Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

[Ring 6]

Andy I know you love to argue just to argue so this will be my last post on the topic. I googled 2019 patriot salaries and yeah holy **** was it worse than I thought. There really wasn’t much money at all, though the article I read showed 4 simple cuts like Sanu that freed up another 11 mil on top of the 25 they started with. I’m going to go really extreme and stupid to prove a point though so keep in mind I DO NOT agree with this thinking, and would have done what the patriots did, only more extreme like trading Hightower, McCourty, and Gilmore. Anyway I want to maximize 2020-2022 money so I offer Hightower a 7 year extension with a 28 million dollar signing bonus. With a 1 mil salary in 2020 his hit goes from 12 million to 5. Yeah I’m cutting him before year 4 of that contract and my future cap is messed up but I got my 2 year window so who cares? Do the same with Thuney, McCourty, Gilmore, Mason, etc and you could easily create enough space to sign 2-3 offensive play makers. THAT‘s how you “just borrowed from the future”

Sanu wasn’t on the 2020 Patriots. They did not have 25 million in 2020. Can you link the article that says they did?
You want to give a 7 year contract to a guy who played 1 more season? Really?
You are making up a bunch of bad decisions most of which wouldn’t even work, thuney was a FA who didn’t want to sign here.
If you are saying you would have done this in 19 that’s 10 times worse because you pushed money in 20 when they had no cap space.
There is no such thing as borrowing cap money from the future.

You say I like to argue then and you first argued cap issues without numbers because you “aren’t a capoligist” then said you are “going to go really extend and stupid”. Then you use examples of players who weren’t under contract. Wow.

 

[Ring 6]

But Kraft admitted there was tension between Bill and Brady.

Look Brady doesn't hate Bill of course, and they have a great relationship right now. But Brady was saying coy stuff about "not feeling appreciated".

Even Tom Moore said Belichick was thinking of trading Brady after 2016.

So Brady leaving wasn't solely the result of them having that run.

When did Kraft say that?
Who is Tom Moore? There is one source with a fact about belichick willingness to trade Brady. John Lynch, because lynch asked for Brady and belichick laughed at him

 

[captain stone]

Apologies if already posted ...
What have you done for me lately ... ugh

So would I, in less than a heartbeat.

Anyone who wouldn't is a ****ing m-m-moron.

 

[ahmed]

By the way, BBs terms were, in 2019 he gave Brady a contract that increased his 2019 salary by $8,000,000 and paid him $30,000,000 in 2020 and $32,000,000 in 2021. Brady wanted the years to be voidable and the franchise tag waived if he chose to leave. So belichick terms were 2/62 plus 8 mill for the hell of it which you appear to consider one year below market deals for a guy who left and got the same 2 years for 12 million less. Your imagination is faulty.

Nope - that contract was purely a one year deal. Everything else was for cap purposes. Brady was asking for 2/50 which insanely enough they did not want to give him.

 

[ahmed]

That is not true. Kraft spoke to Brady before he had any deal
Of course Brady had been negotiating with Miami for a year while under contract with the Patriots.

There is nothing that reinforces that other than blind speculation.
Those with their head in the sand are the ones who think Brady loves them and wanted to stay but big meanie belichick hurt his feelings. Brady was negotiating with Miami in 2019, months after playing in 4 SBs in 5 years and winning 3, and DURING negotiations with the patriots where he negotiated an out and no franchise tag. Brady didn’t want to be here. That’s the fact.

LOL - Miami happened after they did not want to give him 2/50 and he signed the 1 year deal. At that point he made up his mind he was done here.

 

[ahmed]

You say that like anyone ever wants someone not on their terms.

It’s ridiculous that Brady would be so insecure that one year deals were a problem.

There is absolutely no evidence that bb wouldn’t give Brady a 2 year deal.
Thee is evidence that Kraft asked Brady what could be done for him to stay and Brady said “nothing”

The idea that bb forced Brady to leave us fiction made up by people who are brady fans first and patriot fans second in order to fool themselves into thinking Brady loved them.

Why would Brady settle for 1 year deals at way below market value? That's a ridiculous position to have unless you were indifferent to the player leaving.

All that Kraft PR crap happened after everything went down - you know so fans like you would lap it up and not cause a ****storm.

 

[Ring 6]

Why would Brady settle for 1 year deals at way below market value? That's a ridiculous position to have unless you were indifferent to the player leaving.

All that Kraft PR crap happened after everything went down - you know so fans like you would lap it up and not cause a ****storm.

There is no evidence that Brady was expected to take one year deals.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL - Miami happened after they did not want to give him 2/50 and he signed the 1 year deal. At that point he made up his mind he was done here.

Wrong. Miami talking to Brady happened while he was negotiating with the patriots.
He did not signs 1 year deal here.

 

[Steve102]

Key word in that sentence..."had".

Tom Brady aint walking through that door as R. Pitino might say. Arguing a past you can't change doesn't seem a worthwhile use of one's time.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Ring 6]

Nope - that contract was purely a one year deal. Everything else was for cap purposes. Brady was asking for 2/50 which insanely enough they did not want to give him.

