Patriots Player Departure Official 2023 Patriots Roster Cutdown Thread (final roster in opening post)

[captain stone]

Roberts isn't injured, not is J. Andrews to our knowledge.

Nor is Wade, to my knowledge...

 

[State]

I’m glad S Wade wasn’t cut.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Anderson practiced today according to reports. Plus, he would have missed 4 games if he stayed on the NFI list. Why activate him from the NFI then to just put him on IR and have to expose a player to waivers in the process?

Good point.

But this way they actually get to kick the tires and see if he can play. If it turns out he's not fully recovered then they could put him on IR sometime in the next few weeks, but if he's good to go, he's useful to have now.

But I agree an immediate IR now doesn't make much sense.

 

[DaBruinz]

No I understand that but after 3 games they will need to promote to 53 . So expect those elevations to happen somewhere around 5th to 6th week.

No. They don't HAVE to promote them to the 53 after 3 games. They only have to promote them if they want them to play again.

There will likely be elevations the 1st week. Just like last year. Whether those elevations suit up is another story.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's true, unfortunately... Yet some people claim that we're "fine" at CB...

We are fine at CB. You don't understand that Bryant is at the end of the roster. You never have. Contrary to LD, only reason that Bryant is still around is because of Isaiah Bolden's injury.

 

[DaBruinz]

Straight to IR candidates: Anderson, J. Andrews, TT, Wade, Roberts.
That will make room for a legit vet QB2, RB3 (could be MonTy/JJ return), and a 3rd TE.

You can't have players who aren't injured go to the IR. Seriously. Where are you getting your information? The Magic 8-ball?

Anderson literally just came off NFI. They can't put him on the IR just because. In fact, they'd have just left him on the NFI if he wasn't ready.

Where did you hear that J. Andrews, Wade and Roberts were injured? I've heard ZILCH.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

I think the most incredible thing here is that they had 12 draft picks, they actually USED all 12 picks, and then 11 of those players actually made the 53! And the only guy who didn’t, Bolden, was the final draft pick in the 7th round who was also trending towards making the roster but went to IR due to a freak concussion.

If you told me in the early spring that the Pats would have that many picks, use ‘em all, and then have all but the final one make the roster I would’ve never believed it.

That's a discussion is started. Accentuate the positive and weed out the negative.

 

[Grogan14]

I think Bill may be trying to take advantage of newer PS rules and new emergency QB rules

He may believe and (I agree with him) that Zappe and Malik on the PS may allow him to keep an extra 2 players on the 53 man roster at least for the first 3 weeks.
If Zappe and Cunningham are not claimed on waivers and they agree to go to Patriots PS, In theory Bill can promote MAC from PS to active 53 as backup QB up to 3 times and then send him back to PS without losing the spot on the 53 man roster.
Cunningham, while on PS can be designated as "emergency QB" without taking up a roster spot.
Thus by getting these 2 QB's on PS instead of keeping them on the 53, it allows Bill to keep 2 extra players on the 53 man roster and or use 2 spots on the initial 53 roster to subsequently designate 2 players as IR with option to return.


It would be another big surprise if anyone claims Zappe onto their 53 man roster (after the terrible preseason he had which all team pro personnel directors are likely familiar with)...but if Zappe is pissed at Patriots and some other team offers him a PS spot...maybe he takes it?

Cunningham will probbaly not be taken either onto anyones 53 man roster, but multiple other teams could offer him a PS spot, because he would be an excellent scout team qb to help teams prepare for mobile QB. But I believe Cunningham is likely yo take a spot on Pats PS.


The risk for Bill...is neither of the 2 QB's makes it to practice squad (in which case he signs a UFA qb)
Upside is it provides more flexibility with initial 53 man roster maneuvering

 

[Lagaffe_07]

We are fine at CB. You don't understand that Bryant is at the end of the roster. You never have. Contrary to LD, only reason that Bryant is still around is because of Isaiah Bolden's injury.

