Patriots currently projected to finish last in AFC East in 2023 by Vegas

[XLIX]

In 2019 the 49ers were long odds to make the playoffs, in 2021 the Bengals were long odds to make the playoffs... who cares? It's an indicator of nothing. Vegas doesn't know the future.

They didn’t build all those hotels in the middle of the desert by being wrong more often than right.

If the Pats have another great offseason in free agency and the draft they can write their own ticket, they can be as good as they want to be.

In order to have “another” great offseason, you first have to have one.

 

[holyredeemer]

I’m not surprised. We have a ton of holes and uncertainty on this roster. Very little depth, and not many game changers. It’s a well coached squad, and performed pretty well at times last season, but when push came to shove, they were their own worst enemy. We’re a middle of the pack squad, and the one receiver our QB is most comfortable with might not return. I get it. I don’t have a positive outlook on the team for the next few seasons either. As quite a few have said though, our feelings, and outlook don’t really matter. We’ve got free agency and the draft, roster cut downs and a ton of cap space in the future. Bill has a chance to really inject some talent onto this team if he makes some aggressive moves. Do I think that’s going to happen? Not really. That’s why we watch the games though, right? It’s football. The ultimate team sport, and anything can happen on any given Sunday. I may not be optimistic, but I am excited…if that makes sense?

 

[PowerRunRevival]

A lot of my favorite pats teams were motivated by no believing in them/being the underdog.

It is extremely early though. The odds now certainly won’t be the odds to start the season just as the odds to start the year won’t be the same as the odds mid season.

Unfortunately the Pats play in the superior conference, in arguably one of the best divisions in football. Still I think they are a playoff team next year even if many don’t.

 

[mgteich]

About this time in 2001, the very influential Pro Football Weekly's editor wrote an article listing the teams LEAST likely to get to a superbowl over the next 5 years. #1 on that list were the New England Patriots.

Who CARES about predictions that occur before FA and the draft. Who cares about prediction AFTER them. Listen, the Pats are going to be predicted to finish last in a VERY good division. It only makes sense. So would I, if I was forced to do so. But to get all upset and start bashing Bill (again) because of it is ridiculous. This fan base above every other SHOULD know how ludicrous these prognostications are, and take them all with a HUGE grain of salt.

Sure, Vegas is always wrong, Go back over 20 years to find an example.

Sometimes, I think that folks don't understand what Vegas odds mean. BTW, they are NOT a prediction.

 

[Ring 6]

New England is +6000, or 60-to-1, to win the Super Bowl next season at BetMGM. That's tied for 22nd best odds. The Patriots are also picked to finish last in the AFC East by the oddsmakers. Here are the divisional odds at BetMGM:

Bills +100

Jets +250

Dolphins +450

Patriots +600

NFL betting, odds: As AFC East improves, when will Patriots rise again?

The Patriots are no longer among the Super Bowl favorites.

sports.yahoo.com

I guess the rebuild is not going so well. Bill needs to step it up. His work as GM is negatively impacting the on field product. His conservative risk free approach is hurting the team. It would definitely help if he would hire an experienced GM to work alongside him, but maybe his ego prevents that. I hope he makes some impactful trades and UFA moves...but recent history does not give cause for optimism.
Also better come away with a top-shelf LT or RT, CB and WR from in the next 2 months...or they could be a cellar dweller for a while.

Vegas odds in March are your gauge of how the rebuilt is going?

 

[Patsgofor4]

Sure, Vegas is always wrong, Go back over 20 years to find an example.

Sometimes, I think that folks don't understand what Vegas odds mean. BTW, they are NOT a prediction.

2001 Patriots Super Bowl win.
2021 Bengals Super Bowl appearance.

Just two of many examples over the years…..not to mention that it is asinine to make predictions about an upcoming football season on March 11, or to post about Vegas odds on March 11th, unless you are about to place a wager on a longshot.

