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Yeah I have a tough time with this. He’s not a “number 1 WR” but he is a guy who plays a critical role on the offense, and has done it well, which is worth a lot. Problem is that some team(s) may offer him WR1 money which would be irresponsible to match.
I'm definitely with you - I just meant in terms of how he ranks league-wide. And you're right, what another team offers him is going to dictate whether or not they can keep him.

On the other hand, if it works out, I feel like he's so good that the Amendola parallel is sort of where you could put him. I mean if you put him on the field along with a guy who is a real threat, he's going to have ridiculous numbers, and he's also the type of guy who you want Mac to have in the playoffs. He's really an underrated player and I'd put him up at that level given what we've seen from him. He's clutch.
 
He may find himself surprised.. Edelman went through the same thing in his FA period. He's a fine player in our system, he makes great catches, he's a 1st down machine.. he may find he's valued more in NE than elsewhere... I'm rooting for Jakobi hope he stays!!
Edelman hit free agency a year too early the first time round... He hadn't really done anything beyond being a good returner at that point... he also had the rep of being injury prone... we drafted him in 2009, and he never played a full season until 2013... The Pats were unconvinced about him and signed Danny Amendola that year, as the heir apparent to Wes Welker... It wasn't until the 2013 season that Edelman hit it and showed his big time potential... and in 2014, he was still dragged down by his limited production early in his career and the injury prone tag...

Jakobi Meyers has shown progress from day 1, and every year gets better and better... teams will look at him differently than they looked at Edelman... it also doesn't hurt his chances for a big deal that there are very few quality wr free agents available this year
 
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Saw this linked above... Figured Jakobi deserved his own thread...


thats a big contract for him, but that is the market for comparable wrs...

Is that too big? Would we be better re-signing him? Or give up some draft picks and cap cash to go after trade bait receivers like Tee Higgins or the lesser talented Jerry Juedy? Any other guys that could targeted?



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15-20m dollars? If that's his price tag, I don't see the Patriots spending. Jakobi Meyres is a good WR, he's not a premium or #1 WR. I don't think the Patriots have ever paid a wide receiver in that dollar range and we had Randy Moss who got inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018!
 
15-20m dollars? If that's his price tag, I don't see the Patriots spending. Jakobi Meyres is a good WR, he's not a premium or #1 WR. I don't think the Patriots have ever paid a wide receiver in that dollar range and we had Randy Moss who got inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018!
yeah, its a big number he's projecting
 
Like Trey Flowers, if there's rumors circulating, there may be truth to it. No good team is going to pay Meyers a lot of money, so the bad team that pays him is going to be extremely disappointed when he gets erased by #2 and #3 CB's.

I'm in the minority that welcomes his exit.
I'm in that minority too won't lose any sleeping over Meyers sorry. Might make Mac 10 look for another outlets.
 
I thought that was going to happen in 2022. I think that is the optimal config. Let's see what happens in 2023.
I could see sense in moving on from Parker as well to save $6M in cap space if they can find a suitable replacement via trade such as Hopkins. Otherwise standing pat is most sensible, though Meyers needs a deal. I think they’ll need to draft WR again as well within the early rounds.

We saw Meyers and Bourne make a little magic at times as a duo in 2021 with McDaniels so there are reasons to be optimistic that they can do it again with Parker also in the mix as the main target and hopefully a second year leap from Thornton too.
 
I'm in that minority too won't lose any sleeping over Meyers sorry. Might make Mac 10 look for another outlets.
Meyers actually made Cam Newton competent, throwing to one guy, namely him. Then he made Mac look good with zero time when throwing to one guy, namely him. You want 800 yards, he'll get you 800 yards (and this year, 6 TDs. That's nice.) That's really cruddy compared with some dream, but it's absolutely a tough amount to replace. You know what a good comp would be? JuJu Smith Shuster. Yeah you could replace him. Go get JuJu Smith Shuster. Let's look how that comp stacks up. Sportrac puts Meyers' market value at 12.5M APR on a 4-year, $50M contract. They put the market for JuJu at 14.5M.

We're used to the QB who makes everybody look like an all-pro. This is a QB who needs you in exactly the right place and that's what Meyers gets you. There are glimmers of maybe-kinda-sorta-intriguingness from our other WRs, but Meyers will get you solid 2 numbers, guaranteed. When that's your top contributor, it's certainly not a "money's no object" proposition, but if you can make it happen you do. All he does is carry what there is of our passing game the last 3 years.

Can Mac look elsewhere? (1) Good question but also (2) does he have time to look elsewhere and (3) are plays competently designed to get the ball elsewhere?

We had a potential speed stable last year and could not/would not put it on the field. The one guy that wasn't broken in the aerial offense was Jakobi Meyers. I mean, that said, no that doesn't mean money's no object. But is he giving us good value compared with oh I dunno, Jonnu Smith?

But the market isn't what a website says, it's what someone will pay. If someone will strangely pay 20 mill because he's a great routerunner who mainly catches the ball, mayyyybe we let him go.
 
My problem is I will not give up that #1

We haven't picked this high in 14 years.

Tee Higgins is great but he's not worth 5 years of a rookie contract for a Pro Bowl level CB or LT.
But THKAG. Just for a little while.
 
15-20m dollars? If that's his price tag, I don't see the Patriots spending. Jakobi Meyres is a good WR, he's not a premium or #1 WR. I don't think the Patriots have ever paid a wide receiver in that dollar range and we had Randy Moss who got inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2018!
In 2023, 15 to 20 million isn’t a WR1. It’s WR2. WR1 is 30 million. Look what Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown and Metcalf got and they weren’t free agents. If any were a free agent it would have been more. Meyers isn’t Hill but he’s also not going to be paid like Hill. He’s going to be paid like WR2 which is 15 to 20 million. That’s just the reality.