I disagree I think he would have made the roster regardless. Bill loves him and he actually is one of our best zone defenders. They need to avoid putting him in man coverage too often. I think he is a strong candidate to play in the McCourty role.

In my view, if Bolden wasn’t injured they would have cut Speed instead

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

I think Bill may be trying to take advantage of newer PS rules and new emergency QB rules

He may believe and (I agree with him) that Zappe and Malik on the PS may allow him to keep an extra 2 players on the 53 man roster at least for the first 3 weeks.
If Zappe and Cunningham are not claimed on waivers and they agree to go to Patriots PS, In theory Bill can promote MAC from PS to active 53 as backup QB up to 3 times and then send him back to PS without losing the spot on the 53 man roster.
Cunningham, while on PS can be designated as "emergency QB" without taking up a roster spot.
Thus by getting these 2 QB's on PS instead of keeping them on the 53, it allows Bill to keep 2 extra players on the 53 man roster and or use 2 spots on the initial 53 roster to subsequently designate 2 players as IR with option to return.


It would be another big surprise if anyone claims Zappe onto their 53 man roster (after the terrible preseason he had which all team pro personnel directors are likely familiar with)...but if Zappe is pissed at Patriots and some other team offers him a PS spot...maybe he takes it?

Cunningham will probbaly not be taken either onto anyones 53 man roster, but multiple other teams could offer him a PS spot, because he would be an excellent scout team qb to help teams prepare for mobile QB. But I believe Cunningham is likely yo take a spot on Pats PS.


The risk for Bill...is neither of the 2 QB's makes it to practice squad (in which case he signs a UFA qb)
Upside is it provides more flexibility with initial 53 man roster maneuvering

You've never sounded this coherent when it comes to football.
Did you just reveal yourself as an actual Pats fan? I think you wrote this for a different account? Ids this how we troll now?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The kicker and tight ends were brutal misses but overall that’s one of Bill’s best drafts in a while.

Agreed. I think 2022 and 2023 are better drafts. 2021 will be interesting with Mac, Barmore, and Stevenson. At least the last four years have had some good results unlike 2019 and a few years before that.

Zeigler was promoted in 2020. Wolf also joined in 2020. Caserio left before the 2021 draft. Zeigler left for the Raiders in 2022 so Groh was promoted in 2022. Now Wolf works for Groh.

Kraft said the Pats changed their draft approach before the 2021 draft when Caserio left. It looks like a change in approach in 2021, and forming the Groh and Wolf team in 2022, were good things. The drafts started improving in 2020 and the biggest change that year was hiring Wolf.

Was the drafting improvement due to hiring Wolf in 2020? Or changing the approach in 2021? Or promoting Groh in 2022? All of the above?

 

[Froob]

Wouldn’t be surprised if we signed Myles Gaskin, has killed us in the past.

 

[ralmat55]

I think Bill may be trying to take advantage of newer PS rules and new emergency QB rules

He may believe and (I agree with him) that Zappe and Malik on the PS may allow him to keep an extra 2 players on the 53 man roster at least for the first 3 weeks.
If Zappe and Cunningham are not claimed on waivers and they agree to go to Patriots PS, In theory Bill can promote MAC from PS to active 53 as backup QB up to 3 times and then send him back to PS without losing the spot on the 53 man roster.
Cunningham, while on PS can be designated as "emergency QB" without taking up a roster spot.
Thus by getting these 2 QB's on PS instead of keeping them on the 53, it allows Bill to keep 2 extra players on the 53 man roster and or use 2 spots on the initial 53 roster to subsequently designate 2 players as IR with option to return.


It would be another big surprise if anyone claims Zappe onto their 53 man roster (after the terrible preseason he had which all team pro personnel directors are likely familiar with)...but if Zappe is pissed at Patriots and some other team offers him a PS spot...maybe he takes it?

Cunningham will probbaly not be taken either onto anyones 53 man roster, but multiple other teams could offer him a PS spot, because he would be an excellent scout team qb to help teams prepare for mobile QB. But I believe Cunningham is likely yo take a spot on Pats PS.


