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Josh Allen and Mac Jones were completely different QB prospects coming into the league.
The point remains that Josh Allen + Stefon Diggs > Josh Allen + John Brown or whoever else he had before....

I'd like to see Mac Jones + an elite WR > Mac Jones + Bunch of solid #2 guys....

We saw that with Brady going from 2006 with Reche Caldwell to Moss/Wekler in 2007....that was no coincidence... but yeah...Brady was so good that he dragged that 2006 team all the way to the AFC title game...and only needed a 3rd a 4 conversion to pull that one out...
 
His coaching is up to par and he was considered a genius when he had LT and Brady....now he has no one of that caliber.
That all lies on Bill the GM's poor draft history since 2014. The only Pro Bowlers/All Pro's he's drafted since then were on special teams. That eventually catches up to you. Bill was at his best when he had Pioli and Floyd Reese.
Now, you want to discuss Bill the GM...fine...but if you look at our situation in a vacuum year by year....we are never in a position to get elite players via the draft or free agency (unless we mortgage the future)
"Never" is not true. Bill has been in position to trade up of take talented players for many years, but passed on them for a feel good player that he can "coach".
 
Josh Allen and Mac Jones were completely different QB prospects coming into the league.
As far as I know, nobody on Josh Allens Wyoming team was drafted into the NFL except Allen.
 
Sorry to start another thread, but I decided to start this to write something more comprehensive. And I didn't want to talk about X and Os or BOB's tactics.

There are some fundamental things happening that are leaving me bewildered.

For instance, we're not playing with enough urgency, preparedness or, heck, violence, up front. I saw Tyreek Hill take out Uche last night with a block and it was one of the most pathetic things. I was hopeful that Uche was coming around and wondered if he'd get his big contract. Well, he needs to turn things around ASAP. Then there's Rham. There's something wrong with him right now, and it's not the OL. He is not decisive. When he needs 1 yard, he dances in the backfield. Something's up. Strange wasn't ready to play either, and I get he's just back, but if you're not ready, Mafi would maybe do a better job. I was watching Onwenu--he held his own and was a man mauler out there; he looked really good. Strange not so much.

Maybe they can all come back and do a Judon (I thought Judon was bad against the run last week, but he had a great game yesterday in all facets).

It looks like several players are not coming prepared to play. And they get exploited because they are not ready.

I'm bolding this because it is the biggest problem I have seen so far: we are telegraphing our plays.

Defenses are teeing off on our OL because they get a running start and they know exactly when we're going to snap it. This was a home game for heaven's sake. Our OL has no chance to stop jailbreaks when the QB is calling for the ball predictably each and every time. I would blitz too in such a situation. No changes in cadence. No variation. This is a home game!!! And when we audible, we try a sweep on 4th and 1 when we need just ONE YARD!!!! He is not seeing the game, not taking command, not playing the head games a QB needs to play with a defense to put his offense and the OL in optimal positions. And it doesn't help him either.

He's jittery, he's skittish, he's throwing off his back foot. He's taking bad sacks. No wonder he's so inaccurate. His long throws are lollipops that bounce off the moon. There is zero confidence he can get anything done back there.

I gave Mac the benefit of the doubt until now, but you can't have a guy cowering back there and not controlling the game. He is the biggest problem. People will talk about the lack of offensive weapons, but the fact is, the QB controls the game, especially at home, and he doesn't maximize his talents or the meager talents of his WRs.

Bill O'Brien has to see this, but it's Mac's 3rd year and I'm not sure what can be done at this point.

I don't have the patience with him to see if he develops into a Geno Smith maybe 5 years down the line. I don't think he will ever even be a Geno Smith.

The O-line will get better, the continuity will improve, Mac will get more comfortable behind it, but when it's crunch time and the defense sends the house in crucial situations, when the heat turns up, especially against good teams, Mac will not answer the call. The good play we'll see from him in the coming weeks will be a mirage.

Oh, and one last thing: Make someone else play FS. We need Dugger up near the line of scrimmage causing havoc.
You could have started this post with “I have no idea what I’m looking at, but let me make up what the problems are”.
 
Fair question. But as Hurley said in his column above.... WE DON'T KNOW what Mac's celling is. Josh Allen was so-so until Stefon Diggs came along. Tua was so-so until Jaylen Waddle was drafted and the team traded for Tyreek Hill. I mean...give the kid an elite playmaker that can dictate to defenses. Look at our D last night...no Jon Jones...Marcus Jones gets dinged...so we adjust...to keep the focus on Hill/Waddle...it opened up things for guys like Berrios, Carcraft, Smythe, etc...and exposed Bentley and Tavai's lack of speed. Especially on that killer TD drive we allowed just before halftime.

