Im a big no on lamar jackson...

[Love The Drake]

In the playoffs, it is like 20% though.

Sure what is Macs playoff record?

 

[Love The Drake]

 

[varjao]

Now that the Panthers took CJ Stroud off the board (my guess) I think the Colts is a team that should go after Jackson.

 

[Le Numéro Douze]

Sure what is Macs playoff record?

Who ****ing cares? It is not a Mac vs Lamar discussion. Mac was very bad in his one and only playoff game. Mac was bad in 2022. All those things are true but should not impact how one analyzes the idea of acquiring Lamar Jackson.

It is a "Is Lamar worth the investment" discussion. I do not think he is. Heck, if you asked me if I'd pay Mac the kind of contract Lamar wants, my answer would be hell no. Mac is not a variable in this discussion. I think pretty much everybody agrees LJ would be an upgrade on Mac. Some people just prefer to go with the cheaper option and "find out what we have" than to pay a huge premium for a guy that might already have peaked. Mac does not work out? You are out of his rookie deal soon enough. Lamar Jackson does not work out after you gave him all of that guaranteed money? You are ****ed.

 

[Love The Drake]

Who ****ing cares? It is not a Mac vs Lamar discussion. Mac was very bad in his one and only playoff game. Mac was bad in 2022. All those things are true but should not impact how one analyzes the idea of acquiring Lamar Jackson.

It is a "Is Lamar worth the investment" discussion. I do not think he is. Heck, if you asked me if I'd pay Mac the kind of contract Lamar wants, my answer would be hell no. Mac is not a variable in this discussion. I think pretty much everybody agrees LJ would be an upgrade on Mac. Some people just prefer to go with the cheaper option and "find out what we have" than to pay a huge premium for a guy that might already have peaked. Mac does not work out? You are out of his rookie deal soon enough. Lamar Jackson does not work out after you gave him all of that guaranteed money? You are ****ed.

I can agree the question is does Bill believe Lamar or one of the rookies give us a better chance to win?

That should be all it’s about, teams can manipulate the cap get out of bad contracts.
I don’t think we should be scared to try to improve when the firepower in our own division has been kicked up a few notches.

 

[Wozzy]

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Michel ran hard but I’m of the belief if you are not looking at an elite running back you are not taking him In the first round.

Running back is more plug and Play to me.

Michel was elite if he stayed healthy, in 2018 had he stayed healthy he would have ranked 4th in total rushing yards on the season. In the 2018 playoffs he led every RB in rushing yards, rushing yards per carry and TD's. He dominated the postseason. He had bad knees.

The reason they took him was he could start immediately as a rookie, because he was an excellent pass blocker and they had a 41 year old QB. Chubb was a horrible pass blocker leaving college. People can poo poo this all they want, the reason Rhamondre and Damien Harris barely played as rookies was their struggles as pass blockers. This is real life football we're talking, not fantasy football. Alex Smith's leg got mangled because the coach put a RB in there who couldn't pass block because his starting third down back shagged his side piece... consider that. Pass blocking is important.... every RB drafted can run the ball.

Cole Strange is a player that has some great athleticism for the position if he can gain weight without losing his movement skills he could become a very good player.

That being said I am of the school that first round picks are franchise difference makers.
A guard, a decent running back is not a franchise difference maker selling jerseys or impacting games more than a franchise QB, a Franchise CB, Franchise DE.
If I have a shot at Lamar Jackson or Will Levis and I don’t take that to see year 3 of Mac Jones I better be damn sure I’m looking at a top 10 QB ceiling.

Cole could become Logan Mankins or Joe Thuney... and the same people will complain because Guard is not a sexy pick. I mean, it's a position that results in wins and losses, but it doesn't move the needle for the weapons possessed.

Lamar can't win in the playoffs. Levis looks decent, but I'm concerned about the number of INT's he threw. Mac or Zappe could end up better than either of them. Brady and Montana weren't great athletic specimens either.

The AFC East has gotten very strong this isn’t the same division that Bill coild
Trot out Kenbrell Thompkins even with Tom and expect to win because he is the smartest man in the room.
It takes players maybe more today than it ever has.
Problem with being the smartest guy in the room you can believe that nobody else can get one by you til they do.

I was told last year that the Jets were going to be amazing because Zach Wilson was football god who would improve and that the Broncos were going to roll over the AFC. Predictions often don't workout as planned and surprise teams appear out of nowhere.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Apparently, if ESPN is to be believed.... there have been NO offers for Lamar, not even a hint of discussion for what the Ravens want.

What also does it say about a guy who is supposedly committed to winning....that he also wants to break a team's cap maneuverability? And when he doesn't get the extreme contract he demands....asks repeatedly for a trade?

