Im a big no on lamar jackson...

[BennyBledsoe]

You don't think the passing vs the blitz and inability to stop the run are related? They're blitzing more because they can't get to him. Blitzes create wide open receivers. Blitzes gamble on getting to the QB before he can get set because you're taking guys out of coverage and rushing the QB instead.

And when the hell did I ever NOT point out Belichick's shortcomings? I've said that appointing Patricia and Judge in a sophomore QB's season was inexcusable. I've questioned his ability to draft. I am not a Kool-Aid drinker.

AND it's not good on your part when you turn it into 'well, what about Belichick's GM skills'. That's deflecting from the point. Do better.

 

[Love The Drake]

The Patriots have made it clear they are behind Mac Jones at least for this season.
I don’t see any universe the Patriots give two first round picks
and tons of cap tied up In Lamar Jackson.

 

[crawhammer]

You don't think the passing vs the blitz and inability to stop the run are related?

When did I say that?

Also, this isn't "changing the topic" either, it's a related comment, there's no excuse for a supposed defensive genius not being able to design a defense to stop the run. With all of the great quarterbacks in the conference right now, if your defense also can't stop the run, then you're really ****ed.

They're blitzing more because they can't get to him. Blitzes create wide open receivers. Blitzes gamble on getting to the QB before he can get set because you're taking guys out of coverage and rushing the QB instead.

Send an email to Belichick because apparently he needs your explanation given he continued to blitz Lamar over and over despite getting burnt over and over.

And when the hell did I ever NOT point out Belichick's shortcomings?

I don't know. I'm not charting your posts. I wasn't necessarily talking about you specifically, I was talking about the general IBWT you, which perhaps doesn't include you, so I guess I apologize for the inference.

I've said that appointing Patricia and Judge in a sophomore QB's season was inexcusable. I've questioned his ability to draft. I am not a Kool-Aid drinker.

We check the same three boxes.

AND it's not good on your part when you turn it into 'well, what about Belichick's GM skills'. That's deflecting from the point. Do better.

As I indicated, I don't think this is a fair point on your part. You mentioned something which begged an obvious question. They're related topics.

 

[crawhammer]

The Patriots have made it clear they are behind Mac Jones at least for this season.
I don’t see any universe the Patriots give two first round picks
and tons of cap tied up In Lamar Jackson.

I would trade Mac, this year's first, and next year's second for Lamar.

 

[crawhammer]

This is a complete nonsense. It’s a team game, nobody said you could win with piss poor QB play anymore than you can win with bad line play or bad defensive play.

The Eagles won with bad defensive play in SB 52. The Chiefs just won with bad defensive play (other than the gift TD presented to them by Hurts on the fumble). They are more examples. Also, did you see Peyton Manning's performance in SB 50? Woof!

Lamar has been in an optimal situation on the Ravens, one of the best run organizations in the AFC. The Giants have been an utter dumpster fire and Daniel Jones has gone through three different head coaches in four years.

I swear, you truly belive these QB's play in a vacuum and the results would be the same regardless of coaching, team, health or opponent. It's the worst fan fiction take in all of football.

Lamar's WRs have sucked. Yet he's 3rd among active QBs in TD%. He's had more success as a passer than you're willing to admit. His career passer rating is 96.7 which is very good.

You ignored Stafford because he is an uncomfortable truth you'd rather not confront.

I don't get your point. Brady's the all time GOAT and Mahomes has been the best QB in the league since he entered it. The two of them have dominated in Super Bowl appearances. Brady with entirely different organizations. Mahomes with dogfood for WRs this season. QBs are the main ingredient to championship football.

Sure, it's really easy when running is the secondary option and opponents are focused on stopping the RB's, WR's, TE's and not getting mauled by linemen.

Boy.. I can't believe you just held that ^ up as proof of anything. Yeah... QB's should be able to run easier, their job is passing the ball.

You just don't understand what a running quarterback is. They have a dual job... passing and running.

Again how about instead of responding with the same canned cherry picked response you just wait and come gloat when Lamar succeeds in the playoffs. Really make me eat some humble pie.... I'll be waiting... waiting a really really long time... or at least until his career final wraps up. Then I'll remind you about my pre-draft analysis of Lamar, and you'll remind me about the moral victory of his 2019 MVP... as if that made my prediction any less accurate.

I'll gloat, don't worry about that. The only way you'd even consider conceding anything is if Lamar wins a Super Bowl. Otherwise you'll still conjure up something to put him down. Look, you dismiss his NFL MVP award as if it's an entire meaningless honor. Please tell me more about Mac being named as the 7th alternate to the pro bowl his rookie season.

 

[crawhammer]

@rochrist would you trade Mac straight up for Lamar? Take out the financial ramifications too for a moment. Just player for player.

 

[Guts]

Looks like Lamar requested a trade in March 2

 

[Guts]

 

[Wozzy]

I want my job to transfer me to the Hawaii branch and pay for my moving costs, unfortunately nobody wants me either.

 

[lancerman]

Sign the beast.

*idk if we should get him, I just wanted to say it. Maybe Mac10 can give his opinion on this so we can know to do the opposite

 

[ScottishPatriots]

If you're a no on Lamar Jackson you're a no on winning, Mac Jones can't win games where the other team scores 25 points or more.