The only thing Mac did bad last night was that interception to Parker. He seems to have a penchant for trying to hit home runs on early downs....and he needs to eliminate that from his game. Just move the chains and wait and wait for the D to give an opening..... or wait for an elite receiver that can get open in less than 2 seconds! Or get an OL that can block for longer than 2 seconds! There were even graphics on TV last night showing Mac tossing the ball away in under 2 seconds on multiple occasions. We are still doing the "quick ****"......

Again, I don't KNOW man.... and I hope we find out before this off-season's 5th year option decision is due....and for us to find out...we need some stability on the offensive line and for the running game to get back to "normal"....then if things go good...pick up the 5th year and get the man an elite WR, goddammit!

BB the GM won’t bother opening the checkbook for an elite WR.
The last one we got was Moss but that was when Pioli was in NE. He was the reason we got Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

BB the GM has been absolute garbage drafting wide receivers.

Kraft needs to realize that BB stinks at drafting WR and needs a GM that can do that job.

Also, I’m sick and tired of Bb benching people for mistakes. He arguably cost us the SB vs the eagles by benching Butler.

I appreciate all the contributions BB has made over the decades, but it’s time to push him out of the GM role.
 
"Never" is not true. Bill has been in position to trade up of take talented players for many years, but passed on them for a feel good player that he can "coach".
Trading back and down and out of rounds catches up with you.
 
The simple fact of the matter is, Mac Jones hasn’t done jack **** to warrant some fans undying loyalty to him like they’re on his pay roll or something. This is a team that hangs six banners above its field.

It’s okay to say Mac Jones sucks. There’s a really, really, REALLY long list of NFL starting quarterbacks that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would say they would prefer over him, so why he warrants such an aggressive defense from some people is legit beyond me.
 
The simple fact of the matter is, Mac Jones hasn’t done jack **** to warrant some fans undying loyalty to him like they’re on his pay roll or something. This is a team that hangs six banners above its field.

It’s okay to say Mac Jones sucks. There’s a really, really, REALLY long list of NFL starting quarterbacks that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would say they would prefer over him, so why he warrants such an aggressive defense from some people is legit beyond me.
I'll let Hurley break it down for you:

Let's play the comparison game. Let's say your job is ... digging holes. That's your life's work. You've got a shovel, and you dig holes. You were awesome at hole-digging in college, so you got a big shoveling job after graduating. One year, your boss takes your shovel and smashes it, allowing you to only shovel half of the dirt you're used to shoveling. Everyone around you keeps saying things like "this guy sucks at shoveling" even though you're working with half of a shovel. It's not fair, but that's the job of a shoveler. You get the glory when you shovel like the ****ens, you get the blame when you shovel less dirt and fewer holes. That's why you get paid all that money.

A year later, you've got almost a whole entire shovel, but your boss is making you shovel lefty. You're a righty. This is hard. You shovel your butt off lefty, but you're not shoveling as effectively as you would be shoveling if you could just shovel righty. Nevertheless, the shoveling critics are everywhere. This guy just can't shovel too good, they mutter with disgust.

But really, you might be pretty good at shoveling. And you're doing the best you can.

Anyway, as a shoveler, you might still be good ... but you're just in an unfortunate scenario.
 
With even an ancient Aaron Rodgers healthy, he’s the worst quarterback in the AFC East. Again, I’ll repeat that: Even with a state of the art shovel, he’s the worst quarterback in the AFC East (among starters). That’s not including the Conference, that’s not including the League.

Outside of the AFC East, you have Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun, Cousins, Tua, and Janeane Garoppolo. That’s just our Conference.

We sound like these crap teams we watched with laughter for decades trying to believe in their bad quarterback until finally moving on.
Mac Jones is at the bottom of any legitimate “power ranking list” getting outshined by Baker Mayfield. I just do not understand the aggressive defense of this dude.
 
I'll let Hurley break it down for you:

Let's play the comparison game. Let's say your job is ... digging holes. That's your life's work. You've got a shovel, and you dig holes. You were awesome at hole-digging in college, so you got a big shoveling job after graduating. One year, your boss takes your shovel and smashes it, allowing you to only shovel half of the dirt you're used to shoveling. Everyone around you keeps saying things like "this guy sucks at shoveling" even though you're working with half of a shovel. It's not fair, but that's the job of a shoveler. You get the glory when you shovel like the ****ens, you get the blame when you shovel less dirt and fewer holes. That's why you get paid all that money.

A year later, you've got almost a whole entire shovel, but your boss is making you shovel lefty. You're a righty. This is hard. You shovel your butt off lefty, but you're not shoveling as effectively as you would be shoveling if you could just shovel righty. Nevertheless, the shoveling critics are everywhere. This guy just can't shovel too good, they mutter with disgust.

But really, you might be pretty good at shoveling. And you're doing the best you can.

Anyway, as a shoveler, you might still be good ... but you're just in an unfortunate scenario.
This analogy kinda sucks because the play caller/receivers/linemen aren't just inanimate objects to be manipulated by the Quarterback. They benefit from good QB play/are negatively impacted by poor QB play as much as the other way around. They aren't there just to serve the Quarterback, they all have to work in sync. This framing actually explains a lot of the "Mac, the martyr" mindset.
 
