduce some of the Delaware T OL blocking concepts into the NFL game. Because as I recall 99% of the time I either had an angle on my responsibility OR I was double teaming with someone. The OG was either pulling or double teaming. The C had the hardest job, especially if he was against a 3-4 look having to block his man one on one most of the time.

 

[Thelonious]

There is a plus as well as a minus playing Brown as a FB. The negative being is the length and his ability to get low enough to get leverage on his blocks. BUT on the plus side, that same length an easier target when he needs to get into a p;ass route..

BTW- What I would like to see at some point is a backfield with BOTH Elliot and Stevenson that uses one as a blocker and/or uses some Delaware wing-T run designs that can confuse LB's and up people with simple ballhandleing maneuvers which are hard to explain without a chalkboard. I'm sure there are some clips somewhere, it was a VERY popular offense back in the 60's and 70's. It also has some nice routes for one of the backs if you want to playaction pass

Here is a link to a modern version of the offense that some might enjoy

WarRoom Eagle’s Book Review: The Delaware Wing-T: What Separates It From The Rest

Tubby Raymond finally gets into what makes the Wing-T tick in chapter 3. Hint: It’s not the formation.

www.collegeandmagnolia.com

The Delaware Wing-T: Elements of the Offense

Gus is going back to being a football coach instead of a CEO, so we’re going back to the book he turned to when he first became a head coach in high school.

www.collegeandmagnolia.com

I played in the offense when in HS 2 years as a T and my senior year as LB/G. What I liked was that I could call the signals to determine the line blocking on my side of the LOS. So for example on an off tackle power play, I had the choice of (say against a 3-4) double teaming the DT with the TE while the OG fired on the LB and the FB Kicked out the DE while the off guard pulled and cleaned up everything in the hole.

I could call for all single blocks. I could call the TE and OT block the man inside while BOTH G's pulled the first one kicking out the the 2nd cleaning up. It all depended on the alignment and allowed a bit of participation for the OT which made it more fun, because there were different calls for different defenses.

If I even had a chance to sit down with Bill would be to find out if it were possible to introduce some of the Delaware T OL blocking concepts into the NFL game. Because as I recall 99% of the time I either had an angle on my responsibility OR I was double teaming with someone. The OG was either pulling or double teaming. The C had the hardest job, especially if he was against a 3-4 look having to block his man one on one most of the time.

I'm convinced! Thanks.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

There is a plus as well as a minus playing Brown as a FB. The negative being is the length and his ability to get low enough to get leverage on his blocks.

Isn't length sometimes an advantage in blocking? Certainly seems so for tackles. Is there a distinction at play here between "blocking to clear a path" (as in what a FB needs to do) and "blocking to stop the QB being killed?"

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Isn't length sometimes an advantage in blocking? Certainly seems so for tackles. Is there a distinction at play here between "blocking to clear a path" (as in what a FB needs to do) and "blocking to stop the QB being killed?"

They are the opposite. "Blocking to clear a path" you have to engage to create the block, "blocking to stop the QB being killed" means you can wait for the defender to engage. So the techniques are different - one is an "offensive" block and one is a "defensive" block. Opposites.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

They are the opposite. "Blocking to clear a path" you have to engage to create the block, "blocking to stop the QB being killed" means you can wait for the defender to engage. So the techniques are different - one is an "offensive" block and one is a "defensive" block. Opposites.

And how does length then play into that?

 

[TheBeers]

Looking forward to:
hopefully having Jon Jones back.
Want to see how we play on a fast track.
OL health and continuity improvement

Against another great D we'll likely see similar quick throwing. But if we get a bit better on OL hopefully more success running the ball and that could open up play-action. I'm confident our D can limit them, we can't give up short fields off stupid turnovers though. Keep up the pressure and force them into mistakes! Want to see more snaps for the rookies, White, Pop and maybe Boutte active (though that seems unlikely without an injury).

 

[patfanken]

Isn't length sometimes an advantage in blocking? Certainly seems so for tackles. Is there a distinction at play here between "blocking to clear a path" (as in what a FB needs to do) and "blocking to stop the QB being killed?"

It as long as you bend the knees and get lower than your opponent. Then as you explode up into the defender your length becomes an asset. However if you come into the defender erect, then all the leverage and torque is wasted.

When I coached what you looked for when offensive lines fired out was FLAT BACKS.
That meant your OL was coming out hard and low. Those days who got lowest won. Only the D could use their hands

About the only time you see flat backs these days are in that Philly short yardage play or on the GL . Nowadays it looks more like a judo contest, and hand placement becomes critical to success

 

[Patsfan1958]