[Edited thread title] Jack Jones arrested for possession of firearms at airport

[DaBruinz]

TWO LOADED firearms with extended mags. Why does he even need TWO?

First, it's looking like they are only "extended" by Mass' moronic definition of COMMON magazines (13-17 rounds). It's been shown that the number of cartridges in a magazine has no bearing on the lethality of a mass shooting.

As for having two firearms, people have many and there are plenty of CCW who carry two. One at the waist and one at the ankle. The reality is that he just cluged himself by bringing them to the airport. Period. It's his responsibility.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh ffs, shut up and put your hackles down.

I'm not anti-gun.

Says the guy with his actual hackles up. You should probably take a step back and look to see that I said NOTHING towards YOU. All I did was provide facts. If you don't like facts, then that's your issue. Not anyone else's.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Time. Something you dont have much off “Depends” boy

You must be in good shape this year.

Jumping back on the Bruins band wagon again & then jumping off it again.

Where will you start 2024
On or off the Bruins bandwagon?

 

[DaBruinz]

They can't be loaded and they have to be in a locked, hardsided case. And they have to go in checked baggage.

I said unloaded. And if you look later on I mentioned the other stuff. But thanks..

 

[Bruins29]

You must be in good shape this year.

Jumping back on the Bruins band wagon again & then jumping off it again.

Where will you start 2024
On or off the Bruins bandwagon?

I don’t follow the Bruins so I am not sure what you are talking about. Then again you aren’t sure what you are talking about but that is just typical of someone with dementia

 

[State]

Not true. You can be standing in line at the ticket counter to include them as part of your checked luggage. Granted, they can not be loaded at the time. But you can have them in the airport.

In a FAS-approved lock box. You are otherwise correct. But you have to be legal in the state you’re departing from and the state you are going to.

I have heard of an unfortunate situation where a plane needed to make an unscheduled landing at Newark—NJ is terrible on the second amendment—and some poor sap was arrested when he was given his checked on bag that he had been legally flying with. Except for the unplanned stay in NJ.

 

[State]

Snoop Dog is a buddy of Jack’s. All will be well. Perhaps he can hire Martha Stewart’s legal team.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I don’t follow the Bruins so I am not sure what you are talking about. Then again you aren’t sure what you are talking about but that is just typical of someone with dementia

You informed us last year that you no longer followed the Bruins.

You didn’t jump back on the Bandwagon during the 2023 season?

 

[DaBruinz]

I was referencing Kadlick's Tweet in post No. 5, not what you said, but you obviously know the requirements. My point was Jones reportedly had no gun or ammo-related permit/license/I.D. (that we know of) enabling any possible defense for his actions.

Understood.. Sorry for the misunderstanding..

 

[DaBruinz]

It's TSA has nothing to do with Logan.. strictly a federal government issue, FAA and homeland security.

Not true. He's been charged with State Crimes. Not sure about the Federal because there is no "Extended Magazine" Federal crime.

 

[Bruins29]

You informed us last year that you no longer followed the Bruins.

You didn’t jump back on the Bandwagon during the 2023 season?

Actually no. Don’t follow woke BS and diddnt follow the league for a while I am surprised I still follow the pats

 

[50-yard-line]

I mean it was intended to be well regulated. But guns on NRA payroll disagreed I guess.

It had nothing to do with England, except that breaking from England meant that we had to have a country.

And then there's the little matter of changing the word "country" to "state" in the text, which was written by Madison, a slave owner. He and a couple of others - Jay, I believe was one, iirc - insisted on it because "militia" meant something different in the south.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Actually no. Don’t follow woke BS and diddnt follow the league for a while I am surprised I still follow the pats

Actually it is surprising
I figured you would be gone when Brady left.

Maybe someone should load Waze on your phone so you can find your way to your next Bandwagon jump.

 

[Ollie]

Yes, but in the UK, you can be arrested for speaking out against the King.. As just happened recently..