 

[mgteich]

New England is +6000, or 60-to-1, to win the Super Bowl next season at BetMGM. That's tied for 22nd best odds. The Patriots are also picked to finish last in the AFC East by the oddsmakers. Here are the divisional odds at BetMGM:

Bills +100

Jets +250

Dolphins +450

Patriots +600

NFL betting, odds: As AFC East improves, when will Patriots rise again?

The Patriots are no longer among the Super Bowl favorites.

sports.yahoo.com

I guess the rebuild is not going so well. Bill needs to step it up. His work as GM is negatively impacting the on field product. His conservative risk free approach is hurting the team. It would definitely help if he would hire an experienced GM to work alongside him, but maybe his ego prevents that. I hope he makes some impactful trades and UFA moves...but recent history does not give cause for optimism.
Also better come away with a top-shelf LT or RT, CB and WR from in the next 2 months...or they could be a cellar dweller for a while.

Yes, the betting odds are that the patriots are least likely to get hot and win the division. That isn't quite the same as predicting that they will come in 4th.

Let put in another way.

I think that the Bills should be strong favorites to win the division. Which team had the best outside chance to get hot and beat them out?

Rodgers and the jets?

A healthy Tua and the phins?

Jones and the patriots?
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We might get our #1 WR, our #1 LT, our #1 RT and our #1 CB. Perhaps, then we will be more likely than the jets or the phins to beat out Buffalo to win the division. For now, I don't think that bettors are that far off.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure, Vegas is always wrong, Go back over 20 years to find an example.

Sometimes, I think that folks don't understand what Vegas odds mean. BTW, they are NOT a prediction.

There are TONS of examples, you don’t have to go back 20 years.

 

[mgteich]

Sure, Vegas is always wrong, Go back over 20 years to find an example.

Sometimes, I think that folks don't understand what Vegas odds mean. BTW, they are NOT a prediction.

As of March 11th, more money is being bet on MIA and the NYJ to win the division than than is being bet on the patriots. Sure, I would expect posters here to disagree.

 

[Ian]

I guess the rebuild is not going so well.

Well, it hasn't started yet ... so I guess there's that...?

 

[Ian]

About this time in 2001, the very influential Pro Football Weekly's editor wrote an article listing the teams LEAST likely to get to a superbowl over the next 5 years. #1 on that list were the New England Patriots.

Who CARES about predictions that occur before FA and the draft. Who cares about prediction AFTER them. Listen, the Pats are going to be predicted to finish last in a VERY good division. It only makes sense. So would I, if I was forced to do so. But to get all upset and start bashing Bill (again) because of it is ridiculous. This fan base above every other SHOULD know how ludicrous these prognostications are, and take them all with a HUGE grain of salt.

Why people are making season predictions in March before anything has even started is beyond me. It's mind-boggling.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Well, it hasn't started yet ... so I guess there's that...?

While I fully agree these predictions in march are useless,the rebuild overall has started the season after cam

 

[Zuma]

Patriots currently projected to finish last in AFC East in 2023 by Vegas on March 11th ?​

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[Patsgofor4]

As of March 11th, more money is being bet on MIA and the NYJ to win the division than than is being bet on the patriots. Sure, I would expect posters here to disagree.

No, what many of us are saying is that prognostications prior the start of free agency are silly. We will make our assessments this summer, when there will be much more roster clarity. You used to be an intelligent, reasonably optimistic poster.

 

[Real fan 02]

New England is +6000, or 60-to-1, to win the Super Bowl next season at BetMGM. That's tied for 22nd best odds. The Patriots are also picked to finish last in the AFC East by the oddsmakers. Here are the divisional odds at BetMGM:

Bills +100

Jets +250

Dolphins +450

Patriots +600

NFL betting, odds: As AFC East improves, when will Patriots rise again?

The Patriots are no longer among the Super Bowl favorites.

sports.yahoo.com

I guess the rebuild is not going so well. Bill needs to step it up. His work as GM is negatively impacting the on field product. His conservative risk free approach is hurting the team. It would definitely help if he would hire an experienced GM to work alongside him, but maybe his ego prevents that. I hope he makes some impactful trades and UFA moves...but recent history does not give cause for optimism.
Also better come away with a top-shelf LT or RT, CB and WR from in the next 2 months...or they could be a cellar dweller for a while.