That's why the Patriots don't beat good teams anymore, if you can score to even a decent level the Pats are done, they're good at piling on points against trash offenses who turn the ball over if they have to go score for score in a game played in the mid 20s and beyond they lose.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Mac Jones can't win games where the other team scores 25 points or more.

I was cautiously optimistic about how the Josh McDaniels-coached version of Mac Jones performed.

Then the Matt Patricia-coached version of Mac Jones stunk up the joint.

I think Bill O'Brien has a good chance to help him turn it around. Maybe I'm too much of a fanboy, though.

 

[Wozzy]

The Eagles won with bad defensive play in SB 52. The Chiefs just won with bad defensive play (other than the gift TD presented to them by Hurts on the fumble). They are more examples. Also, did you see Peyton Manning's performance in SB 50? Woof!

Lamar's WRs have sucked. Yet he's 3rd among active QBs in TD%. He's had more success as a passer than you're willing to admit. His career passer rating is 96.7 which is very good.


I don't get your point. Brady's the all time GOAT and Mahomes has been the best QB in the league since he entered it. The two of them have dominated in Super Bowl appearances. Brady with entirely different organizations. Mahomes with dogfood for WRs this season. QBs are the main ingredient to championship football.


You just don't understand what a running quarterback is. They have a dual job... passing and running.


I'll gloat, don't worry about that. The only way you'd even consider conceding anything is if Lamar wins a Super Bowl. Otherwise you'll still conjure up something to put him down. Look, you dismiss his NFL MVP award as if it's an entire meaningless honor. Please tell me more about Mac being named as the 7th alternate to the pro bowl his rookie season.

The Eagles won with bad defensive play in SB 52. The Chiefs just won with bad defensive play (other than the gift TD presented to them by Hurts on the fumble). They are more examples. Also, did you see Peyton Manning's performance in SB 50? Woof!


Lamar's WRs have sucked. Yet he's 3rd among active QBs in TD%. He's had more success as a passer than you're willing to admit. His career passer rating is 96.7 which is very good.


I don't get your point. Brady's the all time GOAT and Mahomes has been the best QB in the league since he entered it. The two of them have dominated in Super Bowl appearances. Brady with entirely different organizations. Mahomes with dogfood for WRs this season. QBs are the main ingredient to championship football.


You just don't understand what a running quarterback is. They have a dual job... passing and running.


I'll gloat, don't worry about that. The only way you'd even consider conceding anything is if Lamar wins a Super Bowl. Otherwise you'll still conjure up something to put him down. Look, you dismiss his NFL MVP award as if it's an entire meaningless honor. Please tell me more about Mac being named as the 7th alternate to the pro bowl his rookie season.

Again... no need for this ^ nonsensical song and dance.

Come back to me when Lamar Jackson is playoff relevant at all... he never has been.

If it happens, come back and here and let me have it... the same way I give it to you LJ truthers when he inevitably fails each postseason.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Again... no need for this ^ nonsensical song and dance.

Come back to me when Lamar Jackson is playoff relevant at all... he never has been.

what do you think about mac's playoff performance?

If it happens, come back and here and let me have it... the same way I give it to you LJ truthers when he inevitably fails each postseason.

 

[Wozzy]

I was cautiously optimistic about how the Josh McDaniels-coached version of Mac Jones performed.

Then the Matt Patricia-coached version of Mac Jones stunk up the joint.

I think Bill O'Brien has a good chance to help him turn it around. Maybe I'm too much of a fanboy, though.

No, Obie is a good coach. The Pats just have to draft well and solidify their team in free agency by week one. Put the best team possible around Mac Jones and Zappe.

Obviously they have to play well also, but I have confidence one of them will likely be the answer at the QB position. They could hedge their bets by drafting another QB in this draft. I like the look of this Tyson Bagent kid from Shepherd University. He has good size, great volume, accuracy, efficiency and could be had later in the draft... but there are other good QB's in this class.

 

[Wozzy]

what do you think about mac's playoff performance?

I think a one game sample size as a rookie is no sample size at all.

I also think he'll be smarter, stronger and the team around him better this season than the 2020 team health provided.

I also think Zappe is waiting in the wings if Mac falters, I like both guys.

 

[crawhammer]

Lamar has been asking out of Baltimore since December 4, 2022.

what do you think about mac's playoff performance?

He stunk. He threw TD passes down 3-33 and 10-47. He had 0 TDs and 2 INTs when the game still meant something. His fan club has been tripping over themselves trying to excuse away the opening drive pick by Hyde. Some nonsense about Agholor not fighting for the ball.

I also think Zappe is waiting in the wings if Mac falters, I like both guys.

Draft a WR in the 1st round and go into camp with an open competition for QB1. Whoever wins (Zappe) will have a decent WR group with Juju, Parker, Bourne, 1st rd WR rookie, Henry, Gesicki, and Stevenson.

 

[rochrist]

@rochrist would you trade Mac straight up for Lamar? Take out the financial ramifications too for a moment. Just player for player.

Sure, but I don't think either of them are winning the SB.

 

[Love The Drake]

So no chance on Lamar?

 

[JackBauer]

If you're a no on Lamar Jackson you're a no on winning

I'm fairly certain that's not how it works.