The simple fact of the matter is, Mac Jones hasn’t done jack **** to warrant some fans undying loyalty to him like they’re on his pay roll or something. This is a team that hangs six banners above its field.

It’s okay to say Mac Jones sucks. There’s a really, really, REALLY long list of NFL starting quarterbacks that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would say they would prefer over him, so why he warrants such an aggressive defense from some people is legit beyond me.
Jones doesn't suck. The draft profile on him has been kinda spot on actually. High floor, low ceiling. A guy you might be able to win with if you give him a lot of talent to work with... talent that we don't have much of right now.
 
Jones doesn't suck. The draft profile on him has been kinda spot on actually. High floor, low ceiling. A guy you might be able to win with if you give him a lot of talent to work with... talent that we don't have much of right now.
Awesome. When is he gonna’ be good? In ten years?
 
With even an ancient Aaron Rodgers healthy, he’s the worst quarterback in the AFC East. Again, I’ll repeat that: Even with a state of the art shovel, he’s the worst quarterback in the AFC East (among starters). That’s not including the Conference, that’s not including the League.

Outside of the AFC East, you have Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun, Cousins, Tua, and Janeane Garoppolo. That’s just our Conference.

We sound like these crap teams we watched with laughter for decades trying to believe in their bad quarterback until finally moving on.
Mac Jones is at the bottom of any legitimate “power ranking list” getting outshined by Baker Mayfield. I just do not understand the aggressive defense of this dude.
What do all those QB's you listed have that Mac doesn't? Legitimate playmakers catching the ball and in most cases a competent, cohesive (not to mention healthy) OL. They also benefited from not having Phat Matt calling in plays for a whole season.

You want to dump Mac. Sure. But, mark my words, he will be signed in an instant and if he's on a team that can draft and develop players on offense, he will find success in this league.
 
Awesome. When is he gonna’ be good? In ten years?
A guy who scouts called "low ceiling" will probably never be "good" the way the current roster needs him to be...good enough to make a team better.
 
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With even an ancient Aaron Rodgers healthy, he’s the worst quarterback in the AFC East. Again, I’ll repeat that: Even with a state of the art shovel, he’s the worst quarterback in the AFC East (among starters). That’s not including the Conference, that’s not including the League.

Outside of the AFC East, you have Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun, Cousins, Tua, and Janeane Garoppolo. That’s just our Conference.

We sound like these crap teams we watched with laughter for decades trying to believe in their bad quarterback until finally moving on.
Mac Jones is at the bottom of any legitimate “power ranking list” getting outshined by Baker Mayfield. I just do not understand the aggressive defense of this dude.
Because he's all there is right now. People act like there are better options readily available. There just aren't.
 
Yeah it's not like there's an alternative right now. Corral is AWOL. We know Zappe ain't it. Cunningham is a longshot project that the team thinks can become a WR.

The Pats could crater the season and a viable alternative might be gettable in the draft, or they could pay a draft fortune to move up and get someone. Which means we're back to April 2021. BB would not survive that scenario as HC so we'd need someone to replace him as well.
 
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I'll let Hurley break it down for you:

Let's play the comparison game. Let's say your job is ... digging holes. That's your life's work. You've got a shovel, and you dig holes. You were awesome at hole-digging in college, so you got a big shoveling job after graduating. One year, your boss takes your shovel and smashes it, allowing you to only shovel half of the dirt you're used to shoveling. Everyone around you keeps saying things like "this guy sucks at shoveling" even though you're working with half of a shovel. It's not fair, but that's the job of a shoveler. You get the glory when you shovel like the ****ens, you get the blame when you shovel less dirt and fewer holes. That's why you get paid all that money.

A year later, you've got almost a whole entire shovel, but your boss is making you shovel lefty. You're a righty. This is hard. You shovel your butt off lefty, but you're not shoveling as effectively as you would be shoveling if you could just shovel righty. Nevertheless, the shoveling critics are everywhere. This guy just can't shovel too good, they mutter with disgust.

But really, you might be pretty good at shoveling. And you're doing the best you can.

Anyway, as a shoveler, you might still be good ... but you're just in an unfortunate scenario.
Someone is shoveling a steaming pile of bullshi#
This idea that no one can evaluate Mac as a qb this far into his role as a starter because his team is subpar is not true. We have not really even seen flashes where you say this kid could be something special.

He does not have “it” and he has had his chances

The excuses for him do not hold water. Its not his fault but he is who he appears to be
 
Someone is shoveling a steaming pile of bullshi#
This idea that no one can evaluate Mac as a qb this far into his role as a starter because his team is subpar is not true. We have not really even seen flashes where you say this kid could be something special.

He does not have “it” and he has had his chances

The excuses for him do not hold water. Its not his fault but he is who he appears to be
How about this water:

 
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