Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

[XLIX]

Most rebuilds look like this:

Jimmy Johnson - season one: 1-15 - season two: 7-9
Bill Walsh - season one: 2-14 - season two: 6-10
Chuck Noll - season one: 1-13 - season two: 5-9 - season three: 6-8
Tom Landry - season one: 0-11-1 - season two: 4-9-1 - season three: 5-8-1
Bill Parcells - season one: 3-12-1 - season two: 9-7

You haters are clueless...

The above post is not the flex you think it is. All 5 of your above examples show coaches who improved from year 1 to year 2, and then improved some more from year 2 to year 3.

The Patriots are in their 3rd year A.B. and going in the wrong direction.

 

[XLIX]

BB made the playoffs in year two of this rebuild. The Browns missed the playoffs for two decades after BB left.

OMFG you cannot possibly be this stupid.

The team that Bill Belichick was fired from won a Super Bowl 5 years after he left.

The city of Cleveland was eventually awarded an expansion team and it is that expansion team who has had 2 decades of failure. While the name may say “Cleveland Browns” they are no more connected to Belichick than the Jacksonville Jaguars or Houston Texans

 

[All3Phases]

OMFG you cannot possibly be this stupid.

The team that Bill Belichick was fired from won a Super Bowl 5 years after he left.

The city of Cleveland was eventually awarded an expansion team and it is that expansion team who has had 2 decades of failure.

He did draft ray Lewis, just ask him!

 

[Wozzy]

What does that have to do with anything? He was bad with Cleveland

He had them in the playoffs and had the #1 defense in the NFL. Then the owner pulled the rug out from under all their feet. There's literally an ESPN documentary about all of this... but you want to reinvent the past.

They were 5-13 before Brady took over. Coincidence?

They missed the playoffs in 2002 with Brady starting every game. You're silly.

This is simply a guess which cannot be proven

Patricia was a disaster, they had a top five defense... its a guess but an educated one.

I think he showed he can’t half ass his commitment at age 45 and be successful

He can't win without BB or Arians... is't that how your stupid logic works?

Not sure what the point of this is

Sure you do, it's just an uncomfortable truth you can't explain because it shoots holes in your childish QB magic theory.

Eli beat Tom's team twice, Nick Foles beat his team once... if your theory came close to the truth these three victories never would have happened.

 

[Wozzy]

OMFG you cannot possibly be this stupid.

The team that Bill Belichick was fired from won a Super Bowl 5 years after he left.

The city of Cleveland was eventually awarded an expansion team and it is that expansion team who has had 2 decades of failure.

With the GM BB hired and many of the players his staff hired or scouted.

Facts suck for you people.

 

[Wozzy]

The above post is not the flex you think it is. All 5 of your above examples show coaches who improved from year 1 to year 2, and then improved some more from year 2 to year 3.

The Patriots are in their 3rd year A.B. and going in the wrong direction.

It shows exactly what I wanted it to show.

And 2023 has already happened?

 

[XLIX]

With the GM BB hired and many of the players his staff hired or scouted.

Facts suck for you people.

LOL!!! So now you want to give Belichick credit for things that happened after he left, but you refuse to give him the blame for things that happened while he was there…..

 

[All3Phases]

He had them in the playoffs and had the #1 defense in the NFL. Then the owner pulled the rug out from under all their feet. There's literally an ESPN documentary about all of this... but you want to reinvent the past.

And there was A guy who turned around the franchise more successfully which you failed to mention. Winning 1 playoff game in 5 seasons is not good

They missed the playoffs in 2002 with Brady starting every game. You're silly.

True, they did have a bad track record together

Patricia was a disaster, they had a top five defense... it’s a guess but an educated one.

It’s a guess for sure

He can't win without BB or Arians... is't that how your stupid logic works?

You can say that, my logic has 2 large samples while removing one player, yours doesn’t

Sure you do, it's just an uncomfortable truth you can't explain because it shoots holes in your childish QB magic theory.

Eli beat Tom's team twice, Nick Foles beat his team once... if your theory came close to the truth these three victories never would have happened.

Still not sure what you’re talking about

 

[XLIX]

It shows exactly what I wanted it to show.

And 2023 has already happened?

No it hasn’t, where did I say it did?

All 5 of your examples show coaches who improved from year 1 to year 2, then again from year 2 to year 3. NE has completed the 3rd year A.B. and are going in the wrong direction.

Facts suck for you.

 

[Wozzy]

And there was A guy who turned around the franchise more successfully which you failed to mention. Winning 1 playoff game in 5 seasons is not good

I'm sure we can talk about the Detroit Lions with Bobby Layne and leather helmets if you want to talk about ancient history.

True, they did have a bad track record together

Why didn't Tom's magic powers work in 2002?

It’s a guess for sure

You can say that, my logic has 2 large samples while removing one player, you’re doesn’t

Your logic is that of a child in a sandbox pretending his action figure has magic powers.

Still not sure what you’re talking about

Sure you do... don't play stupid. You suggest Tom is the alpha and omega, he's responsible for the last two decades of success and it's solely because of him.

How did he get beat by an average Eli Manning twice and a career journeyman backup in Nick Foles?