 

[Wozzy]

You can talk about stats and numbers but the facts are when Lamar plays the Ravens win 75% of their games.

He's a guy who wins 3 out of every 4 over his career.

Do we want to win in the postseason, or just be champs of the regular season?

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Do we want to win in the postseason, or just be champs of the regular season?

I'd sign up for 7/8 years of winning 75% of your games, maybe you go on a run or two at least you're competitive right now the Patriots beat bad teams and float around .500 and can't beat anyone good.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Do we want to win in the postseason, or just be champs of the regular season?

do you think we win a champ rather with mac or lamar?
i don't think either will get one
for mac we know he needs a perfect coaching, o line and weapons around him to succeed, he will not evaluate talent to another level or make plays on his own ( this is my guess and i think it's fair to assume this with the 2 seasons)
i don't think lamar will be enough when facing elite defenses and availability

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

. Levis looks decent, but I'm concerned about the number of INT's he threw.

Levis dealt with the worse OL and targets by far out of the big names. If you watched him half of the 23 he threw last year weren't exactly on the QB. Drop/tipped passes, lots of pressure, few rushers tipped his arm, one end of half heave for end zone, one end of the game same situation. Like AR15 he's got an accuracy problem not so much a decision making problem.

 

[Steve102]

I'd sign up for 7/8 years of winning 75% of your games, maybe you go on a run or two at least you're competitive right now the Patriots beat bad teams and float around .500 and can't beat anyone good.

Well, to be fair, they don't beat anyone right now. It's March 27th.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

We don't know much about Mac. He's a THIRD YEAR QB, for god's sake. A decent rookie year that was then absolutely kneecapped by a brutal second where he had absolutely no support. And NO QB can exist without good coaching and a competent offensive line. Please name me a Super Bowl winner who won with bad coaching and an incompetent line.

NFL QBs take time to develop. Tom was in his second year and had great coaching and an ideal team around him for his skillset when they won that first Super Bowl.

 

[Chevy]

The reason they took him was he could start immediately as a rookie, because he was an excellent pass blocker and they had a 41 year old QB.

Bolden made his name on being a serviceable runner, and decent pass catcher, but an excellent back to protect the QB. I can't remember if it was BB or Fears (might have even been a running back) a while back that said something to the effect of "If you can't pick up the blitz, don't expect to see the field."

 

[rochrist]

Lamar Jackson is 45-16 as a starter, taking a tiny sample of playoff games as a reason why you wouldn't want him is stupid considering the Patriots with Brady in his peak years couldn't win one for 10 years it's not that easy.

The Ravens have also been absolutely AWFUL at the skill positions, even worse than what the Patriots have rolled out at their worst.

They have special teamers like Duvernay playing key WR roles.

When did the Pats with Brady at his peak go 10 years without winning a playoff game?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

We don't know much about Mac. He's a THIRD YEAR QB, for god's sake. A decent rookie year that was then absolutely kneecapped by a brutal second where he had absolutely no support. And NO QB can exist without good coaching and a competent offensive line. Please name me a Super Bowl winner who won with bad coaching and an incompetent line.

nobody measured him by winning a super bowl or not
he absolutely has to take criticism for his performance. he made mistakes who were not related to the coaching o line or wr position. he just made dumb plays. it happens, second year, bad situation, but you can not blame only others for mac's performance.

NFL QBs take time to develop. Tom was in his second year and had great coaching and an ideal team around him for his skillset when they won that first Super Bowl.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Yeah, for a second year QB. Many good QBs go through an adjustment year. I don't think I've seen many QBs who constantly trend up. Brady's second year as a starter wasn't the best, either. This is just me reminding people you have to be patient.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I asked for help not guys that need help ...

 

[Wozzy]

I'd sign up for 7/8 years of winning 75% of your games, maybe you go on a run or two at least you're competitive right now the Patriots beat bad teams and float around .500 and can't beat anyone good.

And you think the Patriots have been this way solely because of QB play? Lamar has been terrible in the playoffs and in the regular season against superior defenses.

 

[Wozzy]

do you think we win a champ rather with mac or lamar?
i don't think either will get one
for mac we know he needs a perfect coaching, o line and weapons around him to succeed, he will not evaluate talent to another level or make plays on his own ( this is my guess and i think it's fair to assume this with the 2 seasons)
i don't think lamar will be enough when facing elite defenses and availability

I’ll take the unknown and low cost of Mac/Zappe over knowing we’ll never win in the playoffs with overpriced Lamar.

Besides as soon as you overpay Lamar the rest of your roster begins to deteriorate. Nobody knows what the Patriots two young QB’s will develop into, they’re only pretending to know.