Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

[1960Pats]

Tom was 3-2 after a little over one month of playing, he had 7 TD's, 4 interceptions and five fumbles at 6 yards per pass attempt.

What happened in 2001 is Tom got better, the team got better, HOF'er Richard Seymour went from a rookie on the bench to a starter.

Tom threw one TD in the entire postseason... we don't have to rewrite history, it's impressive enough without embellishment.

They came out of the tunnel as a team and it took a team effort,

I've always agreed with it being about the team but our difference comes with placing a value on the coaching. I think the importance of coaching is way overstated. They've been teaching mostly the same things for a century+ and even when something new comes up it gets figured out relatively soon.

Now, if Bill took Brady out in 2001 and put Drew back in then I don't believe they would have won the SB. But if you left Brady in and switched to the OC I feel they could have.

I'm a firm believer in the old adage that coaches don't win games, players do. When the Pats get more talent is when they'll win.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

some great insight here, as expected

thank you

 

[1960Pats]

I agree, it wasn't just Ben. Their offensive line aged or got priced out of town, they lost a lot but they're rebuilding now. This thread is a testament to how clueless some fans can be regarding roster building, it usually isn't an overnight process.

One of the cooks at a local diner I visit is a Steelers fan. He's talking up that kid Pickett as their next QB.

Maybe we got spoiled with the way the Pats dynasty got started. The team was 5-11 in 2000, then Drew got injured in 2001, the GOAT emerged and the dynasty was off and running.

I do however think that the NYFL is a place where teams can improve in a year or two but things need to go right for it to happen.

 

[crawhammer]

This is flat out wrong.

Then who else did Bill call on Garoppolo? Name the teams.

 

[1960Pats]

Well, this thread wasn't nearly the clusterpuck I thought I'd find.

 

[crawhammer]

You are lying.

Keep denying it and we can just bump up the thread.

I remember fine. Read the post it’s right in this thread. Copy it in here and tell me I said what the other poster claimed. You won’t because you are a liar

Rather than being in someone he has no experience with he took 2 coaches that he has a long history with and trusts and felt he could make it work.

Didn’t want Someone with no experience, ok assigning two guys with no experience coaching and calling offenses. Makes sense

Is that what I said? No.

Other than you ****ed up your wording, you nonetheless emphasized experience, which Patricia had none as an OC. That was A3P's point. Yet you "understood it" when as A3P pointed out the move was predictably NOT going to work. Only even a small percentage of IBWTers and Patricia admirers like you endorsed the move. You talked up Patricia's qualifications more than anyone on the forum. It's right there in the Patricia thread for all to see.

 

[1960Pats]

Then who else did Bill call on Garoppolo? Name the teams.

Next time I talk to Bill I'll ask him for youns.

 

[crawhammer]

It's not who he threw its the distance, someone with a noodle arm can't throw a football 70 yards but you know this, you take joy in arguing, I don't, I'd rather talk about the upcoming year, not ancient history.

Ancient history? The video was made just the other day.

How far can you throw a football? Seriously you should see the arm on my 10-year-old. Are we really crowning Mac because he threw that particular pass however many yards? Mac has questionable arm-strength, as witnessed in actual game situations, so this one throw in the practice field house doesn't conclude anything.

 

[1960Pats]

some great insight here, as expected

thank you

You're welcome.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Ancient history? The video was made just the other day.

How far can you throw a football? Seriously you should see the arm on my 10-year-old. Are we really crowning Mac because he threw that particular pass however many yards? Mac has questionable arm-strength, as witnessed in actual game situations, so this one throw in the practice field house doesn't conclude anything.

Maybe the Pats should sign your kid. 90% of the posts in this thread is the past, last year is the past, I'm only interested in this year's team and what they can do. Noodle arms can't throw a ball 70 yards, but you know this.

 

[1960Pats]

Ancient history? The video was made just the other day.

How far can you throw a football? Seriously you should see the arm on my 10-year-old. Are we really crowning Mac because he threw that particular pass however many yards? Mac has questionable arm-strength, as witnessed in actual game situations, so this one throw in the practice field house doesn't conclude anything.

I'm anticipating that Mac's arm strength will improve.
What I worry about more is the effect of having a wasted year with poor coaching.

 

[sb1]

Now, if Bill took Brady out in 2001 and put Drew back in then I don't believe they would have won the SB.

Crowd might have turned uglier than what it was at the Bears game last season.

 

[sb1]

It's not who he threw its the distance, someone with a noodle arm can't throw a football 70 yards but you know this, you take joy in arguing, I don't, I'd rather talk about the upcoming year, not ancient history.

Tbh I don’t think Mac would be in the league at all if he couldn’t make a long throw in that environment.

 

[Dingleberry]

I've noticed that there's a lot of WNBA games being televised lately but there's still few fans in the seats.

The Globe is despicable.

And **** the Red Sox.

Well yeah, woke networks are going to lay out the welcome mat for WNBA. Of course. No revenue, but at least we care!

And double **** the Globe and Red Sox.