Did his magic wane?

 

[Wozzy]

No it hasn’t, where did I say it did?

All 5 of your examples show coaches who improved from year 1 to year 2, then again from year 2 to year 3. NE has completed the 3rd year A.B. and are going in the wrong direction.

Facts suck for you.

If the Pats get back to winning and the playoffs this season we can safely assume they would have made it last year with a competent offensive coach. We can also say the rebuild has completed and now it's time to take the next step to playoff relevance.

Of course there will be a smattering of Brady fanboys here literally rooting for their team to lose so they can stick it to Bill.

Pathetic... in a word.

You should go root for Tampa, isn't that the team you migrated to?

The Blaine Gabbart era has begun...

 

[XLIX]

If the Pats get back to winning and the playoffs this season we can safely assume they would have made it last year with a competent offensive coach.

Once you have to play make believe to support your thesis, all you do is prove how weak your thesis really is.

BTW, if the 2022 Patriots had an incompetent offensive coach (which you admit they did), remind me whose fault that is…?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Have you seen Wolford play? If Mac isn't better than the likes of Wolford and Perkins then Volin is going to look like a genius after the season.


Seriously?? LOL! A completed pass to a YMCA receiver in the field house. You want to bet on how many 70-yard completions Mac has during the season? Even one with YAC getting most of it done is doubtful.

It's not who he threw its the distance, someone with a noodle arm can't throw a football 70 yards but you know this, you take joy in arguing, I don't, I'd rather talk about the upcoming year, not ancient history.

 

[All3Phases]

I'm sure we can talk about the Detroit Lions with Bobby Layne and leather helmets if you want to talk about ancient history.

Marty coached the browns within the same decade as Bill. You give Bill credit for resurrecting the browns, when a previous coach did it much better. Again, you brought up the browns

Why didn't Tom's magic powers work in 2002?

What?

Your logic is that of a child in a sandbox pretending his action figure has magic powers.

What?

Sure you do... don't play stupid. You suggest Tom is the alpha and omega, he's responsible for the last two decades of success and it's solely because of him.

He was the alpha, there’s a reason why they were so successful and now are not, he was a huge part of that.

How did he get beat by an average Eli Manning twice and a career journeyman backup in Nick Foles?

Did his magic wane?

His magic definitely lasted longer than the coaches

 

[Wozzy]

Once you have to play make believe to support your thesis, all you do is prove how weak your thesis really is.

BTW, if the 2022 Patriots had an incompetent offensive coach (which you admit they did), remind me whose fault that is…?

Camp starts in two weeks.

I don't know, if Kraft told BB he wanted Obie as his successor and Obie wasn't available for another year then whose fault was it?

 

[All3Phases]

Camp starts in two weeks.

I don't know, if Kraft told BB he wanted Obie as his successor and Obie wasn't available for another year then whose fault was it?

There was zero excuse to hire a guy that had no offensive coaching experience to take control of the offense and your 2nd year franchise qb.

 

[Wozzy]

Marty coached the browns within the same decade as Bill. You give Bill credit for resurrecting the browns, when a previous coach did it much better. Again, you brought up the browns

You brought up BB's record without Tom... it started with the Browns.

What?

You said Tom was the reason they won it all, he deserves all the credit. Why didn't his magic work in 2002?

What?

You engage in hero worship, like small children and superheroes. It's a childlike interpretation of football and life.

He was the alpha, there’s a reason why they were so successful and now are not, he was a huge part of that.

If he went to an NFL bottom feeder he'd be selling insurance in Encino.

His magic definitely lasted longer than the coaches

Don't dodge the question like a coward. You suggest Tom is the alpha and omega, he's responsible for the last two decades of success and it's solely because of him.

How did he get beat by an average Eli Manning twice and a career journeyman backup in Nick Foles?

 

[Wozzy]

There was zero excuse to hire a guy that had no offensive coaching experience to take control of the offense and your 2nd year franchise qb.

Nobody is making up excuses, merely positing a reason why it may have happened.

If Obie is hired as the head coach in a year or two when BB leaves, I'll assume this was the case.

 

[All3Phases]

You brought up BB's record without Tom... it started with the Browns.

His record was factual, you tried to glorify what he did with the browns, then called a guy who coached their 3 years prior “ancient history”

You said Tom was the reason they won it all, he deserves all the credit. Why didn't his magic work in 2002?

Where did I say that?

You engage in hero worship, like small children and superheroes. It's a childlike interpretation of football and life.

Huh?

If he went to an NFL bottom feeder he'd be selling insurance in Encino.

This is a guess, you’re full of guesses tonight. Not a ton of facts though chuckles

Don't dodge the question like a coward. You suggest Tom is the alpha and omega, he's responsible for the last two decades of success and it's solely because of him. How did he get beat by an average Eli Manning twice and a career journeyman backup in Nick Foles?

He’s the single most important piece to the success, you can’t really debate it

 

[All3Phases]

Nobody is making up excuses, merely positing a reason why it may have happened.

If Obie is hired as the head coach in a year or two when BB leaves, I'll assume this was the case.

More guesses from chuckles