The risk for Bill...is neither of the 2 QB's makes it to practice squad (in which case he signs a UFA qb)
Upside is it provides more flexibility with initial 53 man roster maneuvering

The emergency QB rule requires the emergency QB be on the 53 man roster.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think Bill may be trying to take advantage of newer PS rules and new emergency QB rules

He may believe and (I agree with him) that Zappe and Malik on the PS may allow him to keep an extra 2 players on the 53 man roster at least for the first 3 weeks.
If Zappe and Cunningham are not claimed on waivers and they agree to go to Patriots PS, In theory Bill can promote MAC from PS to active 53 as backup QB up to 3 times and then send him back to PS without losing the spot on the 53 man roster.
Cunningham, while on PS can be designated as "emergency QB" without taking up a roster spot.
Thus by getting these 2 QB's on PS instead of keeping them on the 53, it allows Bill to keep 2 extra players on the 53 man roster and or use 2 spots on the initial 53 roster to subsequently designate 2 players as IR with option to return.

It would be another big surprise if anyone claims Zappe onto their 53 man roster (after the terrible preseason he had which all team pro personnel directors are likely familiar with)...but if Zappe is pissed at Patriots and some other team offers him a PS spot...maybe he takes it?

Cunningham will probbaly not be taken either onto anyones 53 man roster, but multiple other teams could offer him a PS spot, because he would be an excellent scout team qb to help teams prepare for mobile QB. But I believe Cunningham is likely yo take a spot on Pats PS.

The risk for Bill...is neither of the 2 QB's makes it to practice squad (in which case he signs a UFA qb)
Upside is it provides more flexibility with initial 53 man roster maneuvering

Great post. So one, or two, of the OL will go to the PS after week 3 and Zappe will be promoted to the 53? Great theory. Some clever intelligence leaking into your posts - be careful with that.

I think both Zappe and Cunningham were at practice Tuesday? Makes it seem like they are not pissed off. But if they were told before practice and cut after practice, they had to go to practice per their contract.

 

[Ross12]

The emergency QB rule requires the emergency QB be on the 53 man roster.

Yeah unfortunately that theory does not hold up. However it’s entirely possible Bill may still call up Zappe from the PS for two weeks the traditional way. But then he would eventually have to put him on the roster after that, or find someone else.

 

[chasa]

Yeah unfortunately that theory does not hold up. However it’s entirely possible Bill may still call up Zappe from the PS for two weeks the traditional way. But then he would eventually have to put him on the roster after that, or find someone else.

He'll sign one of the QB's once trey hits Partial IR and frees up the roster spot.

 

[jdlboot14]

Roberts isn't injured, not is J. Andrews to our knowledge.

Reiff, Anderson and TT are the obvious candidates. Reiff and Anderson bring the OL down to a reasonable number.

Ya, since when does the Foxboro Flu mean actual injuries? That's why it's called the Foxboro Flu

 

[jdlboot14]

I think the most incredible thing here is that they had 12 draft picks, they actually USED all 12 picks, and then 11 of those players actually made the 53! And the only guy who didn’t, Bolden, was the final draft pick in the 7th round who was also trending towards making the roster but went to IR due to a freak concussion.

If you told me in the early spring that the Pats would have that many picks, use ‘em all, and then have all but the final one make the roster I would’ve never believed it.

Absolutely! And, it sorta counts as an UDFA making the team, since the last couple of those 11 would've been undrafted if we didn't have all our extra picks at the bottom of the draft. ;')

 

[PatsFan2]

??? What's the story on Calvin Anderson.

 

[n1997y]

??? What's the story on Calvin Anderson.

He is keeping details of his health issue private. Apparently from his comments it was really a big deal, a serious scare. He praised the team staff, specifically including strength and conditioning and nutrition as well as Coach Klemm. So he may be closer to ready to go than we’d expect, or at least that’s my hope.

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