JETS SUCK 2023 EDITION (JOKER CERTIFIED): HARD KNOCKERS

[Boomer B]

Sucks that anyone gets injured, but this is the most JETE thing ever.

 

[Bill Lee]

I know there are a couple people on here that listen to the Around the NFL podcast and know that the main host, Dan Hanzus, is a huge Jets homer and a huge Patriots basher. He has openly reveled in any small failure that came upon us in the Brady era and gleefully recaps every loss in the post-Brady era. Hanzus also did a Hard Knocks recap podcast after each episode over the summer and gushed about how great the Jets are going to be and how they are going to win the Super Bowl. Currently I am listening to the Around the NFL recap podcast of last night listening to him completely devastated and I can't help but smile.

You might be exaggerating a bit, but yes indeed he did predict the Jets would win this year's Super Bowl and when challenged he only leaned in harder.

I did not listen to any of the ATN Hard Knocks episodes, I knew they would be unsufferable with the Jets being featured and as Dan as host.

I think Dan's biggest sin is taking on Giants fandom just to try to stick it to Pats fans. He could give a **** less about the Giants but he needs some way to feel less bad about being stuck as a part of the ****tiest fan base in sports so he struts around wearing the colors of an enemy. It's a bad, bad look.

 

[Patsfan1958]

WOW!!!! I got to get some lottery numbers from this guy!! He predicted at 6:01 PM last night that Rodgers was going to tear his Achilles!!

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[Bill Lee]

WOW!!!! I got to get some lottery numbers from this guy!! He predicted at 6:01 PM last night that Rodgers was going to tear his Achilles!!

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I definitely had Rodgers not lasting the season behind that OL, I quoted the posts last night.

I did not have him going down in the first four plays on the first offensive possession though.

EDIT: In my head, the over/under was about four games.

 

[Bill Lee]

This, or it's just another day in the life of a Jete Fan...

 

[Bill Lee]

Par for the course.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving fan base.

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

That draft day trade down with the Squealers is looking even better now.

 

[jdlboot14]

People need to start talking about the Bills too.
Is Josh continuing his regression? Can he be fixed?
Also, poor Harris only had 3 touches.
But they don't have a super talented skill group. Diggs is great. Knox is pretty good. But no one else is anything but average.
We're suddenly looking very competitive with the Jets & Bills.
Who knows, the Dolphins might end up being the most complete team in the division??

 

[slam]

Tomorrow is the 24th anniversary of Vinnie T. going down to an Achilles injury in the first half of the first game of a Jets team with championship aspirations.

 

[slam]

That draft day trade down with the Squealers is looking even better now.

It's the long game with Bill.

 

[mgcolby]

Whatever helps you sleep at night chief. Don't forget to @ me if you want to call me out.

And who on earth would want Zappy Smurf in a trade?

Teams have had multiple weeks to sign him for nothing and to at one point claim him off waivers. Neither happened. No one is trading a bologna sandwich for the guy.

 

[Tunescribe]

Rodgers has had lower-leg/calf issues going back to at least 2014 and including his first practices with the Jete. Blowing his Achilles might not be a random fluke and could owe to lax strength/flexibility conditioning. We all know the Jete offseason program is historically poor.

Calf injury doesn't keep Aaron Rodgers out

Aaron Rodgers' calf injury did not prevent him from throwing on Tuesday, but it remained unclear how well he could move.

www.espn.com

Aaron Rodgers isn’t ready yet for full Jets practice after calf tweak

The Jets won’t see new quarterback Aaron Rodgers at practice for a little while longer.

nypost.com

 

[Wax Frog]

Seems to me that a lot of people here claim to absolutely hate the Jest.
But they don't really.

Me:

 

[Bill Lee]

The implications for da Jete are even worse than I thought.

He's already been paid most of his money for 2023 ($35M as a lump-sum bonus) and he has a similar payment due in 2024 (also $35M lump-sum bonus) fully guaranteed.

Clearly he's not going to retire and pass up on that, he'll come back to camp next year at least long enough to get that check.

The numbers more or less presume that he's playing not just this this year and next, but also you can make a strong case that da Jete really need him to play and restructure in 2025 as well:

Those final two years mean that Rodgers will have leverage in 2025 to try and get a new deal. He will be 42 by then, but with the prospect of $86.5 million hanging over the Jets across two years, they may very well be willing to offer him another deal.

The signing and option bonuses mean it will be close to impossible for the Jets to move on. They would have $66.161 million in dead money if they moved on ahead of 2024. There would then be $49 million in dead money if they released him in 2025. Although, that would represent a saving of $2.5 million from his cap number.