It was not a 1 year deal. It paid him 30 mill in 2020 and 32 in 2021. He chose to void it. He also received an $8 mill raise for 2019

 

[JarOfMayo51]

its our 4th year in the rebuild and who can you really say on offense anyone who can be a core piece to build around that will be here in 2-3 years? there isn't any. maybe Mac Jones if he rebuilds his value and Rham. but its questionable whether Bill would even pay them because he hates paying the market rate. Thornton looks like a bust since the patriots were looking at jets throwaways like mims

Thornton was a rookie last year in a dysfunctional offense... WAYYYY too early to be making any sort of definitive statements on him other than "Hope he shows improvement in year 2, we need him"

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

But I also think other great, HOF QBs have a significant impact on their HC legacy as well. Andy Reid was known as a great coach before 2018, but only since Mahomes did we start hearing about him being one of the all-time greats.

All time great yet was canned by the Iggles….the games a team effort. I wonder how good the Queefs would be these days if they still had oh so exciting Alex “Break those legs” Smith…

 

[h0c2000]

It was not a 1 year deal. It paid him 30 mill in 2020 and 32 in 2021. He chose to void it. He also received an $8 mill raise for 2019

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday that Brady's new deal, which bumped the New England Patriots quarterback's salary for 2019 to $23 million, includes two years that automatically void on the final day of the 2019 league year (March 17, 2020).

Tom Brady set to be FA in 2020 despite new extension

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport clarified the details of Tom Brady's new contract on "Inside Training Camp Live." The deal prohibits the Patriots from using the franchise or transition tag on the QB.

www.nfl.com

 

[ahmed]

It was not a 1 year deal. It paid him 30 mill in 2020 and 32 in 2021. He chose to void it. He also received an $8 mill raise for 2019

Talk about denial. It was the first result on Google. Brady got a raise of $7.5MM on his $15MM year contract to shut him up and make him show up to camp. That raise got him to ~$23MM.

It was structured as a 2 year extension with voidable years purely for cap reasons.

But hey - whatever makes you so sleep better at night.

Tom Brady and Voidable Contract Years | Over the Cap

Tom Brady and Voidable Contract Years | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

 

[ahmed]

There is no evidence that Brady was expected to take one year deals.

This was the offer for 2020. Of course it was a literal **** you just to make sure he does not even try to entertain negotiation.

 

[ahmed]

Wrong. Miami talking to Brady happened while he was negotiating with the patriots.
He did not signs 1 year deal here.

At no point was there any real negotionation between Pats and Brady in 2020. Their entire aim was control the PR narrative when he leaves and ensure that he does not push for a contract publicly

All of this was available with a few searches and you would have known about it that offseason if you actually followed the news instead of just pushing your head in the sand and drinking whatever kool-aid the Pats PR were selling.

Pats did not even offer an actual contract. Who does not offer a contract to a player a team wants to sign? Amazes me to no end, the gullibility of some fans.

 

[RIpats88]

The 2020 roster didn't have to suck royally, they had ample opportunity to borrow from future years and delay the rebuild while continuing to go all in with Brady. It's defensible they they chose not to go that route but they could have.

Not to mention, the roster in 2020 being soo bad, and then bill having to spend a fortune in 2021 on free agents to fill the multiple holes was more a symptom of bad roster management/drafting than anything.

Generally as guys get older and more expensive you fill those holes with young guys you drafted who can step in. But Bill's drafts had been so poor for years that the cupboard was just bare. After that "n'keal harry" year where we read Bill over-rode the scouts was when Kraft started talking about how we were "changing our draft methods" with rumors they were taking some responsibility away from Bill.

and the drafting started to get better.

 

[50-yard-line]

So would I, in less than a heartbeat.

Anyone who wouldn't is a ****ing m-m-moron.

Okay, I'm a moron in your world. No chance I'd do that unless it was a #1 pick for a generational QB.

We've watched teams with multiple 1st-round picks do NOTHING for decades. Not even middle of the pack. Coaching matters more in the NFL than in any other sport, and it's not close.

 

[203Pat]

Apologies if already posted ...
What have you done for me lately ... ugh

Even the biggest Bill honk would be crazy not to. Multiple first rounders for a 70 year old coach? Adios Bill.

 

[Ring 6]

Talk about denial. It was the first result on Google. Brady got a raise of $7.5MM on his $15MM year contract to shut him up and make him show up to camp. That raise got him to ~$23MM.

It was structured as a 2 year extension with voidable years purely for cap reasons.

But hey - whatever makes you so sleep better at night.

Tom Brady and Voidable Contract Years | Over the Cap

Tom Brady and Voidable Contract Years | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

They didn’t need to give him a raise. Making those years voidable was only in Brady’s interest. And when the deal was signed it was reported that everyone expected an updated contract before the league year expired.
Brady demanded void years and franchise waiver, as I said Brady chose to leave.