When Randy Moss was here, the cap was far lower, so that comparison is not helpful. In addition to that Moss was acquired for a fourth round pick (after a down year). Then traded mid season for a third rounder. If those trades happened in 2023, first rounders (maybe multiple) would have been the asking price. It was just a different era.
 
In 2023, 15 to 20 million isn’t a WR1. It’s WR2. WR1 is 30 million. Look what Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown and Metcalf got and they weren’t free agents. If any were a free agent it would have been more. Meyers isn’t Hill but he’s also not going to be paid like Hill. He’s going to be paid like WR2 which is 15 to 20 million. That’s just the reality.

When Randy Moss was here, the cap was far lower, so that comparison is not helpful. In addition to that Moss was acquired for a fourth round pick (after a down year). Then traded mid season for a third rounder. If those trades happened in 2023, first rounders (maybe multiple) would have been the asking price. It was just a different era.
Good points.
 
I know his injury history the last 2 years but I’d be interested in Michael Thomas when he becomes available while also addressing wr in the draft. This is assuming we don’t match what Meyers will get in FA.
 
I'm in that minority too won't lose any sleeping over Meyers sorry. Might make Mac 10 look for another outlets.

Meyers is good and we should try to retain him. Saying that, he is not great, I do not think he will ever be Edelman, and I hope we do not overpay. Can Zay Flowers or even Jayden Reed replace Myers? I think so. Flowers might be better in Y1 or Y2, Reed in Y3? There will be a delay and a risk moving on from Myers, but I thought replacing JC Jackson would be tough and it turned out to be easier than expected.
 
I know his injury history the last 2 years but I’d be interested in Michael Thomas when he becomes available while also addressing wr in the draft. This is assuming we don’t match what Meyers will get in FA.
Ras-I Dowling played in more games in his three nfl seasons than michael thomas has in his last three seasons... guy doesn't need a contract, he needs a hospital bed
 
Ras-I Dowling played in more games in his three nfl seasons than michael thomas has in his last three seasons... guy doesn't need a contract, he needs a hospital bed
I’m aware of the injuries. I wouldn’t put all my chips in on Thomas as my only move as I would also build through the draft. Thomas Parker Bourne Thornton Draft pick as my depth chart.
 
I’m aware of the injuries. I wouldn’t put all my chips in on Thomas as my only move as I would also build through the draft. Thomas Parker Bourne Thornton Draft pick as my depth chart.
Thomas is very intriguing. If he is healthy, he is obviously much better than Myers. Thomas and Parker are two huge health risks. A WR early in the draft to build with. It will be very interesting what they do with #14.
 
In 2023, 15 to 20 million isn’t a WR1. It’s WR2. WR1 is 30 million. Look what Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown and Metcalf got and they weren’t free agents. If any were a free agent it would have been more. Meyers isn’t Hill but he’s also not going to be paid like Hill. He’s going to be paid like WR2 which is 15 to 20 million. That’s just the reality.

When Randy Moss was here, the cap was far lower, so that comparison is not helpful. In addition to that Moss was acquired for a fourth round pick (after a down year). Then traded mid season for a third rounder. If those trades happened in 2023, first rounders (maybe multiple) would have been the asking price. It was just a different era.
What you are really saying is that there are at most 10 NFL #1 WR's. OK. And, there are only 10 NFL #1 QB's.
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All right. But there is a market that needs to provide for 32 WR's that will be #1 on 32 teams. And there is a market that needs to produce 32 QB's who be the #1 QB for some team.
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So, yes, we can say that patriots won't sign a #1 WR. Very few teams would. Ditto for $45M for a top QB.
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So, I guess, we could re-sign Meyers for $15M and just call him a #2. That's fine with me. After all, it's only semantics.
 
pay him 15-18 per year and be done with it. His value to the patriots is actually higher than to other teams because...well...we haven't proven we can draft competent WRs to save our lives. We NEED to bring him back at a WR2 salary, and hopefully he takes a bit of a cut to stay with us as compared to whatever he gets in FA

and he might still turn into a WR1, which would just be icing
 
What you are really saying is that there are at most 10 NFL #1 WR's. OK. And, there are only 10 NFL #1 QB's.
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All right. But there is a market that needs to provide for 32 WR's that will be #1 on 32 teams. And there is a market that needs to produce 32 QB's who be the #1 QB for some team.
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So, yes, we can say that patriots won't sign a #1 WR. Very few teams would. Ditto for $45M for a top QB.
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So, I guess, we could re-sign Meyers for $15M and just call him a #2. That's fine with me. After all, it's only semantics.
Yes. There are less true WR1 than there are teams. But the real goal is to have a top tier QB and WR on a team friendly (likely rookie) contract. Justin Jefferson is the beet WR in the league. He is right now vastly underpaid. Most super bowl contenders have multiple guys underpaid relative to their free agent value.
 
If he's looking for Kirk money I wish him all the best with the Chicago Bears.















Use that money and draft capital to get a true #1
 
At some level I’m curious what the offense looks like if they just run it back with Parker as the number 1, Meyers as the 2, Bourne as the 3 and Thornton rotating in but with a real OC this time. It’s not a bad group… Parker is a weak 1 but he flashed periodically, he just needs to stay healthy.
Parker is closer to a number 3 WR with his non separating self.
 


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