Are you referring to the bloke who shouted at the coronation? That sort of thing gets really overblown over there i think. It's not like that here at all. You can say what you like as long as you aren't a **** about it. You just can't openly abuse others by being racist or homophobic and pretty much everyone here thinks that's pretty reasonable. Maybe that's why we don't kill each other as much as you guys.

 

[50-yard-line]

Farn - Could you clarify who you were referring to? 1755, the US was under British Rule.. So are you referring to the UK or the US?

He's talking about the Great Expulsion, I expect (my Mom was Acadian).

 

[DaBruinz]

Look up the Whiskey Rebellion, George Washington personally led the troops to put down the first attempt to take up arms against the government. Using your logic he and his fellow founders would have supported the right to armed rebellion.

Think of this logically. The founders had risked their lives to create a new, elected by the people (some of them anyway) form of government. There was no way they were enabling every crackpot with a grievance and a gun to take up arms against it. That was proven by their response when some did.

I know the Whiskey Rebellion. I have a relative who wrote a book on it. It had nothing to do with the right to bear arms. It had everything to do with The Federal Govt imposing a TAX. You'll also note that it was because of the Whiskey Rebellion that they updated the Militia Act in 1795.

It doesn't matter what Washington did. The point is that from DAY 1, our Founding Fathers wanted us to keep our firearms. They wanted this because they'd just finished a War with what they deemed to be a Tyrannical Govt.


“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” - Samuel Adams

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.” -Zachariah Johnson, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 25, 1788

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers p. 184-B.

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

“The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
—Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on “militia” in the 2nd Amendment

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”- Sen. Richard Henry Lee

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) and Nunn v. George (1846) also affirmed the individual right to bear arms.

Those are quotes for you from our Founding Fathers on the matter. Feel free to explain how they aren't saying that the people have the individual Right to bear arms. Same with the 2 Court Cases.

 

[DaBruinz]

In a FAS-approved lock box. You are otherwise correct. But you have to be legal in the state you’re departing from and the state you are going to.

I have heard of an unfortunate situation where a plane needed to make an unscheduled landing at Newark—NJ is terrible on the second amendment—and some poor sap was arrested when he was given his checked on bag that he had been legally flying with. Except for the unplanned stay in NJ.

NJ is another state that is notorious for implementing laws that punish legal gun owners while turning a blind eye to the illegal ones.


BTW: Jack Jones is a soon to be EX Patriot

 

[50-yard-line]

Says the guy with his actual hackles up. You should probably take a step back and look to see that I said NOTHING towards YOU. All I did was provide facts. If you don't like facts, then that's your issue. Not anyone else's.

Okay, were the founding fathers dumb?


Some were, sure. Others were not good people. As a group, they were (along with many others at the time) weary of being ruled by theocracy and kingly dynasty.
They are not deities - many of our heroes OWNED human beings (raped them, sold their kids away, etc) and treated them rather horrifically, yes?
The 2nd Amendment was fashioned as it was so that the South could maintain the slave-hunting militias. The fight between Madison and those who were anti-slavery was quite public and well-documented. Madison also wanted the states to maintain militias to prevent the federal government from having power - so little armies instead of a big centralized one.

And until Scalia, the 2nd Amendment was interpreted VERY differently than this present-day dogma. And YES, our gun laws are STUPID. Incredibly, unbelievably STUPID.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Patriots fans clamoring for more weapons.
So Jack Jones listened ... and delivered.

 

[DaBruinz]

I mean it was intended to be well regulated. But guns on NRA payroll disagreed I guess

At the time the 2A was written, well-regulated did not mean "Having Govt Oversight". It meant "Well-Maintained" or "in good working order". The reason they wanted the Militia (Aka people from 18-45) to keep their equipment well maintained is because of the issue they had at the start of the Revolution. Fully 30% of the the firearms that people showed up with were in such bad condition that they couldn't be fired safely. The other issue that they had was that they had some 10-12 different calibers of musket ball. This causes an issue in that, if someone ran out, they couldn't just turn to their fellow soldier and ask for more. Nor could they pick up another musket if theirs became damaged because there was no guarantee that their shot would work in it.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"