Ultimately, the decision for the Jets in 2025 will likely be the following:

1) Extend Rodgers’ contract, pushing the salary cap pain into the future.
2) Release him in 2025, saving $37.5 million in cash, but having him count $49 million against the salary cap.
3) Play out the deal at a cost of $51.5 million in 2025, with a further dead money hit of $35 million in 2026.

Aaron Rodgers’ Contract Details, Salary Cap Impact, Bonuses, and Net Worth

What is the structure of Aaron Rodgers' contract, what is his salary-cap impact, and what options do the Jets have for the future?

www.profootballnetwork.com

Keep in mind the cap hit we had for TB12 when he left for Tampa was $35M and Tampa has the same $35M right now, and such a hit really makes it next to impossible to build a good team. Da Jete are looking at a hit at least that big, if not bigger.

In short, da Jete are ****ed. Everywhere they look is pain. They really made a huge commitment to the 40 year old Rodgers, and chances look grim that he's going to be able to play at a high level going forward after he rehabs from this major injury.

 

[slam]

Remember when everybody was so impressed that Rodgers “settled for less” with the Jets and that free agents would flock there to play with him?

The Jets have tried pretty much every avenue possible to obtain a franchise QB. They took big swings unlike the recent Colts, Broncos, Commanders, and Panthers. They’ve just been held back by the fact that they’re the Jets and they don’t deserve nice things.

 

[Bill Lee]

Remember when everybody was so impressed that Rodgers “settled for less” with the Jets and that free agents would flock there to play with him?

The Jets have tried pretty much every avenue possible to obtain a franchise QB. They took big swings unlike the recent Colts, Broncos, Commanders, and Panthers. They’ve just been held back by the fact that they’re the Jets and they don’t deserve nice things.

I think as usual they've been held back by their stupidity. They used their resources on shiny new things that look great on the back pages of the tabloids, such as Aaron Rodgers, his binkies Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard, flashy players like Mecole Hardman and Dalvin Cook, but nothing other than some draft capital and old vets for their OL. This is what has led to their downfall. They knew after last season they had huge question marks on OL but didn't do much if anything to improve it, and now they're paying the price.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[203Pat]

You might be exaggerating a bit, but yes indeed he did predict the Jets would win this year's Super Bowl and when challenged he only leaned in harder.

I did not listen to any of the ATN Hard Knocks episodes, I knew they would be unsufferable with the Jets being featured and as Dan as host.

I think Dan's biggest sin is taking on Giants fandom just to try to stick it to Pats fans. He could give a **** less about the Giants but he needs some way to feel less bad about being stuck as a part of the ****tiest fan base in sports so he struts around wearing the colors of an enemy. It's a bad, bad look.

The ATN Hard Knocks episodes were brutal. I did about 2 and half before I stopped listening to them. I agree on Dan using the Giants success against Gregg/The Patriots is pretty embarrassing for him. The Jets are the little brother in their own city. They play in the Giants stadium (I don't care what they call it) and Dan even said before that his dad absolutely hates the Giants and the fact that so many people think the Jets are little brother so it's somewhat odd he uses that as ammo but I guess what else does he have?

 

[Bill Lee]

The ATN Hard Knocks episodes were brutal. I did about 2 and half before I stopped listening to them. I agree on Dan using the Giants success against Gregg/The Patriots is pretty embarrassing for him. The Jets are the little brother in their own city. They play in the Giants stadium (I don't care what they call it) and Dan even said before that his dad absolutely hates the Giants and the fact that so many people think the Jets are little brother so it's somewhat odd he uses that as ammo but I guess what else does he have?

Indeed. ATN has a Reddit page I post to from time to time under a different alias. I made a recent post saying I think their last three podcasts before the season started were not great. What I wrote was that they are often too self-referential, they are breathing their own exhaust a lot. The really could use a fourth person in the Wes role, a strong analyst who keeps Dan and Marc from diving into the mirth and hot takes too much.

If not that, having a new producer in their traditional role would help add some fresh air to the room. I think they feel burned after the NFL laid off their last producer (and seemingly suffered some internal blow back for promoting the last one so much?). They seem to be afraid to engage the new producer to the degree they have done with the last several. The new guy got some prominence for slicing his thumb, and a bit for his Bills fandom, but seems to get a much smaller role than other earlier producers.

Yet I really liked their Sunday night recap, it felt like old days again. There was enough interesting real football to talk about so the "bits" were a lot less prominent like they should be. I'm glad their careers are doing well, but there is a concept of saturation, too much of a good thing.