You said it.. ego.. not only players but legendary coaches have ego's too..

I go back to when the great BB became HC, I remembered hearing on the old WEEI he wouldn't had taken the Job without being named HC/GM.. he's a Parcells deciple as before he left as he famously said if they want you to cook the dinner, they ought too let you shop for some of the groceries.. lol

Piloli was a savant at his Job alongside Bill.. and Bill obviously having Brady was massive.. he was able to always construct the roster becuase of Brady..

Basically let's face it Rodgers is a jet!!
He'll make Garrett Wilson look like devante adams..

We are heavily anticipating something impactful to happen next week.. I can't see them just sitting pat not with this projection.. just my thoughts..

 

[PatsWSB47]

Why people are making season predictions in March before anything has even started is beyond me. It's mind-boggling.

I'm not usually certain where any team finishes until I see the first half of the first pre-season game........Every fan base of every team is insulted right now if their team isn't predicted to go deep in the playoffs. It happens every year since I can remember.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

When was the last time patriots were picked to finish last in their division? Maybe pre 2000?

 

[Ian]

Having the Jets add Rodgers wouldn't exactly be terrible. He hasn't been dominant against this team and nearly lost against a rookie quarterback who hadn't played a snap all season. And it's also possible Brian Hoyer would have beaten him outright. He didn't look great that day, like at all and I remember watching the 2018 game waiting for him to do something, but he seemed like he was in his own head.

The Patriots had won two out if the previous match-ups prior to last season, and three of four prior to that (Rodgers only played a handful of plays during that 35-0 blowout win:



Anyone worried about the Jets suddenly sweeping this team twice a season just because of Rodgers shouldn't be too worried, and it's probably why the deal isn't done because Rodgers knows if he leaves Green Bay and goes there, all the excuses he had are gone. The spotlight truly shifts back on him and I honestly believe he's going to fold - and he knows it. So I feel like they're waiting on him to make a decision that he's got to be really worried about making. Albeit, it's a bed he made for himself. Either way, I wouldn't be worried. Belichick has always appeared to have his number.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Having the Jets add Rodgers wouldn't exactly be terrible. He hasn't been dominant against this team and nearly lost against a rookie quarterback who hadn't played a snap all season. And it's also possible Brian Hoyer would have beaten him outright. He didn't look great that day, like at all and I remember watching the 2018 game waiting for him to do something, but he seemed like he was in his own head.

The Patriots had won two out if the previous match-ups prior to last season, and three of four prior to that (Rodgers only played a handful of plays during that 35-0 blowout win:

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Anyone worried about the Jets suddenly sweeping this team twice a season just because of Rodgers shouldn't be too worried, and it's probably why the deal isn't done because Rodgers knows if he leaves Green Bay and goes there, all the excuses he had are gone. The spotlight truly shifts back on him and I honestly believe he's going to fold - and he knows it. So I feel like they're waiting on him to make a decision that he's got to be really worried about making. Albeit, it's a bed he made for himself. Either way, I wouldn't be worried. Belichick has always appeared to have his number.

Perhaps but they still might improve their record against everyone else they're playing which can effect our playoff chances

 

[Ross12]

This is an odd one. The Jets don't even have a QB but are going to finish above both the Patriots AND the Dolphins? Seems they are making a lot of assumptions, like that the Jets will trade for Rodgers, and that Rodgers will actually be good in 2023 and not what he was in 2022, and that Rodgers will get along with Saleh, and that Rodgers won't alienate his receivers within 4 weeks.... among other things...

I recall a time the Jets acquired another aging Green Bay starting quarterback and the media was in a frenzy about how good the Jets would be due to that acquisition during the offseason. That season ended with the Jets missing the playoffs and their coach being fired.