 

[Wozzy]

I've always agreed with it being about the team but our difference comes with placing a value on the coaching. I think the importance of coaching is way overstated. They've been teaching mostly the same things for a century+ and even when something new comes up it gets figured out relatively soon.

Now, if Bill took Brady out in 2001 and put Drew back in then I don't believe they would have won the SB. But if you left Brady in and switched to the OC I feel they could have.

I'm a firm believer in the old adage that coaches don't win games, players do. When the Pats get more talent is when they'll win.

It's not just coaching, coordinating is an art. Andy Reid is exceptional at offense, BB is exceptional at game management. It goes beyond coaching.

 

[Wozzy]

One of the cooks at a local diner I visit is a Steelers fan. He's talking up that kid Pickett as their next QB.

Maybe we got spoiled with the way the Pats dynasty got started. The team was 5-11 in 2000, then Drew got injured in 2001, the GOAT emerged and the dynasty was off and running.

I do however think that the NYFL is a place where teams can improve in a year or two but things need to go right for it to happen.

I think if they build up that offensive line and rushing attack they will improve, Pickett has some tools to work with and they're a well run organization.

 

[crawhammer]

They came out of the tunnel as a team and it took a team effort.

Boring. You're not saying much there. Why can't you accept or admit the quarterback is the most important player on the team? And when they're exceptional like Brady then they're even more important. Look at the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. Dan Marino is the exception. Many of them them have multiple rings. That's not a coincidence. Brady's the best, he has the most, not an accident.

Here are the 10 best starting quarterbacks in the NFL heading into 2023:

Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Jalen Hurts
Justin Herbert
Lamar Jackson
Aaron Rodgers
Trevor Lawrence
Tua Tagovailoa
Kirk Cousins

There's a chance all of them make the postseason.

Swap those quarterbacks out with the 10 worst starting quarterbacks in the NFL heading into the 2023:

Sam Howell (KAN)
Desmond Ridder (BUF)
Colt McCoy (CIN)
Baker Mayfield (PHI)
Gardner Minshew/Anthony Richardson (LAC)
Davis Mills/C.J. Stroud (BAL)
Andy Dalton/Bryce Young (NYJ)
Mac Jones (JAX)
Ryan Tannehill (MIA)
Jordan Love (MIN)

Now how many of those same teams with their new quarterbacks are making the postseason? Probably none.

 

[Wozzy]

Then who else did Bill call on Garoppolo? Name the teams.

That's not how trades work, the coach with the player doesn't "call" anyone.

The team places the player on the trading block and the free market determines his worth.

A coach doesn't go door to door with hat in hand like a beggar.

 

[Wozzy]

Boring. You're not saying much there. Why can't you accept or admit the quarterback is the most important player on the team? And when they're exceptional like Brady then they're even more important. Look at the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. Dan Marino is the exception. Many of them them have multiple rings. That's not a coincidence. Brady's the best, he has the most, not an accident.

Here are the 10 best starting quarterbacks in the NFL heading into 2023:

Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Jalen Hurts
Justin Herbert
Lamar Jackson
Aaron Rodgers
Trevor Lawrence
Tua Tagovailoa
Kirk Cousins

There's a chance all of them make the postseason.

Swap those quarterbacks out with the 10 worst starting quarterbacks in the NFL heading into the 2023:

Sam Howell (KAN)
Desmond Ridder (BUF)
Colt McCoy (CIN)
Baker Mayfield (PHI)
Gardner Minshew/Anthony Richardson (LAC)
Davis Mills/C.J. Stroud (BAL)
Andy Dalton/Bryce Young (NYJ)
Mac Jones (JAX)
Ryan Tannehill (MIA)
Jordan Love (MIN)

Now how many of those same teams with their new quarterbacks are making the postseason? Probably none.

Deshaun Watson was the best QB in football in 2020, he won 4 games on a crap team.

Brees led the NFL in passing there years in a row on a top three offense, his defense was ranked 32nd worst... he won 7 games three years in a row.

An elite QB on a bad team is worth about 4-7 wins a season.

You only look at the great teams and ignore the crap teams... then tell us to believe in unicorns.

 

[Ring 6]

Keep denying it and we can just bump up the thread.





Other than you ****ed up your wording, you nonetheless emphasized experience, which Patricia had none as an OC. That was A3P's point. Yet you "understood it" when as A3P pointed out the move was predictably NOT going to work. Only even a small percentage of IBWTers and Patricia admirers like you endorsed the move. You talked up Patricia's qualifications more than anyone on the forum. It's right there in the Patricia thread for all to see.

Bump whatever you want you are lying.

if you cannot understand the difference between “someone you have no experience with” and “someone who has no experience” you should just stop responding. The wording wasn’t wrong, you just apparently can’t read.

I didn’t “endorse” the move, I said I understood the thought process behind it. And unlike people like you instead of arrogantly telling the world how something is going to turn out in order to be the biggest complainer in sight, I choose to try to understand the reasoning and be hopeful. You chose to tear dune everything patriots and predict doom.